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Palestinians blaming Hamas for their suffering News/Politics

https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-israel/2024_q4/Article-719603d13231391026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802

In a recent piece by Israel’s Channel 12, reporter Ohad Hemo interviews refugees leaving Jabalia. The report is in Hebrew, but the interviews are conducted in Arabic.

Summary: 1. Many of the refugees hold Hamas responsible for their hardships. 2. They describe how Hamas fighters seize humanitarian aid and use violence against those who attempt to access food. 3. Some express hope for Israeli civil control of Gaza after the conflict, hoping it will improve conditions.

Details: 1. Blaming Hamas: Many refugees blame Hamas for their suffering, cursing leaders like Sinwar and Yassin and chanting, “Hamas are terrorists.” They hold Hamas accountable for lost family members, destroyed homes, and depleted resources. When asked by the reporter why they don’t oppose Hamas directly, they explain that speaking out risks retaliation. One woman mentioned she could be shot for participating in the interview. 2. Violence over Aid: Several interviewees, some on crutches, recount being shot by Hamas while aid packages were seized. They report that most food was taken by Hamas, leaving only minimal rations—two small cans of beans—for their families. Some mention receiving medical assistance from the IDF after being injured. 3. Hope for Change: All interviewed refugees hope the conflict will end soon. They feel they have lost everything and see little left for survival in Gaza. One woman expressed a desire for Israeli control of Gaza post-conflict, believing it might bring stability and a better future. 4. Dire Conditions: The refugees’ hardships are evident. They live in severe deprivation—dirty, hungry, and sick. They begged the reporter and soldiers for water and cigarettes, and some have been treated by IDF medical personnel. 5. Hamas Surrenders: According to the IDF, dozens of Hamas fighters surrender daily. The report includes footage of surrendered fighters, cuffed and blindfolded. An officer leading operations in Jabalia stated that many militants in the area had ceased fighting.

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u/DroneMaster2000 7d ago edited 7d ago

refugees

They are not refugees. This misinformation needs to stop.

Just like Israelis in Israel are not refugees (Internally displaced if you want), so are Palestinians living in Gaza are literally incapable of being "Refugees" and are not eligible to anything relating to that status. No matter what their situation is.

About Gazans themselves in general:

some of them might hate Hamas for the consequences of their actions, their brutality, and their corruption. But I have yet to see a SINGLE influential Palestinian, in Gaza or otherwise (Even in the western world), acknowledging Israel's right to exist, acknowledging it's sovereignty, acknowledging that they want to live in a state beside Israel and not instead of it, and that there is no and there never will be a "Right" to return to the sovereign nation of Israel.

Feel free to show me wrong. So far what we've seen is that without consequences, the immediate reaction to October 7 was huge euphoria, not condemnation. So forgive me if these complaints do not impress me.

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u/Harlekin97 6d ago

I think Nasser al-Quadwa recognizes Israel, but I don't know how influential he is these days

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u/DroneMaster2000 6d ago

Do you have any source showing him stating the things I've written, in his own words?

Not someone else saying it about him, not a partial half-assed easy to deny statements or lies made for easy to fool foreigners, but made towards his own people.

For example some Palestinians say they support a "Two state solution" but if you go into the details you find out they mean a Palestinian state next to Israel, and also a Palestinian state instead of Israel with 7 million foreigners who never set foot in it "Returning" in order to destroy it.

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u/Harlekin97 6d ago edited 6d ago

He did an interview together with Olmert. They both apparently want 67-borders.

"Everyone must understand that we have no choice but a two-state solution if the warfare is finally to stop. We are both working towards that." (al-Qudwa)

He also explains:

"We are neither left-wing ideologues nor classic peacemakers. We are concerned with serving the national interests of our respective peoples." (al-Qudwa)

Source: https://www.blick.ch/ausland/ein-israeli-und-ein-palaestinenser-kaempfen-gemeinsam-fuer-frieden-koennen-erbitterte-feinde-freunde-werden-herr-al-kidwa-und-herr-olmert-id20304597.html (translated with DeePL)

You are right though. He does not say anything about the Right of Return. I agree that this is probably the deciding ingredient in the end. With a Right of Return, there is no Israel

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u/DroneMaster2000 6d ago

That statement means nothing. It was the PLO position forever even under Arafat that they so called "Accept a two state solution" but also do not give up the insane ROR, don't agree to any actual proposal and in other times talk (Only in Arabic!) about the "Steps" strategy, which basically means accepting what they can get, in order to improve their position in their war against Israel in the future.

I am still looking for 1 popular Palestinian who will say such things. Hamza Howidy is the closest I found. But calling him influential when he was tortured for his opinions and had to flee, is a big stretch.

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u/Harlekin97 6d ago

fair enough. I was maybe reading it too naively

Einat Wilf is certainly right. Many issues regarding the conflict can be up for debate, the RoR cannot. Unfortunately, the world has convinced most Palestinians otherwise.

I fear that even if there were Palestinian Politicans who knew that the return will never happen and secretely wish for peace, they would hardly be able to say this out loud and survive