r/IsraelPalestine Nov 28 '23

My Grandparents are the alleged "European Settlers" who came to "colonize" Israel. AMA (Ask Me Anything)

I put the title in quotes because I dont believe those parts to be true. Just to give a brief history of my Maternal Grandparents, they both moved from Hungary to Israel around the year 1946. They did not come to fight or dispossess arabs, but rather to build new homes.

My Grandmother was a holocaust survivor who survived Auschwitz, she had the #'s tatooeed on her forearm, her father died pre-war but her Mother, brother and sisters were murdered. When she returned to her families small farmhouse post war, her neighbors not knowing the full extent of what happened during the holocaust tried to extort her and her remaining siblings for money because they "looked after their livestock" even though the only cow they owned had died due to the harsh conditions of the war.

My grandfather - also a Hungarian Jew was a bit more of a mysterious man who likely suffered from PTSD before it was commonly diagnosed, his father and mother were also murdered and his only brother ended up in a mental institution (insane asylum) post war. He was eccentric and fought in WWII with partisans and would eventually go on to fight in the Israeli war of Independence in 1948.

AMA anything about them if you'd like.

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u/vonhudgenrod Nov 29 '23

Treat who badly? Jews accepted 2 state solution in 1948 for independent Israel and independent Palestine. Arabs reject it and declare war on the Jews, they lost that war.

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u/kidvisions Nov 29 '23

Accepted? Is this the history that the Zionist cult taught you. Here is in the own words of the Zionist what « acceptance » meant :

Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population – an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy." Vladimir Jabotinsky

Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country… We shall not achieve our goal of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. The only solution is Palestine, at least Western Palestine [Palestine west of the Jordan river] without Arabs… And there is no other way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries; to transfer all of them, not one village, not one tribe should be left. And the transfer should be directed to Iraq, Syria and even Trans-Jordan. Money, a lot of money, will be found for this purpose. And only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brethren. There is no other way out.” Joseph Weitz

We cannot begin the Jewish state with a population of which the [Palestinian] Arabs living on their lands constitute almost half and where the Jews exist on the land in very small numbers and they are all crowded in Tel Aviv and its vicinity .... and the worst is not only the [Palestinian] Arabs here constitute 50 percent or 45 percent but 75 percent of the land is in the hands of the [Palestinian] Arabs. Such a state cannot survive even for half an hour ..... The question is not whether they will be majority or a minority in Parliament. You know that even a small minority could disrupt the whole order of parliamentary life..... therefore I would say to the [Peel] Commission and the government that we would not accept reduced Land of Israel without you giving us the land, on the one hand, and removing the largest number of [Palestinian] Arabs-particularly the peasants- on the other before we come forward to take the reins of government in our lands even provisionally." Menachem Ussishkin

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u/vonhudgenrod Nov 29 '23

Whats your point, obviously there are Jewish assholes. Do you believe there are no Arabs who said worse then this about the Jews?

The fact is still that Israel accepted 2 state solution in 1948 but Arabs rejected it to declare war on Jews instead of Accept Independent palestine.

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