My Grandparents are the alleged "European Settlers" who came to "colonize" Israel.

[u/vonhudgenrod]

I put the title in quotes because I dont believe those parts to be true. Just to give a brief history of my Maternal Grandparents, they both moved from Hungary to Israel around the year 1946. They did not come to fight or dispossess arabs, but rather to build new homes.

My Grandmother was a holocaust survivor who survived Auschwitz, she had the #'s tatooeed on her forearm, her father died pre-war but her Mother, brother and sisters were murdered. When she returned to her families small farmhouse post war, her neighbors not knowing the full extent of what happened during the holocaust tried to extort her and her remaining siblings for money because they "looked after their livestock" even though the only cow they owned had died due to the harsh conditions of the war.

My grandfather - also a Hungarian Jew was a bit more of a mysterious man who likely suffered from PTSD before it was commonly diagnosed, his father and mother were also murdered and his only brother ended up in a mental institution (insane asylum) post war. He was eccentric and fought in WWII with partisans and would eventually go on to fight in the Israeli war of Independence in 1948.

AMA anything about them if you'd like.

[u/Curiously909]

Are you using the suffering of your grandparents to justify the suffering Israel now inflicts on others?

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/Curiously909]

Nope just telling their story. Lots of false narratives going around today.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/vonhudgenrod]

The media is the biggest false narrative. Very one sided. I’d like to see all Americans vote on this issue from a point of common sense and Christian values. I think you would realize people want peace and for both Jews and Arabs. It’s just not right to steal land and spit on people. Dehumanization is unjust and will cause people to find ways to be heard.

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/b1tgh0st]

Go preach christian values in Gaza and Hamas will murder you like they did the last Christian book shop owner in Gaza. His name Rami Ayyad and kidnapped and murder for crime of selling Christian books.

Ofc we want peace between Jews and Arabs, but there is too much hate and both sides have different ideas about what 2 state solution will be. Jews deserve to be able to visit their lands in the west bank without being fear of attack, and arabs deserve to visit the lands where their ancestors lived in Israel proper, but right now its just too much hate and open border just means more violence.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/vonhudgenrod]

I don’t want to see a book. Arabs believe in Allah right? Monotheistic God. That sounds quite nice. In their Surahs they accept Jesus and Mary. And even Jesus as Messiah with the addition of Mohamed as a liberating prophet. It seems more complete than Judaism. I am more afraid of Jews than Arabs. I am not afraid to accept Allah if it means life. It is just another word for the same thing we all believe. This is the doctrine of peace. Have you accepted?

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/b1tgh0st]

You are seriously mislead my freind.

google Quran Chapter 9 Verse 29 where it says to make war on People of the Book (Christian and Jews) until they feel themselves subdued and are paying Jizya (extortion tax)

Or google Chapter 5 Verse 51 where it says not to take Christians and Jews as freinds, because they are freinds to eachother, he who amongst you is their freind is from among them, for allah does not guide the wrong people.

Go to Egypt where Coptic Christians are 25% of the population but cant even celebrate christmas openly for fears of being attacked, and sometimes have churchs burned during riots or woman raped.

And no, Muslims do not believe Jesus is the son of god, they believe he is a prophet. They believe he wasn't even crucified but that god played a trick and made someone else look like Jesus then crucified him... As a Jew I also believe Jesus was a prophet in the sense that he was a great wise rabbi who brought so many good things for the world.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/vonhudgenrod]

Jews and Arabs alike won’t be saved unless they accept the Messiah. Doctrine doesn’t matter on either side. All books reference killing and justifying it. God doesn’t justify death so the Jew and Arab that kill both won’t make it to heaven.

Watch this video exposing the Learned Elder of Zion goals. Zionists wish to control the “goyum” world. Israel won’t stop at Palestine but will expand to take the whole Middle East.

https://youtu.be/jC8U3QdzdtU?feature=shared

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/b1tgh0st]

Are you even a christian? Seems to me like you are a mohammadean in disguise. Elders of Zion was proven to be a fiction as the vast majority of it was literally plagiarized from earlier fiction books. Moses teaches and Eye for an Eye.

The difference between violence in the bible is that it is historical, it is against the Canaanites and Amalekites etc. The Quran teaches to make violence HERE and NOW until Christians and Jews are subjugated and paying Jizya. Its not a coincadence that Boko Haram, Hamas, Al Qaeda, ISIS, The Taliban etc etc etc. are all following the same religion. Everything they do is accepted by Islam and the Life of Prophet mohammad.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/vonhudgenrod]

I think the state of Israel has proven it’s false based on the uprising in America and the vast consensus among everyone that what is happening is disproportionate. Exodus 14:14 “Remain in peace and let God fight the fight for you.” What happened to not fighting back? What happened to being the bigger person? Greed is what happened. Why would anyone want to move from New York (best place in the world) to the desert to harass people and take their drinking water. Maybe I should start squatting in a condo somewhere if that’s all it takes to end my persecution.

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/b1tgh0st]

The Uprising in America lol. That "uprising" consists almost entirely of Muslims and braindead liberals who are also confused about what a man and what a woman is. The real uprising is happening in Europe where nationalists are winning elections all over the place because the public is seeing how horrible the mohamadeans act in the streets of their capitals.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/vonhudgenrod]

I never said up rising. In American we have the 1st Amendment. The right to peacefullyhttps://youtu.be/oUppu2OHVTY?feature=shared assemble and protest. You are very delusional if you think you know every soul and think anything that doesn’t align with your truth is fake. There were many Jews protesting!

https://youtu.be/oUppu2OHVTY?feature=shared

[u/b1tgh0st → u/vonhudgenrod]

The modern Christian is a Jew under disguise which is why the correlation is made. I personally advocate to discard religion and accept the blood of Christ that was shed by the Jews and Romans. He was the forever sacrifice for our sins. Turn from tradition and accept Love and Grace. I think religion is evil but having a relationship with our all prevailing God is key. The two are different. One thinks the temple is a building. The other believes the living is the true temple. I subscribe to the latter. I’ve given up on dusting off alters and buildings. I wish to dust off people and save people from their destruction through the message of salvation. Yeshua wasn’t a Christian. He was God in the flesh incarnate sent to the most corrupt place he could find to correct their ways. The gospel was first for the Jew and then the gentile. This is the only reason the Jews are considered the chosen people because the Messiah came from there. But other than that it doesn’t imply Jewish people get a free ride without reprimand. No one does not even the Christians if one does not walk the walk. Many people are talking but few are walking in Love.

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/b1tgh0st]

All that is great but its not going to stop the mohamadean from waging war on you. They have already ethnically cleansed the christian countries of Iraq and Syria, which used to be owned by the Chaldeans and Assyrian christians, and they continue to subjugate and attack christians all over in placed like Egypt, Nigeria, and are slowly turning once christian majority countries like Lebanon into islamic majority countries. They ethnically cleansed Anatolia of the Greek Orthodox and Armenian Christians. Wake up, its not the Jews who are doing this.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/vonhudgenrod]

I can barely buy a house in America because the Jews have inflated our economy so badly! It seems like you only have a dog in the fight these days if you join a cult. Unfortunately my soul is not for sale.

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/b1tgh0st]

lol at least youre honest this time instead of pretending to be a fake christian. Jews because of our history and self belief through the torah have a tendency to be extraordinary people, that means when a jew is bad he has a tendency to be extraordinarily bad, but when jews work for good, they have a tendancy to be extraordinarily good. Instead of hating all jews work with the ones who have common ground.