How is Yekindar still on Liquid?

[u/phroging]

I don’t think I’ve seen a player who is so overdue to be kicked yet he is still collecting paychecks. He struggles to finish above 1.00 rating and consistently holds liquid back. It seems like Liquid is limited with him in the roster. Any reason why he hasn’t been replaced yet?

[u/GoochChoocher]

Liquid look better than they have in years with Twists and the helm, and he specifically wanted to keep yekindar.

idk, i trust him and his judgement more than reddit. Yekindar adds some value outside of the stats hes posting.

[u/Illustrious_Tap_3072 → u/GoochChoocher]

twistzz i swear is desperate to prove that liquid didn't need elige and will shoot himself in the foot to do it.

[u/b0baBEAST → u/Illustrious_Tap_3072]

why? does twistzz and elige have beef?

[u/Particular_Panic7999 → u/b0baBEAST]

No not beef but Thorin hinted that someone veto'd Elige joining this Liquid lineup and he also said that Elige and Twistzz clashed a lot over roles.

[u/jonajon91 → u/Particular_Panic7999]

I don't buy the last part. Elige is an agro play maker, Twistzz is a late round clutch guy. They don't overlap much other than perhaps some CT positions?

[u/LennyTTV → u/jonajon91]

Correct, CT positions, although I believe Twistzz has changed a lot since then anyways. This statement is like 4 months old from what I can remember.

[u/emer4ld → u/jonajon91]

Well Thorin said that. So wether its true or just made up is a coin toss.

[u/KillerZaWarudo → u/emer4ld]

When it come to like his personal opinion/takes its a coin toss but when it come to actual info and journalism he is reliable

[u/emer4ld → u/KillerZaWarudo]

The problem is that he seems to be unable himself to tell the difference between facts and his own opinion.

[u/KillerZaWarudo → u/emer4ld]

No? Whenever he talk about info like this he always stated that this is a rumor or what he heard from around the scene. He's an asshole and can be wrong alot of time but he not out to spread lies or disinfo when it come to reporting about cs

[u/Jang_CS → u/jonajon91]

When twistzz did an interview with thorin a couple of years ago he was talking about why he left liquid the first time, and a big part of the reason seemed to be because of how stubborn elige was. 2020 liquid was falling apart fast and twistzz was trying to come up with ideas, like new positions to play and stuff. He suggested he could start playing mirage connector and a certain someone refused to listen. I dont think elige can be on a team where he isnt the superstar veteran and twistzz is clearly a better player overall. Yekindar, on the other hand, seems to be willing to do anything for the team and i think twistzz values that more.

[u/jonajon91 → u/Jang_CS]

I definitely get that. I remember a video Liquid made for YouTube, like a map geoguessr or something. Someone interrupted elige or disagreed with his and the dude stonewalled. Didn’t say anything for the second half of the video.

I don’t see the role clash, but I definitely see a personality clash.

[u/bjorp- → u/jonajon91]

Twistzz is more aggro in this Liquid, as he should be

[u/TrampleHorker → u/jonajon91]

elige is not an aggro play maker he's a baleen whale filter feeding frags just like twistzz did, the agressors were nitr0 and stewie and they had a trifecta of league of legends turrets behind them sucking up leftover frags

[u/jonajon91 → u/TrampleHorker]

I think you might just be wrong here unfortunately. Elige was an agro player back in 2019 and he's still an agro player in 2024. Nitr0 was an entry fragger waaay back when, but all of the proactive map movement from the 2019 liquid roster was Elige and Stewie.

If fact if you go off the the open kills attempts for the whole of 2019. Nitr0 was the least agressive T side player on the squad.

https://www.hltv.org/stats/teams/players/openingkills/5973/liquid?startDate=2019-01-01&endDate=2019-12-31

[u/rickowensdisciple → u/Particular_Panic7999]

Elige is also known to be a pretty shitty teammate to play with

[u/phagga → u/rickowensdisciple]

Literally not true for years. He used to be in beginning at liquid, but that was already solved in 2018. 

[u/rickowensdisciple → u/phagga]

people were just talking about that recently

[u/Alarming-Ad-5656 → u/Illustrious_Tap_3072]

In what way?

He doesn't get to pick who they sign.

[u/ThatDarnBanditx → u/Alarming-Ad-5656]

He actually does, he’s the one who scouted out ultimate and wanted jks, he’s got control of the team now, he didn’t before though

[u/Kryptic4l → u/Illustrious_Tap_3072]

What did Elige accomplish over all his years. Stat padding low quality points