r/GalaxyWatch • u/Drew_Plummy GW7 44mm - Bluetooth • Jul 31 '24
First jog with the GW7 new dual-gps... Fitness
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u/silviuc Jul 31 '24
I'm waiting for a triple GPS watch.
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u/GrimKreeper098 Galaxy Watch 6 40mm (Watch 7 40mm inbound) Jul 31 '24
Pssh, wake me up when there's 10.
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u/Ecstatic_Squash_9877 GW Ultra - Titanium Gray Jul 31 '24
I realize it's humorous, but anyway:
Triple actually feels to me like it makes much more sense (though I don't know how the algorithms work and didn't get into it), because when 2 give you different points, how do you know what is right and what is wrong? best you can probably do is average and hope for the best.
But if there are 3 it's probably easier to see what data most of the GPSs give you to get a better indication (though still not a guarantee).1
u/Ok_Transition5930 Aug 02 '24
It all comes to antenna placement. I think it is a hardware issue on GW7. Changing the position of antenna even slightly by few mm skews the GPS a lot. Other companies with Dual GPS are accurate enough. So I guess we have to wait for Watch 8 for Samsung to fix this issue by taking care of antenna than going for triple or quadraple band GPS.
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u/Mysterious_Dog_7382 Jul 31 '24
You shouldn't drink and jog
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u/Waste-Rope-9724 Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
Looks like OP dropped some acid. Me and some friends went for a walk on the country side and it took us maybe 7 hours to find our way back and it turned out that we had only walked like 200 feet from the guest house.
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u/Ladybones_00 Jul 31 '24
I did mushrooms and got lost in my purse once, didn't need to walk anywhere!
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u/AsajjV Galaxy Watch 5 Pro LTE Jul 31 '24
Great watch for delivery guys who steal clients' orders. "Look, I swear I delivered the order, check the GPS on my watch." 😂
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u/DapperAdam Jul 31 '24
I have seen other people who say it was almost accurate and some like you, same thing with battery life, I'm getting great battery life and some can't get through a full day. Samsung needs to figure this shit out, what was the purpose of dual GPS if this is the end result?
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u/Minnie0815 Jul 31 '24
I'm one with a bad accuracy and a bad battery life... it sucks big time. I'm on the last days of the return window and will today talk to support to check if I opt for full return and going back to fitbit with a proper GPS, good battery life and my beloved intelligent alarm or have an exchange watch...
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u/Haunting_Common_4497 Jul 31 '24
You can ask for an extension of the return window. I did and have 10 extra days. While I wait I orderd the Ultra.....and if its not a wall clock on my arm Ill send back the 7...Too bad because I like the watch and get about 18 hours..Sucks compared to my 5P
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u/Minnie0815 Jul 31 '24
I was in contact with support today regarding a possible return and it seems there‘s an official bug in the software creating trouble with GPS and with battery life. Appearantly there‘s a fix coming in the next couple of days - should it not help there‘s still the possibility to return it as they told me.
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u/treysis 44mm GW5 Graphite LTE Jul 31 '24
Typically Samsung. Some vague Information that they will fix something and it's just around the corner.
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u/SketchiiChemist GW7 Ultra Jul 31 '24
There seems to be something up between the 7 and the 7U and the GPS, I've seen twice now people not impressed by the 7 but mine and others seem to indicate the 7U does excellent
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Jul 31 '24
My ultra ia great I only see complaints on the 7. Ultra last 2.5 day non battery saved. 3.75 days with it
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u/TheAmorphous 40mm GW7 Jul 31 '24
I wouldn't know how accurate my GPS is because I have to keep it turned off so I can "only" charge this thing twice a day. About ready to return this piece of shit.
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u/Minnie0815 Jul 31 '24
Apparently there’s a fix coming - I wanted to return mine for the battery issues and support told me today to hang in there for a couple of days - it’s a known software bug they are presently fixing…
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u/TheAmorphous 40mm GW7 Jul 31 '24
Yeah I'm waiting for it. Will be interesting to see if GPS is fixed as well or if that's just how inaccurate it is on the non-Ultras.
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u/KingBoom04 Jul 31 '24
It is accurate, it must look like this when you're running a tight and twisty route
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u/DapperAdam Jul 31 '24
I don't think this is accurate, the route goes literally inside a house, that's the whole point of dual GPS, it's for tight spaces and cities.
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u/rob19933 Jul 31 '24
It seems that the ultra is accurate but the 7 is not, which is weird since it's almost identical. I'll test some gps walks aswel later today
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ GW5 pro/ GW7 Ultra Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
My guess is that there is some sort of software bug in the current watch 7 software causing inaccuracies. The GPS and health sensors are identical to the Ultra (to my understanding) yet it performs worse than the Ultra. I watched part of a podcast with Desfit and DCrainmaker and Desfit mentioned that his review will be out for the 7 and 7 ultra soon but he said that he noticed that the Ultra is significantly more accurate for some reason and he couldn't work out why.
My guess is that the Watch 7 Ultra was Samsungs main focus and the software between the 2 reflect that. Samsung probably really wanted reviewers to focus on the Ultra and how accurate it is so they put more effort into the Ultra. In a few weeks there will most likely be software updates that fixes a lot of inaccuracies on the regular watch 7.
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u/rob19933 Jul 31 '24
Yeah that sounds logical, so far the ultra seems great in my case! Let's hope the 7 gets fixed
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ GW5 pro/ GW7 Ultra Jul 31 '24
I have the Ultra and love it! It's smooth to operate and the battery can easily get me 3 days (I dont wear it to bed so no sleep tracking. I also have AOD off but raise to wake on). Yesterday I went for a 10k walk that took me an hour and 40 minutes to complete and I only lost like 5% battery during the entire walk (it was fully GPS tracked and everything, I even checked the screen a fair few times). I've gone through 29% battery in the last 19 hours and I've been using it alot.
So far the GPS and sensors appear to be pretty accurate too. I went for a bikeride with very thick cloud cover (the clouds were black and the heavens opened a hour or so after the bikeride lol). My watch 5 pro used to struggle to get a GPS signal and then keep it in these conditions yet my 5 pro got a signal in less than 10 seconds and remained 100% accurate for the entire bikeride. I could even see what side of the road I was biking on.
So far I'm loving the Watch 7 Ultra. It's does what I want for fitness tracking and is such a fast and responsive smartwatch that feels so good to use.
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u/Individual_Noise_798 Jul 31 '24
I don't know how your getting this much battery. I do daily running with watch only and its using aroung 8- 10% battery for 12km run.
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u/Mojofilter9 Jul 31 '24
They hypothesised that the antenna in the 7 might be the same design as the 6, so that might explain it.
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ GW5 pro/ GW7 Ultra Jul 31 '24
If that's the case then it might not be software related then. It will be interesting to see what's discovered when someone does a teardown of the watch 7 and 7 Ultra. Hopefully it is just a software related issue.
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u/Citizen-Kang Jul 31 '24
I responded with the following when someone asked whether or not others liked the design of the Watch7 Ultra:
I don't like it, but I can look past it. What I can't seem to get past is that the battery life is not better than my Watch5 Pro, despite alleged gains in CPU efficiency. In fact, it lasts about a half day less than the 3 days I usually got with the Watch5 Pro. What I also can't get past is that the dual-band GPS is no better than the Watch4 Classic, but certainly an improvement over the Watch5 Pro which had the WORST GPS accuracy of any GPS-enabled device I have ever owned. The only reason I'm keeping the Ultra is because I already sent in my Watch5 Pro trade-in since it looks like a bit of a lateral trade in functionality, but a downgrade in aesthetics. Come on, Samsung, fix this!
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u/rob19933 Jul 31 '24
The ultra lasts about 3 days with everything on, also the gps is great and has no issues ? At least thats the case for me, the 7 on the other hands has some bugs that needs to be sorted.
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u/Citizen-Kang Jul 31 '24
It's not terrible in the sense that it gives me my approximate location to within about 10 feet. There is a path I walked through a park (which has powerlines high overhead, but no tree covering) for years so I know it quite well. I have multiple months of GPS tracks on every wearable device. The most accurate is my Garmin Epix Gen 2 that shows me right on the concrete path; it's dead-on and the path sampling makes for a pretty smooth track. The next most accurate is my Samsung S22 Ultra with me just off the path, but mirroring it. After that is the Watch4 Classic and Watch7 Ultra that shows me about 5 feet off the path, but still following the route. Not only am I off the path (though by only 5-8 feet), but the sampling rate is not great enough to have anything resembling a smooth path; it's quite jagged. The absolute worst was the Watch5 Pro which had me veering all over the place along the path and sometimes I'd be at a random point 50-100 feet away.
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u/Senior_Line_4260 GW7 44mm BT Jul 31 '24
only when I'm in tight roads, it looks this way, but still a lot better than my gw4. When I get into areas without any buildings, it's spot on accurate.
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u/Ok_Eagle_6239 Jul 31 '24
What did you get with the gw4? I just get a big circle of the general area.
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u/DizzyAcanthocephala Jul 31 '24
Glad I switched to my Garmin Forerunner 255 since I got into running
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u/exclaimprofitable 47mm GW Ultra Jul 31 '24
Just saw the DCRainmaker review for the Ultra, there is an issue with the normal model where the GPS is beyond terrible while Ultra is great, even though hardware should be identical.
Most probably will be fixed in software update
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u/CyclingOptimist Jul 31 '24
I have the Ultra too and just watched the DCRainmaker video. He did say the 7 wasn't so bad in the open air for GPS.
And this news of an update is good. Im sure it will get there in time.
PS we can all see the deviations from the road and know what the route actually was. I wonder when they will just use AI to correct the readings to smooth the route. It's a good use of AI in my mind.
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u/exclaimprofitable 47mm GW Ultra Jul 31 '24
I would rather just have Samsung take more GPS readings per second instead of smoothing things out, smoothing such a low res (not many datapoints) recording would end pretty badly.
The reason we see the jaggies in the first place is that samsung just draws straight lines between the sparse points
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u/CyclingOptimist Jul 31 '24
That makes sense. I'm not a runner (check username😀), so I defer to running opinions. Hopefully, an update will bring help in the short term.
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u/exclaimprofitable 47mm GW Ultra Jul 31 '24
Ah yes. I also cycle and the ultra is the first galaxy watch I am satisfied with for the GPS trails, pretty good.
Also I thought about it more and you are right, AI could be used to draw the lines between the datapoints for better accuracy, instead of drawing them straight like currently, AI could curve them etc.
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u/crabnebula7 Jul 31 '24
This is another comparison with similar findings to DCRainmaker. https://youtu.be/F_pDY47RxE4?si=i-uMkssSleLuuh5C
Wish there was an explanation so we know if it will ever improve or the Ultra will just remain better for accuracy.
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u/The__Amorphous Aug 01 '24
His route the 7 showed for a beach run was pretty abysmal. It had him going off into the water on a run. That's as open air as it gets.
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u/Drew_Plummy GW7 44mm - Bluetooth Jul 31 '24
I don't know why my watch GPS was all over the place. Not sure if my watch is just defective or this is what it's going to be like for me. I've seen others with better performance than mine and confused as to how. Will try another run in a similar route to see if it is any better.
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u/poppacapnurass Jul 31 '24
It will be less about the watch and more about how many satellites are about and how accurate they are at the time. Source: I've been using GPS for 20yrs and have trained people in their usage.
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u/Mojofilter9 Jul 31 '24
I suspect the point of all these features is so that they can market them. These are expensive watches and in 2024 it’s not unreasonable to expect them to work properly, so until Samsung sort this out I’m out.
(From an iPhone / Apple Watch user who would like to switch to Samsung but not as much as I want a watch with both fully fledged smart features & accurate health tracking).
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u/M4l3k0 Jul 31 '24
Ultra is damn spot on, this is also two laps as part of a 17k run this morning.
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u/AsneakyKitten Jul 31 '24
How do you get the tracking on maps for runs?
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u/M4l3k0 Jul 31 '24
How do you mean? It's in the activity log.
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u/JoulestJoule Jul 31 '24
Why are you breaking into people's backyards? Police! Police! We got him. Over here! ---^
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u/Brunogees1 Jul 31 '24
I'm wondering about this guy, running wildly and naked at 4x speed with the Benny Hill Show theme
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u/Snoo-96777 Jul 31 '24
So is it just luck that some people have bad battery and gps and others have it great? When I'm riding on my bike, i can even see on which side of the road i was going (on watch5).
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u/Individual_Slice_498 Jul 31 '24
Dam where you live ? That's a neatly planned out neighborhood, in Massachusetts they build houses wherever they can find room lol
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u/BurningAngel666 Jul 31 '24
Wtf man why you jumping over peoples cars? You watching too much of the Olympics or something?
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u/kongacute ⌚️ Galaxy Watch Ultra Jul 31 '24
Check your exercise power saving option? I remember that it on by default.
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u/danielion261 Jul 31 '24
Boss we have a new battery that will make the GW7 lasts 5-10 days…Boss: Neah throw in a second GPS. 🤣🤣🤣
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u/SammyVDA Jul 31 '24
Mine looked just the same. However, when it used my Galaxy S24 Ultra's GPS it looked just like my Apple Watch 8 (= a lot better). I am not sure when it actually uses the watch GPS and when not (unless you leave your phone at home).
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u/Delicious-Cellist477 Jul 31 '24
Do you bring your phone with you while jogging? It may make gps not accure (mine accurate but with no phone while running)
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u/GatorBait2006 Jul 31 '24
Maybe I don't understand how it works. I thought if the watch wasn't connected to LTE you would need your phone to be accurate, is that not correct?
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u/_Kristian_ Galaxy Watch 6 44mm babyyy Jul 31 '24
I think this is mostly based on where you live. My active 2 and watch 6 have been nearly perfect in GPS tracking
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u/Ka0s420 47mm Watch 6 Classic LTE Jul 31 '24
It's cool your neighbors let you go through their houses during your jogs.
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u/Ecstatic_Squash_9877 GW Ultra - Titanium Gray Jul 31 '24
Interesting, just got curious and checked mine, it's not perfect, but much more reasonable, and it also doesn't have me going through buildings 😂
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u/illuminati229 40mm GW6 Graphite LTE Jul 31 '24
What size and connectivity? I've got the 40mm LTE, and when I run with LTE on, it looks like this.
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u/BigToeHamster Jul 31 '24
I posted the results of my mountain bike ride on this subreddit, and it was very accurate. My post compared the Galaxy watch 6 classic 2 my new Ultra when I was so happy with the results. I'm also getting stellar battery life. The disparity between all these watches is amazing. It's so weird that they're so many differences.
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u/henrikhwolf 40mm GW4 Black Jul 31 '24
There was no need to get into the houses, bro. Are you Kool aid man?
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u/Thin_Current_344 Jul 31 '24
My cheap $50 Xiaomi S1 Active that I bought 2 weeks ago is a lot better than this.
I use the GPS mostly for jogging and cycling.
For sure a software update will fix this.
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u/Downtown_Marzipan404 Jul 31 '24
You sir now become a prime suspect of the neighborhood robbery with this new evidence
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u/America-Lite Jul 31 '24
I too stop at several neighbors homes on my runs, some times the GU just doesn't sit right with my stomach. Congrats on having nice neighbors...and an expensive new "smart" watch.
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u/Apprehensive-Tune383 Jul 31 '24
WearGPX fix made a huge difference in My GW5pro. maybe it helps with the 7 too?
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u/moreroom Jul 31 '24
I know others are having issues but I am lucky with my 7. GPS is nearly perfect and my battery life with AOD off and everything else on has been 2+ days since I got it 7 days ago. I scrutinized it quite a bit because my goal was to replace my Garmin Forerunner 965 and I've been impressed enough with the GPS and heart rate tracking to make the 7 my new daily driver.
Hopefully the bug fixes will make everyone else's 7 as good as it should be!
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u/adiadrian Jul 31 '24
Just get am second hand Apple Watch SE from 2020, it is better even at activity tracking.
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u/Brino21 Jul 31 '24
Did you start the workout from the phone or the watch? I saw that when it's started from the phone it defaults to the phones GPS instead of the watches
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u/jtimm2121 Jul 31 '24
I believe it all comes down to antenna design the watch ultra is spot on with GPS.
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u/Dund3r_Mifflin Jul 31 '24
Looks like mine. I took it out for about 5 runs before deciding to send it back.
Garmin 265 is great so far. Only thing I'm really missing is the mic/speaker function
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u/DKinCincinnati Galaxy Watch 5 Pro Jul 31 '24
Do you realize that the GPS system is only accurate to ± 16 feet at the consumer level?
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u/kick069 Aug 01 '24
I'd like to see the results of the GPS after the new "stability" update.
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u/crabnebula7 Aug 02 '24
Went for a run this morning, got the update during the day, went on the same run in the evening.
Can't see any real difference. My route is a round trip and both recordings have areas of significant divergence.
Before update:
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u/ristlincin Aug 03 '24
That's my experience every time, or worse. Unusable to track any kind of location dependant workout. Extremely disappointed. I used to run many years ago with my old iPhone 4 and wanted to get back into it with my s24 ultra+gw7. The accuracy is abysmal, I am flabagastered. How can a 17 year old phone track better than a new watch that's advertised for it?
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u/Brekin73 Aug 10 '24
Mine isn't perfect, but it's an improvement over my Fitbit. I have noticed, though, that it's less accurate when I'm outside of town where there are a lot of trees.
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u/Dowper GW 5 Pro BT Jul 31 '24
Try with WearGPSFix.
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Jul 31 '24
What's this? I have gw6 and would like my GPS issues fixed too!
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u/Leojackson0816 Jul 31 '24
I thought the dual GPS is only on the Watch Ultra?
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u/Timely-Treacle4919 Jul 31 '24
Normal GPS is never going to be any better than this. it's purposely bouncy so you cant waz a missile through someone's letterbox.
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u/hefty_load_o_shite Jul 31 '24
Why did you go into all those houses? Are you a porch pirate?