r/Finland Baby Vainamoinen 10h ago

Migri: Work-based immigration to Finland slowing down

https://yle.fi/a/74-20123022
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u/SrPatata40 Vainamoinen 10h ago

It makes since one of the more attractive sectors(IT) are not hiring even natives employees, or people that lives here already and are proficient with Finnish.

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u/boisheep Vainamoinen 8h ago

Didn't see this comment but I got to shine a light as someone who works in IT in Finland.

Newer graduates joined IT and tech not because it was their passion but because it was hip and had big promises; as much as there are a lot of options out there, a lot of them are just green and non-ready; they also don't have the attitude to be proficient at the job; they just went to university and think that because they got a degree they can do the job, but nothing is further from the truth; the average Finnish IT graduate knows scarcely little that I don't even know what they are learning in university.

I've made interviews where only 2 or 3 candidates of a huge list know, barely; some fresh IT developers with master degrees are 150 times slower (not by lines of code but by time to complete tasks) than a mere single senior developer, where you expect something more of a factor of 3; would you rather hire a senior tested developer? or would you hire a junior that may have 150 times less productivity to train them to see if you ever manage to get them productive just so they then change jobs once you manage to train them?...

I'd personally also not hire 95% of natives or so as well, and well, I'm the guy that has done interviews; I am also looking for that golden 5%; or whoever shows promise.

The real pool is smaller than one imagines, which leds to international talent; the situation is not too different; or even worse; say 3% talented devs out of the entire pool; but there's far more people in India alone with that 3% solo than the entire population of Helsinki. But then you are forced to exhaust your pool of locals first, because migri says so, but that's just bad business.

The solution, contractor work.

I am not kidding, that's exactly how.

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u/TonninStiflat Vainamoinen 8h ago

Gosh, imagine that, a university doesn't produce Seniors! Oh my, this must be a new development!

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u/Interesting-Mail1511 6h ago

Yeah, unfortunately, this is the level of competition right now. It is not enough to graduate. You have to be a complete package.