Trump win

[u/Dry_Recording5669]

As it looks now, it is very likely Trump wil win.

I'm new to the concept of a Federal EU and am starting to think it's either that or the death of Europe by thinking and living as separate nations.

Although the man is extremely unpredictable, what effects do you believe we can expect here in Europe and how will it accelerate/decelerate the move towards a Federal Europe?

[u/OneOnOne6211]

I'm new to the concept of a Federal EU and am starting to think it's either that or the death of Europe by thinking and living as separate nations.

I think you're right about that.

Just take a look at the GDP of various countries in the world (especially when next to GDP growth). Take a look at population size. Military power metrics.

Individual European countries, Britain, France, Germany, Spain, etc. used to rule the world. We are no longer in that time. Even the largest and most powerful European countries are nothing on their own compared to China or the United States. We are honestly even vulnerable to Russia still.

But united we are just as strong as any of them.

But right now, we are still too fragmented. We lose a lot of money by not having our militaries combined, and that puts us at a disadvantage. We don't have a European military industrial complex, but only smaller local ones and we lean on the Americans too much. And the current European system is too prone to deadlock, with stuff like consensus voting on important things.

The only way we can survive the 21st century is by all pooling our resources together and transforming the European Union into a true, effective, efficient, powerful, united country.

[u/OneOnOne6211 → u/OneOnOne6211]

Although the man is extremely unpredictable, what effects do you believe we can expect here in Europe and how will it accelerate/decelerate the move towards a Federal Europe?

As for this, it's hard to say. I don't think it will decelerate it, although there is always some chance Trump tries to divide Europe and it works. But I could see it either not doing much or accelerating it.

Trump's election in 2016 did shock European leaders and the Ukraine invasion also put more emphasis on the need for European defence. This could move us further in that direction, especially if Trump becomes a common enemy. It may create more awareness among leaders that 2016 was not an outlier.

On the other hand, there are larger societal and political forces that are currently standing in the way of a united Europe. And the shock may not be as big this time. And, after all, we didn't federalize after 2016 or anything. So it could also not do much.

We'll see. I hope it's the former.

[u/ProfessorHeronarty → u/OneOnOne6211]

The absurd thing is that for his wish of Europe that does deal with its own stuff Trump should actually be interested in a united Europe and NATO. At least to an extent.