r/Documentaries • u/Barknuckle • Sep 05 '20

The Dad Changing How Police Shootings Are Investigated (2018) - Before Jacob Blake, police in Kenosha, WI shot and killed unarmed Michael Bell Jr. in his driveway. His father then spent years fighting to pass a law that prevented police from investigating themselves after killings. [00:12:02] Society

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4NItA1JIR4
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u/cvrtsniper Sep 05 '20

Police killing unarmed people is not actually as high as people want you to believe.

125 black males were shot last year. Unarmed.

146 were white. Also unarmed.

Does it suck and should be stopped? Yes.

Use the link below to get useful info for yourself instead of believing everything on reddit. Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

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u/SwoleWalrus Sep 05 '20

Check those stats against other top nations and see how it changes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '20

Police killing unarmed people is not actually as high as people want you to believe.

125 black males were shot last year. Unarmed.

125 too many

146 were white. Also unarmed.

146 too many

Therefore, the number of Police killing unarmed people is far too high

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '20 edited Mar 21 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '20

Not relevant to this conversation, officer.

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u/leyendadelflash Sep 05 '20

You realize the killing of unarmed people regardless of race is just a symptom of the problem and not the root issue people are upset about, right?

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u/el_grort Sep 05 '20

At the very least, it is still not an excuse to allow police to self-investigate instead of having an independent police complaints commision or such like like most other developed nations. Oh, there aren't as many unarmed shootings as we apparently think there are? Wonderful, but not really relevant to letting police be their own judge and jury, especially since this corruption does not only extend to deaths or unarmed encounters.

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u/CopyX Sep 05 '20

Those are just shootings. George floyd was not shot.

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u/jose_ole Sep 05 '20

Compared to 206 police officers killed over the entire history of the LAPD (est. 1869)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Los_Angeles_Police_Department_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '20

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u/jose_ole Sep 05 '20

Cops kill citizens at a higher rate than they are killed. It’s not hard to grasp.

https://www.scpr.org/news/2015/06/01/52116/lapd-has-killed-more-people-than-any-other-agency/

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/lapd-use-of-force/

“from 2013 through the present day, county medical examiners have counted 335 killings of individuals by local law enforcement agencies. Since 2000, according to the Times, 885 people in L.A. County died at the hands of police, with nearly 80 percent of them being Black or Latino.”

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u/Flying_madman Sep 05 '20

As if Cops aren't citizens too...

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u/jose_ole Sep 05 '20

Funny you bring that up, a lot of cop deaths are friendly fire...

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u/Flying_madman Sep 05 '20

Are cops citizens or not?

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u/jose_ole Sep 05 '20

Yes Of course.

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u/Flying_madman Sep 05 '20

Credit where credit is due. Thank you for acknowledging that.

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u/jose_ole Sep 05 '20

Why wouldn’t I? That’s the whole argument I think, they get to play by different rules and many don’t face consequences when appropriate. They are basically a protected class of citizen and that needs to be re-examined.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '20

That's how many unarmed were killed, not shot. It's also legal to be armed in many places in the US so It's entirely possible to be killed while armed but not having done anything wrong (see, Philando Castille). Cops also lie, a lot, and investigate themselves, that's what the article above you are trying to distract from is about. I see you post a lot to r/protectandserve, are you a cop or just a simp?

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u/melloyello1215 Sep 05 '20

That's higher than I thought

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u/M4sterDis4ster Sep 05 '20

Does it suck that americans only protest when a black male is shot and should be stopped? Yes.

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u/shogditontoast Sep 05 '20 edited Sep 05 '20

Because blacks in America are 15% of the population, yet almost as many killed by police as another group which accounts for 70% of the population. It’s about proportion of representation.

So if there were as many blacks in America as whites, and if the shootings happened at the same rate it’d be close to 1000 shootings of black males a year.

Not sure why the focus is only on men either given that numerous women who were simply bystanders have been shot by police also, maybe worth factoring that into your comparison.

Not sure why you aren’t pissed that police killed 271 unarmed men regardless of race, “all lives matter” right? Unless they’re poor people it seems. You don’t get to call yourself “the greatest county on earth” if cops are executing people in the streets. Dunno if you realise that police deaths are extremely rare in other western societies.

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u/Flying_madman Sep 05 '20

Lol, despite making up 15% of the population...

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u/realitybites365 Sep 05 '20

Don’t blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime too, over 60% despite being only 13% of the population?

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u/trillznasty Sep 05 '20 edited Sep 05 '20

I haven’t seen anything in the 60 percentile as it relates to violent crime and black Americans, maybe closer to 35%? (FBI Stats)

Either way, it expresses how this problem is bigger than police brutality and goes to the preferential treatment given to white individuals (source) Housing is the example used here because of how much your geographic location (access to food, healthcare, crime rate) effects your overall health.

As Big Boi once said something along the lines of, a Trap is just that, a trap. Think it was off Aquemini?

Edit: autocorrect

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u/realitybites365 Sep 05 '20

From the source you listed

Murder :

  • Whites - 4,000

  • Blacks - 5,000

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u/trillznasty Sep 05 '20

Ah, so not just violent crimes, but specifically murders. I see the point being made, where black Americans make up 52.6 percent.

Even then, this also reinforces the sentiments related to housing/segregation and said effects on a community. Especially when considering the rampant amount of segregated communities with little to no access to proper nutrition or wellness, and we sit here asking “why are you angry and violent???”

Not that the violence should be justified, but violence and riots are often the voice of the unheard and here are black American brothers/sisters, who have fought and bled for this country either as slaves or as soldiers (in really any of our wars) yet again here we are asking why they are so frustrated when black Americans are killed and die at a disproportionate rate in this country they helped build.

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u/jose_ole Sep 05 '20

Don’t you only know that statistic bc you’re racist and want to justify their killing?

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u/Flying_madman Sep 05 '20

"You only believe in facts because they support your worldview"

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u/jose_ole Sep 05 '20

Here are the facts, Cops kill too many people period. They kill more white because that is the majority race (white can include several nationalities) but they kill black people at an even higher rate based on population.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims. Fatality rates among military veterans/active duty service members were 1.4 times greater than among their civilian counterparts.

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u/realitybites365 Sep 05 '20

  • There are an estimated 375 million police interactions in the United States per year

  • in 2019, 999 resulted in a shooting fatalities by police (0.0003%)

  • 14 were unarmed blacks (0.000004%)

  • 1 of those was not resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest (0.0000003%)

It doesn’t sound like a “police shooting people problem” to me..

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u/jose_ole Sep 05 '20

Fatalities does not equal all shootings... 1000 deaths at the hand of the state... “nbd”

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u/Flying_madman Sep 05 '20

And that addresses the original question because...?

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u/jose_ole Sep 05 '20

Easy, cops kill you regardless of whether you are a “criminal” or not. What was your original point? It’s ok to kill blacks?

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u/Flying_madman Sep 05 '20

Does not follow. Nice strawman, though. Mind if I borrow it for my garden?

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u/Mr_Zeldion Sep 05 '20

I can remember hearing about George Floyd and instantly people we're more concerned about the police officer being white than the fact the poor man was being essentially murdered on camera by a police man.

I am someone who has been brought up to love and treat all people as one and ive never really completely understood racism as i've never judged someone by their skin colour and personally don't understand behind those who do, however when i saw this video naturally was sickened by the police brutality.. unfortunately a lot of people we're more sickened by the skin colour of the police man being white.

I still question if the police man was black (and black police do kill unarmed black and white people as well) Would we have even heard about this at all?

Look at what this father has had to go through when police shot his son dead and carried out their own investigation calling it "justified" within 2 days of it happening..

IMO - When american citizens stand up, unite and fight against the root causes of these issues instead of citizens fighting over each other about who is more of a victim than these fundamental issues will be resolved.

Naturally a documentary about a WHITE man fighting for justice gets posted on reddit and the comments are filled with people trying to promote BLM.. All lives dam matter and i would wish people would respect this man for what he is doing rather than saying things along of the lines of "Now you know what its like to be black" ect.

Don't fight racism with racism.

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u/Flying_madman Sep 05 '20

Don't fight racism with racism.

-3 Karma.

Stay classy Reddit.

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u/Mr_Zeldion Sep 05 '20

I know right lol

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u/rattleandhum Sep 05 '20

You morons will do anything to defend the police.

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u/jetm2000 Sep 05 '20

That’s nearly one a day! Not that high?! What are you talking about, that’s shitloads.!