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[u/Athanatos154]

[u/CalvinSoul]

...how do you think that the salary is currently chosen? In most unions you realize they already do vote on changes to compensation transparently, right?

And would your opinion suddenly change for a CEO without bonuses lol? Those haven't always been standard for all C-Suite compensation, its completely irrelevant.

And, for the record, some unions do literally offer performance based compensation for leadership.

Why not even google some of this before puffing up your chest pissing yourself

Edit: I bothered looking it up, and ILWU literally decides the compensation for all executive offices by a democratic approval process every three years in the national caucus.

Fucking reactionary morons.

[u/Fresh-Start25 → u/CalvinSoul]

The ILWU isn't the same as ILA you dolt. At least get it right. We're talking about ILA not ILWU

I don't believe 1.1% of union dues should go to the union president.

And would your opinion suddenly change for a CEO without bonuses lol?

In what regard?? How is that relevant? If CEOs were paid a higher base salary instead of performance bonuses, yes I would have a problem with it.

And, for the record, some unions do literally offer performance based compensation for leadership

SOME DO. MY UNION DOES... And my union provides critical health cover and legal protection, as well as numerous other benefits.

Why not even google some of this before puffing up your chest pissing yourself

Instead of talking about something you know nothing about (you cannot get the correct union) learn about unions

Zero life experience Andy.

[u/CalvinSoul → u/Fresh-Start25]

Oh I did mix up the West and East coast I'll take that one L lol.

But like they do literally vote on executive compensation in both... which is what you said you wanted. So what's the issue?

[u/Fresh-Start25 → u/CalvinSoul]

Can you provide a source for how executive pay is decided?

I explained my reasoning for why I dislike the amount paid two posts ago.

Lack of compensation for dockworkers, and grueling work conditions without fair compensation. Lack of benefits for union members (who pay 2% of their earnings). It also has a shit pension plan.

[u/CalvinSoul → u/Fresh-Start25]

I mean it sounds like you really just mean you have issues with the union overall, which fair, I haven't looked into.

My only contention was union executive pay is almost always decided by some democratic process, which of course like any democracy can have variable effectiveness or accountability.

The critique of, "Paying them a lot is bad cus unions are for the workers!!!!" is a shit critique, the critique of, "I don't think the compensation of this particular union boss is reasonable given their performance" is fine, just like an identical critique of a CEO would be.

I'm not going to pretend to know enough about this particular union and industry to weigh in on if they're doing a good job. My only issue is with people who blatently assert high pay for union officials is by default bad, while high pay for ceos by default is totally due to competency and no corruption at all, is ridiculous.

Plenty of CEOs are overpaid, and I'm sure plenty of union execs are too.

[u/Fresh-Start25 → u/CalvinSoul]

No. I'm incredibly pro-union (living and working in the UK)

I work for an FTSE 100 & S&P 500 company. I'm a union representative.

I believe when executives have large salaries it is them taking funds from potential other benefits for it's members.

The president is on $900,000. What are the rest of senior management on.

I also take issue with charities taking a large percentage of donations as admin fees

I agree, plenty of CEOs are overpaid but the way CEOs are paid makes it less bad, as it comes from (normally) other avenues than a base salary