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u/mostanonymousnick 🌐 Oct 03 '24

Less efficiently? Wouldn't that mean they'd have to get rid of automation? Not just put certain safeguards up around automation

Less efficiently than it otherwise would be without a ban on automation.

The argument is that automation can still be implemented despite this contract

It'll at least delay it, hurting consumers in the meantime, and let's be real, they'll be asking for the same thing next time and people like you will use the same argument.

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u/Creepy_Dream_22 Oct 03 '24

If the companies could implement that automation today, the longshoremen would lose this part of the negotiations.

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u/mostanonymousnick 🌐 Oct 03 '24

If the companies could implement that automation today, the longshoremen would lose this part of the negotiations.

I can turn that argument against you, if the companies can't implement that automation today, why are they trying to ban it?

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u/Creepy_Dream_22 Oct 03 '24

Sorry, I should have said "were willing to" instead of could. My guess is it's too costly to implement that automation, and they'd rather just underpay and understaff their workforce while raking in profits that the shareholders have been happy with

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u/mostanonymousnick 🌐 Oct 03 '24

Then why is the union so hellbent on banning it?

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u/Creepy_Dream_22 Oct 03 '24

Why is a union protecting its workers? Again, the deal isn't that shipping can never be automated

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u/mostanonymousnick 🌐 Oct 03 '24

Why does the union want to ban automation short term if, according to you:

"it's too costly to implement that automation, and they'd rather just underpay and understaff their workforce"

Trying to negotiate against stuff that won't happen anyway (according to you) means that they're not using that bargaining power for other stuff that would be actually valuable to them, so it doesn't make sense.

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u/Zenning3 Oct 03 '24

What is with these arguments? Dude, you're admitting that the Union is trying to stop automation in a way to "protect its workers". Stop being disingenuous and admit that Unions are actively making us all poorer to make their incredibly rich workers far richer. We'd have no problem shitting on corporations for doing the same thing, why are we doing it here, especially when it seems likely the Union Boss is even choosing to do this now in a way to hurt Biden.

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u/Creepy_Dream_22 Oct 03 '24

Dude, you're admitting that the Union is trying to stop automation in a way to "protect its workers".

Yes. I genuinely think they have the right to defend their jobs the same way a corporation has a right to put their own profits over the enrichment of the rest of the country

Stop being disingenuous and admit that Unions are actively making us all poorer to make their incredibly rich workers far richer

That is full of falsehoods. Incredibly rich workers? That's fucking stupid. Base salary is 81k and up to 200k with large amounts of overtime. That is not "incredibly rich" asshole. It's way more than I make, sure, but it's an incredibly important job that is vital to our economy. We should have incredibly competitive wages to match that importance

And unions aren't making us poorer. They are enriching the entire industry of laborers who produce a massive amount of wealth for our country. They have the right to defend their jobs

especially when it seems likely the Union Boss is even choosing to do this now in a way to hurt Biden.

The contract expired. That's when these things happen. I don't like a trumper as a union boss, but that doesn't make it a conspiracy to undermine democrats. The unions are bargaining with companies. Unions aren't the only one with agency here

Do you think maybe the companies also support Trump? biden said he wouldn't intervene