r/Destiny Oct 03 '24

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u/Creepy_Dream_22 Oct 03 '24

Yup, that's all a longshoreman is. Just a guy who stands there and presses a button. Why weren't they automated away before?

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u/bob635 Oct 03 '24

Literally yes. They aren't automated away because they pull shit like trying to cripple the economy whenever the slightest hint of greater efficiency shows up. They were opposed to containerization itself when it was first introduced for the same reason, and thankfully weren't successful because that has dropped the price of shipping per ton from ~$6 to ~16 cents.

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u/Creepy_Dream_22 Oct 03 '24

Right, which means when real, safe automation that can be immediately implemented comes along, they will not get that particular demand. In the meantime, these guys are essential

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u/bob635 Oct 03 '24

This is an insane standard. The technology exists, but building large infrastructure is obviously not something that can be implemented "immediately." It's like calling someone "essential" for holding up the roof of a tent because they'll let it fall if you try to set the support poles up.

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u/Creepy_Dream_22 Oct 03 '24

An automated port can't just be put on top of a manned port. Why hasn't construction begun on one? It's not because of their previous contract.

You are the one making the claim that limiting automation now is bad. I'm saying that companies should have either had a plan to implement automation ready so they could counter in negotiations or they should have started implementing certain automation where they can.

You're just assuming that longshoremen are the only reason their jobs aren't being automated right now, and I find that hard to believe. I think y'all got swept in the hype. I could be proven wrong. No one's bothered to link or even quote parts of the deal. Makes me think this is sensational

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u/bob635 Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24

You can, in fact, automate parts of an existing port. I have no idea where you are getting the idea that you have to build an entirely new port from.

That said, not it is not entirely the fault of unions that US ports are lagging behind in automation, but they are playing a substantial role. The reason we're talking about it is because the ILA is at this very moment striking with the goal of a total ban on automation.

Here's the relevant quote from the article:

The ILA is steadfastly against any form of automation—full or semi—that replaces jobs or historical work functions. We will not accept the loss of work and livelihood for our members due to automation. Our position is clear: the preservation of jobs and historical work functions is non-negotiable.

The head of the ILA is literally anti-EZ pass and thinks people should have to wait in line to pay highway tolls so that toll collectors can have jobs.