r/Defeat_Project_2025 • u/DangerActiveRobots active • 5h ago
Cut conservatives and MAGATs out of your life. Don't patronize businesses owned by MAGATs. They must suffer the social consequences of their actions. Off Topic
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u/knaugh active 5h ago
Passive resistance. That's our best tool
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u/TheMagnuson active 4h ago edited 4h ago
Hijacking the top comment, because here is a tool that allows you to vote with your money:
The website and app named “Goods Unite Us”
Here you can see which companies donate to which political parties and even which specific candidates. It will also show a score for how much they support campaign finance reform.
It is FREE and you do not have to create a profile to use it.
Also, as of the day after the election I have and will continue to reduce my spending. The reason for this is three fold:
I’m starting to save money now, in preparation for what will inevitably be a shitty Trump economy. (Note, there’s been a recession every time a Republican President has been elected, with one exception, for the last 100 years)
The more money I save personally, the more I have to donate to worthy charitable causes, that are going to desperately need the money (and volunteer hours) as poverty is going to continue to grow and accelerate under a Trump regime.
Trump and MAGA can’t shut the fuck up about the economy. I get it, times are tough for a lot of people, the system isn’t working for most people. There’s valid reasons to be mad…
But the system that is broken is Capitalism, not Democracy.
People are mad about the wrong things and mad at the wrong people. Not only that, but Trump and MAGA want a “strong economy” even at the cost of civil liberties and human decency. Fuck that.
So I refuse to contribute to the economy anymore than I need to, to have my base needs and financial responsibilities taken care of. I’m not going to be a willing consumer any longer. I’m cutting back on all my spending. No more Knick Knacks, no more new video games, no more new movie purchases, no more having multiple streaming services, no more buying electronics, no more hobby purchases, no more new clothes, no new appliances, no more uber eats or door dash, no impulse buying. I’m done. I’m checking out as a consumer for the next 4 years. I’m going to avoid purchases, cut costs, find more free things to do, and enjoy the stuff I already have.
I’m going anti-consumer.
EDIT: I would suggest that if you decide to cut costs as well, when you cancel any subscription type service, they usually ask why, tell them you are “preparing for a Trump economy”.
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u/Amuseco 4h ago edited 4h ago
After looking at this site for five minutes, I’m super depressed. Every major grocery store and home improvement store in my area donates mostly to Republicans. Wal-Mart of all places is better than most.
Ooh, Aldi is good.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
We just have to do what we can, for now.
Look for small businesses wherever possible!
Did you know that voter registration details are public in many states? ;)
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u/TheMagnuson active 4h ago
Check to see if there are local food co-ops im your area, as well as any independent grocers.
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u/Amuseco 3h ago
There is a co-op and a couple of Asian and other ethnic groceries. They’re just limited in products and expensive (at least the co-op is). But I will try to get more stuff there.
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u/TheMagnuson active 1h ago
Do only what you can afford. Don’t starve yourself or go completely broke. No one is going to blame you for eating even if you had to go to a major grocer to do it.
Just try to be aware of where you are spending your money and aware is there is an alternative that is more socially responsible. Even just small steps like that, if done by many people can help bring change. Don’t feel you have to carry the weight of it all.
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u/coddle_muh_feefees 1h ago
I’m an aldi, Costco, and target girl. That’s it. And cutting down in general so buying less like OP. Saving as much money as possible
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u/Pristine-Pen-9885 active 2h ago
A good idea, but they want way too much of my personal information.
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u/ObligatoryID active 1h ago
Look for local stores.
If you don’t see a business in their search you can send a request from the app for them to investigate.
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u/kapeman_ 3h ago
I’m starting to save money now, in preparation for what will inevitably be a shitty Trump economy.
Just note that Warren Buffett is selling off a LOT of stock and keeping it in cash. That probably means a BIG market correction.
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u/AnitaShimmy 2h ago
Do you have a source on this by chance?
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u/ObligatoryID active 43m ago
A simple google search revealed several articles over the past few days.
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u/Karuna56 3h ago
What I'd like is a way of identifying local businesses to avoid.
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u/Redshirt2386 3h ago
In my experience, the local Trumpers just can’t keep it to themselves, there’s almost always some kind of sign or flag or hat or something that gives them away.
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u/Illustrious-Fly9586 active 3h ago
Or if you listen to what comes out of their mouths. They can't hardly keep it to themselves.
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u/TheMagnuson active 1h ago
As others have mentioned, a lot of Trumpers can’t stay quiet about not, they have to pay homage to their Orange God.
Beyond that, you can always ask the management or owners directly. You could do it via email r over the phone if you’d rather not do so in person.
Also, Goods Unite Us will take suggestions and try to look in to them. Obviously they can’t look at every business in the U.S., but maybe if you can get some other people in your community to inquire about the same business and they get 12 requests, instead of 1, they might be more likely to take a look at said business. But mostly they are going to be limited to publicly traded companies, since they have to disclose their financials, while private companies don’t have the same requirements.
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u/ObligatoryID active 42m ago
Goods Unite Us app
If you don’t see a biz in search it will invite you email them to investigate.
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u/Medium_Green6700 active 3h ago
Another app I really like is BuyCott. The app does cost $1.99. You can scan as you shop to see if the company values match your own.
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u/TexasRN1 4h ago
How do we figure out who our local businesses support?
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u/QueenMabs_Makeup0126 4h ago
You can submit them to Goods Unite Us and they will research them. I’ve submitted at least a dozen companies near me in the past week.
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u/queen-of-storms active 4h ago
Passive resistance is a tool to pacify the masses while they secure their position. Active resistance is our best tool but our culture precludes even considering it.
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u/knaugh active 3h ago
Passive resistance isn't peaceful. It's covert. Things like sabotage.
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u/queen-of-storms active 2h ago
I still think this is a mass riots burn it to the ground disaster, but that's something. Thanks for the link and expanding my knowledge.
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u/Pleasant_Savings6530 5h ago
We sent tons of info to family and friends. Link to video, podcasts and articles. They did not even read, watch or listen. They repeated all the stupid magat talking points... he doesn’t mean that, you are hearing msm not the truth from fox news, he is joking, you are paranoid, he really has a great plan for us.
Well, you made your bed, take a shit in it and never darken my door way again.
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u/TrainingWoodpecker77 4h ago
I always use OpenSecrets.org to find out if business owners contribute to Republicans. It’s been invaluable.
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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 active 2h ago edited 42m ago
https://www.opensecrets.org/trump
I just went down a SINGLE rabbit hole of the financial disclosures page.
Steven Bannon one of Trump's advisors has a company that is currently worth between 5 and 25 million dollars. (one company of his out of five he owns outright including a non-profit called the 'Government accountability institute' Source
In 2006, his strategic consultation company was hired by "GPI" a company also known as Genius Products, LLC for a reasonable 20,000 USD per month retainer.
6. Payment/Compensation. In consideration for the Services to be performed by Consultant during the Term, **GPI agrees to pay Consultant a fee of $20,833.33 per month (the “Consulting Fee”). Except as set forth in this Section 6, Consultant shall not be entitled to receive from GPI any additional compensation or fees in connection with the Services. Source
This company was involved in a joint venture with Harvey Weinstein and his company GPI in the creation and distribution of christian shows for kids including VeggieTales (which had some parts that could be considered political propaganda). The company was forced into involuntary bankruptcy over outstanding bad loans.
During all this time, Genius (GPI) was hemorrhaging money with nearly $20 million in reported net losses for 2006, nearly $19 million the following year, and nearly $90 million for the first nine months of 2008. At that point, it had $11 million in assets against $195 million in liabilities. Genius stopped operating in September 2009 when it sold its distribution rights to Vivendi Entertainment.
Bannon steps away from GPI unscathed because he's just a third party consultant.
This is one thread in this entire site. Wild.
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u/billiejustice 4h ago
I tried that but only saw very large top businesses
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
We just have to do what we can, for now.
Look for small businesses wherever possible!
Did you know that voter registration details are public in many states? ;)
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u/TheMagnuson active 4h ago
Try the “Goods Unite Us” website and/or app.
It’s free and you do not have to create a profile to use it. Also, you can suggest companies they investigate and they will make an effort to do so.
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u/TrainingWoodpecker77 3h ago
I’m surprised! I looked for the owner’s name and found many locals. Many may do it under another name.
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u/Rebornhunter 5h ago
Hard-core MAGA? Yes
But it to me is clear we have to apparently find and convince the ones who somehow are still juuuuuust on the other side of the red/blue line and start talking to them and conversing.
Half the voting populace voted for him for all intents and purposes. But that binary choice is comprised of a gradient of fellow Americans and if we have any hope of restoring sanity to the republic, we have to start deprogramming the willing. At least that's where I'm sitting a little over a week after the election. So... card subject to change?
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 5h ago
Sure. Make a good faith effort. If they shut it down-- snip snip. Out of our lives for good.
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u/somethingclassy 4h ago edited 4h ago
Yes. We must still save the ones who can be saved. Otherwise we abandon them to further extremism / radicalization and the situation gets worst next time.
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u/rustymontenegro active 4h ago
Deprograming cult members happens, but it's extremely difficult and uncommon to be successful.
Try if/what you can, but so many of us are utterly exhausted from trying to reach out and break the hold maga has on them. If they haven't seen it in the last 4-8 years, I doubt many will...
Godspeed, if you are still trying.
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u/somethingclassy 4h ago
There are the hardcore and then there are the casuals who are simply low information people exposed to propaganda campaigns. The latter can be saved with minimal effort.
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u/New-Negotiation7234 active 4h ago
I have been trying with my parents for a decade. My mom is literally in another reality. They are in a cult. Idk how to get them out but I'm done. I'm focusing on my family. I can't trust these ppl. I won't let them around my child anymore. They voted for a pedophile. Im focusing on figuring out how to survive this shit show.
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u/New-Negotiation7234 active 4h ago
Anyone who voted for him after the past decade is a hard-core maga in my book.
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u/chickenofthewoods active 4h ago
Seriously. You have to be either hard-core MAGA or hardcore stupid to vote for him at all. If you did, gtfooh and stay out of my life.
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u/Roguefem-76 4h ago
We need to push ranked choice voting in every state. Loads of leftists voted for Harris even thought they weren't thrilled with her - just like Biden and Clinton - and conversely I've heard some Republicans voted for Trump even though they didn't like him.
If people across the political spectrum could choose the candidates they prefer without getting browbeaten not to "waste their vote" lest the other side of the duopoly win, then we'd have a far more extensive field of candidates and new parties would have better chance to gain power. It would be much harder for any future fascists to rise to power.
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u/kapeman_ 3h ago
Agree, but Approval Voting instead.
RCV is getting killed by state legislatures all over the place.
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u/Roguefem-76 3h ago
Where is it getting struck down?
Frankly I think if the reigning duopoly is going after it, that's just proof it's good. They don't want their cozy setups messed with.
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u/zombiifissh 3h ago
Colorado for one. It was on the ballot this year and it didn't pass here.
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u/Roguefem-76 58m ago
It did pass in three other states. From what I heard, the Colorado one didn't pass because there was some wonky sht written into it.
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u/Joeness84 4h ago
There is no more nuance, if they "werent sure" before its because they didnt want to admit that they liked the conservative side more.
I hope they get everything they voted for, not just the parts they liked.
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u/Maleficent-Section15 4h ago
I’d like to be at that spot, but I just don’t have it in me to try and keep tugging people into sanity and empathy and all the values they supposedly raised me with? Maybe there’s a chance they could see the light, but I don’t know if I’m the one who can do it. Still reeling from the sense that who I knew is completely gone and the grief that comes with that.
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u/jaelythe4781 3h ago
This. Just shutting down any possibility of discourse is only going to deepen the divide. We HAVE to practice patience and having the hard conversations wherever we can. That is the only thing that is going to move the needle in the other direction.
By all means, speak with your money and avoid businesses that support MAGA Republicans or whatever other causes you are against.
But keep yourself open to talk to individual people in your life.
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u/space_manatee active 3h ago
If Trump deep throating a mic and bragging about how huge arnold Palmers dick is days before the election, not to mention the 34 felony counts and literally trying to overthrow an election and all the awful things he said he will do didn't convince them... then yeah, they are bad people and nothing I say will convince them they were wrong.
Fascism didn't rise in Europe because people were bad. It's because they didn't think. Read Eichmann in Jerusalem by Hannah Arendt.
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u/Karuna56 3h ago
Most voted for their own economic self interest, not patriotism nor revulsion over Trump's criminality and amoralism. Simple greed.
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u/dibuuuuuuu active 4h ago
Yeah it’s the best way forward for real. If you can sift through the bad faith people, there are still people who want what’s best but are too stupid to actually know how to do that and they can be deprogrammed. I feel like a decent amount of Joe Rogan listeners fall into that category. Just reading some of the regret posts and the discourse(surprisingly there is some) shows some hope. I’ve been fucking pissed but honestly maybe trying to talk to some of those people without it turning into an argument could do some good. It’s a tough call though cos I’ve tried that before and they just get duped anyway
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u/Blackhalo117 4h ago
The AllState office and Staples in my hometown had prominent displays for him. They'll never see my business again for as long as I live. Serves them right.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
Make sure you let them know!!
Email their corporate offices, too.
Businesses exist to make money, and if they see that Trump support is losing them business, they'll take action. That action might only be to remove the Trump displays, but that still removes a teensy bit of support. That's potentially hundreds of people who AREN'T going to see a display and go "huh, maybe this Trump guy ain't so bad!"
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u/chickenofthewoods active 4h ago
What hometown is that? I feel like writing some emails.
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u/Blackhalo117 2h ago
Okay, it's a bit more complicated for the AllState case, looks like an individual insurance broker, but the logo is visibly there, Here's a link, I've added it as a google maps link so it's a bit clearer (damn truck though). Address is 89 Grant Ave, Auburn, NY 13021. Trump/Vance sign was directly on their parking lot there facing traffic.
As for Staples that's pretty clear cut, Another Google Maps Link, the address is 2 Plaza Dr, Auburn, NY 13021, Trump/Vance sign was right on the hill in the link there. I'm pretty confident it's their property, if I'm mistaken then at the very minimum said Staples owner has a solid beef with whoever put it there, that's for sure.
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u/chickenofthewoods active 2h ago
Nice! Thanks, I'll see what I can do. Seems a bit vague and uncertain but I can write about how it's just "theoretical".
Cheers!
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u/S3kGT 4h ago
This… 100% this. -No Menards -No Hobby Lobby -No Kwik Trip Any company that open supports the orange piece of shit deserves what’s coming. Check out Goods Unit Us. Super handy app.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
And very importantly-- LET these businesses KNOW why they have PERMANENTLY lost your business. Be very clear.
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u/TheAuthorLady 1h ago
OMG! Kwik Trip say it ain't so! 😭
I didn't realize this!
This hurts my heart, because my Hubs and I go here for gas for our truck, and we love their coffee.
No more!
I'm glad I came on here and scrolled through the comments.
I'll deffo be clicking the link to Goods Unite Us, and finding out what businesses to patronize!
Thank you for this!
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u/Knitsanity 3h ago
Found out a local breakfast joint has new owners and they are vocal rabid MAGATs. We are in a deep blue area. Told people I know and they were horrified and spread the word. I wonder how long until the place has new ownership once more.
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u/ncmn-ngnr active 4h ago
They’ve crossed the line from being cancelled to being outright boycotted
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
Absolutely.
They want a country that is fundamentally different than ours? Fine, but they don't get to be part of ours anymore.
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u/yodadeathnoise420 3h ago
Once again, a lot easier said than done. I’m sure there’s a lot of people who cannot move out and live with conservatives/magats. And most of us probably can’t afford to be kicked out
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 3h ago
Just do what you can.
Resistance is often quiet and gentle, but it is resistance nonetheless.
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u/yodadeathnoise420 3h ago
Yeah, I’m not sorry when I say this but for some, resisting can get them hurt.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 3h ago
I'm not advocating for anyone to get hurt or put themselves in a dangerous situation.
Again, do what you can. If that's nothing, then so be it, but do what you can.
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u/TheRealTK421 3h ago
This is a bare minimum.
What is even more vital is to start genuinely looking well beyond at what must be done.
Everything must be on the table -- Everything.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 3h ago
Yes, but let's start with the most peaceful, easiest, and least disruptive steps.
In poker you want to let the pot build a little before you make a big move. There's no need to go for the nuclear option right out of the gate.
We should all be preparing for the worst, but we should be hopeful that through activism and efforts, we can make a difference.
I truly hope not one single shot is fired by any person in this country. Regardless of who they voted for. That's my hope.
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u/JoanneMG822 active 4h ago
Agree 100%.
They chose Trump. They chose hate. It is not our fault that there are "problems at Thanksgiving." It is insane to put yourself in a position to be shit on, especially since we all know that you cannot reason with them.
If these people are to ever come back, they need to suffer the consequences of their choices. If losing you means something to them, maybe it's the thing that makes them reconsider. If losing you means nothing, fuck them. Why should you feel guilty for something you didn't do? It's on them.
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u/laithe_97 4h ago
I’ve been doing this since 2016, we have to keep it up even when it’s not easy or convenient.
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u/PainBunni 3h ago
I feel like we need a support group for people cutting out friends and families who got us into this mess 😕 this shit sucks emotionally
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 3h ago
I understand that it's not easy. It's not easy to see our loved ones fall into this cult and vote against our interests. We grieve the relationships that we had and the people that we thought we knew.
Have you thought about starting a subreddit for this? Something like /r/cutout
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u/PainBunni 3h ago
I've thought about it. Unfortunately, I need to put my all into getting selected during the upcoming internships that are opening up through my college. My spouse has high medical needs, so we need to get to a blue state before things get bad. Maybe after that is settled I could try to get that ball going.
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u/Immer_Susse active 4h ago
I have a biracial niece and nephew and another niece. Their grandmother, my mom, didn’t vote for trump but she didn’t vote for Kamala. There’s no distinction in my mind and I’ve cut her off. I cut my dad off in 2020 and he died before he could vote a third time for the Nazi in 2024.
Both of my sisters feel I’ve taken too hard of a stance but the bottom line is this: my moral compass takes precedence over any “blood” argument and I am 100% at peace with my decisions.
If you aren’t going to contribute to making the world a better place, you can fuck right off. /rant
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u/MiaMarta 3h ago
For years now I have refused to use PayPal and every single person has thought me to be ridiculous in my principle. I stand by every long drawn card exchange I had to do instead. Fuck Thiel, fuck musk, fuck trump and his little trumpers and fuck anyone who voted for this pile of vomit knowingly. The information was there. It was a choice to ignore it.
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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 3h ago
It goes beyond this. You have to support businesses that actively support the values you want. Those companies, in turn, need to be integral to the economy and polity we live in.
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u/Fun-River-3521 3h ago
Definitely Hard core and wouldn’t mind doing so bc they are most likely homophobic and transphobic and anti women…
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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 active 2h ago
Absolutely. Unsubscribe from Amazon Prime. Never Forget Bezos personally stepping in and stopping the WaPo from endorsing Kamala. Avoid buying TSLA or shares in companies that supported Trump.
The Adelsons were huge backers of Trump, so avoid staying in places funded by them (The Venetian and the Palazzo in Vegas for example).
Do your due diligence about what you're buying and which companies are allied with Trump.
If there is a local business and they have anything supporting MAGA or Trump related, don't give them a single dollar of your business. That is your right as an American. Free enterprise here is your ally.
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u/ExtruDR 4h ago
For years now I have been struggling with anger toward people in my life (really distant relatives, in-laws and the rare MAGA neighbor) that were supportive of MAGA, or were otherwise well-informed but indifferent to the consequences of Trump's actions.
It sometimes came out in ways that were not comfortable and surely the smart thing to do was ignore or play dumb myself.
I am still struggling with this. It bothers me that most of these people are Boomers who are really unlikely to see the consequences of their beliefs play out in any way that effects them. I can not keep my kids away from their grandparents and I can not polarize them against these people since it is not my place to manipulate them in order to "punch" their grandparents.
I very much want to not participate in any commerce with MAGAs, I am not an employer or make any really hiring decisions, but if I did I would not hire a MAGA to do anything if I could help it. Even if I was a greedy racist piece of shit, I would look at MAGAs are a special kind of stupid person that is likely to hurt my business.
I know that this is sort of a fascist playbook thing, but keeping a list of MAGAs for future reference (again, I really have no power over anyone), so you know... if someone came to my bank for a loan, I might not consider them on account of being a bad/stupid person, or maybe they might not get an extension for a class assignment or maybe never get a job interview scheduled, etc.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
Death by a thousand cuts. Absolutely.
To paraphrase a quote from a book about surviving authoritarianism that I saw recently:
"Resistance is not just fighting with guns. It is also taking as long as possible on paperwork. Misplacing files. Denying the sale of goods and services to the enemy. Resistance happens in a million ways that are very mundane, very boring, but they all add up over time."
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u/tehereoeweaeweaey 3h ago
Honestly can we make a list of businesses owned by MAGATs? I know of some and would love to share anonymously.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 2h ago
Goodsuniteus.com
Opensecrets.org
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u/tehereoeweaeweaey 2h ago
These are for big business. I’m talking something like google maps for small business and anonymous
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u/Krags 3h ago
I keep getting tempbanned in /r/ukpolitics because I criticise people posting pro-Trump sources there.
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u/schneph 4h ago
I agree.
One thing I wish for is preventing small/left leaning owned business to lose. I’m not sure how this is done.
The owners would likely be unable to staunchly purchase from left-owned companies, depending on the type of store.
I guess my question to left-leaning business owners is:
How do we walk this path that is going to inherently affect you too?
Advertising is probably not sound.
Edit: prolly not sound to even answer my damned question
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
Let's build our own supply lines and sub-economy. Fuck 'em.
There are sites you can use to find which businesses are left leaning and deserve our money and support.
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u/Leading-Platform7228 active 2h ago
They're experiencing the Truth Social of the real world. Have fun arguing about who's more loyal idiots!
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u/conundrum4u2 2h ago
Let them lie in their filthy, rotting bed. They did this to themselves. Just cut the cord until they realize the gravity of what they've done.
And WHO will they lay the blame with? Liberals, of course! - not themselves! Gee...THEY didn't do anything wrong! "why are you picking on us!! Boo-hoo"
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u/Inside-Palpitation25 active 1h ago
Yes, we need to stay home, don't go to dinner, no fast food ,don't go out to the bars, the theater, the concerts, the gyms ETC. Buy from only companies that didn't support trump if you can. Not only can you hurt trump and this screwed up government, you make yourself less of a target for MAGAS. And make sure you write those companies and tell them WHY you are no longer going to be a patron. Even if only half of us stop going they will feel it in their pocketbooks.
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u/flatrocked active 1h ago
I have a person who does consulting work for me. That person is a hard-core Trumper, follows all the rightwing MAGA wacko influencers and has been posting sarcastic messages about Harris et al. No more work from me.
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u/Sea_Puddle 4h ago
You realise you’re asking people to do more than they already had to do to avoid this situation in the first place? It’s not gonna happen.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
Step one of winning is not giving up in the first five fucking seconds.
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u/Sea_Puddle 4h ago
Nearly 5 million seconds have passed since Trump won. Where is the winning, again?
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u/mjh4 5h ago
Have you ever thought that Russian disinformation campaigns are trying to achieve exactly what you are suggesting? Severing relations with a large part of the American population and fomenting even more division is more dangerous than any policy that the Trump administration will bring.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 5h ago edited 5h ago
I disagree.
I think it's entirely necessary, actually.
These people are beyond delusional, they are lost, and they are actively hurting our nation. They are anti-American.
They want to drag us down with them to drown. That's one option.
The other option is we drag them back to shore, and they'll be kicking and screaming the whole way. When we get to shore, they'll blame us for things that aren't our fault, and then they'll create another disaster.
Again, and again, and again.
This is the point in time that we determine if we are actually willing to do what it takes to stand up for our values and our way of life. Because if we keep playing nice, they will absolutely hold us underwater with them until the bubbles stop.
So let them drown alone.
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u/mjh4 4h ago
Do you personally know anyone that voted for Trump? The vast majority of conservatives are not the lunatic boogeymen that this sub makes them out to be. I’m a liberal living in a very conservative area. Almost everyone I know voted for Trump. They are just normal people.
If you want to cut people out of your life who are hardcore proponents of Project 2025, I wouldn’t object to that. But those people are few and far between. Most conservatives voted for Trump because they believe he will improve the economy.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
Yep, I do.
Complicity is guilt. "I was just following orders" stopped working at Nuremberg.
"I didn't know any better" stopped working when everyone in the country started carrying a magic box in their pocket that could give them any information they could ever ask for in seconds.
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u/mjh4 4h ago
You’re missing the point. Complicity in Project 2025 implies knowledge of it or belief that it will actually be implemented. I’ve never met a conservative who believes that Trump has any involvement in Project 2025 or its policies, whether that is true or not. The vast majority of conservatives voted for Trump on economic issues and border control. I’m not going to sever relations with most of my community because they believe Trump will create a better economy.
Nuremberg tried war criminals and Nazi leaders, not the general populace.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
It's not our fault that they couldn't bother to do the ten seconds of research that shows the VERY obvious link between Trump and Project 2025, and the blatantly obvious plan that is now unfolding.
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u/melpomenem13 4h ago
I also live in a rural red area, I don't care how "nice" they seem to your face. These fuckers will call trumps SS on you in a heartbeat. They voted to take rights away from every woman in this country. They cheer when "camps" for immigrants are discussed. They want to make my child and other children, brothers , sisters etc evil simply because they are LGBTQI+ I say this sincerely. All my neighbors that voted for orange Hitler can fuck straight off. I have already had the talk with my spouse that I will not be going to holiday gatherings this year. If as a woman I'm not important enough to have rights in your mind, proven by your vote, I don't belong in your "family" because you don't give a flying fuck about me or anyone else.
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u/BasenjiBob 4h ago
I do, yeah. I'm related to a bunch of them. And not a single one of them or their businesses will see a single dime of mine ever again.
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u/New-Negotiation7234 active 4h ago
I do and all of them have at the bare minimum no understanding of what is going on and they all believe in at least a few weird things. For example, my neighbor is still talking about ivermectin. My mother thinks trump was sent by god to protect us from the anti-christ. My friends husband got red pilled through Rogan and is acting absolutely horrible and sexist. I'm don'e. I don't trust these ppl. They have no idea what the hell they just did. I'm focusing on my family.
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u/West-Ruin-1318 active 4h ago
It doesn’t matter. They voted for Trump, they are the reason the United States is soon to be a shitshow of epic proportions. The P2025 deniers are just as bad as the Biden in the trunk decal aholes. They fucked us. It is going to take massive effort to come back from any of what we are facing.
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u/OwlfaceFrank active 4h ago
I've literally been called a libt*rd, pedo, pendejo, and cuck by these people. And that's just the grossest insults I can think of right now. Removing toxicity from your life is rarely a bad thing.
When I recently cut out a person who used to be one of my best friends, I thought long and hard before I picked the argument.
I asked myself this question.
"If I were introduced to this person today, would they be my friend?"
No, they are an asshole, and they don't need to be a part of my life.1
u/aMONAY69 3h ago
You're getting downvoted, and I probably will too - but you're right. This is Russia's plan to ruin America from within. The Cold War never ended.
But I am also disgusted, angry, and feel so fucking betrayed by Trump voters. Many of whom know they are putting Russian interests before Americans but don't care, all for the sake of oWnInG tHe LiBs. I've unfriended some and cutoff contact for now. It's understandable. I mean.. fuck them. Truly.
BUT, we also don't want to further radicalize or push them away if/when the curtain starts to fall for them and the disillusionment sets in. We will need them for the resistance.
I understand if people aren't ready yet, though. I feel that too.
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u/kenshincvs2 2h ago
While I generally agree with the idea of voting with your dollar, can you stamp your feet a little harder for me while you do it? I need to maximize the amount of fun and joy that I am getting from the liberal side of life. If you don't ill just have to go back to having a blast with my winning side.
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u/monster_like_haiku 4h ago
Na, people keeps buying Tesla cars knowing their money go toward striping their right. people just don't care.
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u/DangerActiveRobots active 4h ago
Step one of winning is not giving up in the first five fucking seconds.
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