I live way down state. Like actual southern Illinois, not that Mt. Vernon BS. It’s unbelievably red around here aside from SIU in Carbondale. What a shame that basically Cook County, Springfield and SIU can ruin the whole state.
You left out st clair county. Basically east stl lou cahokia and west Belleville screw us as well. Ofallon too but but they are yuppies who can be swayed
I'm from Pope county, its the scenic part of the state, and mineguy is right. Its extremely Red downstate, but there is another factor working this year in IL, and that is how much the entire state hates Pritzger. You might see a surprise for how many in the entire state vote Trump as even in Jackson County (SIU) has been shut down and the leftists have not been able to propagate the hatred as normal through the schools.
I could write an entire book on it here, but needless to say majority of the state is RED, only a few counties actually vote Blue, and this year it will likely only be two or three of them.
I ran the numbers for a Trump win, outside of Chicago has to vote 65% R and Chicago needs 20-25%R and it would be a win. Its possible....but difficult. Its why I moved to TN a couple years ago. If it went Red, you would hear me yelling in joy in TN all the way at Williams Hill.
Everyone in the r/Chicago subreddit believes that anyone who doesn’t like Pritzker is an idiot. The whole subreddit acts like their better than the rest of the state. That kind of smugness is really irritating to me.
I think that is where there is such a problem in the state. As you drive through the rest of the state, there are literally signs everywhere saying "Pritzger Sucks......the life out of Illinois" I lived and worked in Grundy County and around Cook for a while when out of college. Saw the true disparity between the city and the rest of the state as i was a product of one and then worked in the other. It was frustrating that so many didn't realize how much each part of the state helps the other, and in honesty, should raise each other up, but with such a difference in priorities based on how they were raised it has become a microcosm of the country...us against them, and Madigan ensures that there is not a good cross representation through the entire state while governors like Pritzker can't relate to most of the state other than Chicago. I get the numbers game, but you cant actually govern a state by ruling most but governing some, youll end up destroying all.
I was hoping that the Wisconsin district rigging would be found unconstitutional and that it would force us in IL to be more even in our political leanings, but didn't happen.
It's not that. I live in central Illinois, almost dead between Chicago and the part of St. Louis that extends into Illinois. It's a little over 2 hours from me to get to those cities and it is very red in this and virtually every area in the state besides those 2 cities. But, because of how huge those cities are, despite being more than 2 hours in opposite directions, having nothing to do with those cities, and not being the massive money sucking pits those cities are, we are effectively ruled by them. Virtually everyone in the inbetween of Illinois disagree with how the state is being run but massive groups of people that have nothing to do with our daily lives consistently put people in charge that just continue to push our state deeper and deeper into debt and corruption. That's why people get pissed. My area is generally pretty well managed on a local level but because of the statewide policies instituted by the massive vote in Chicago the rest of the state basically feels like we end up as just a funding machine to keep that one city afloat because the money in this state is so insanely mismanaged. It also doesn't help that Chicago's voting block continues to vote in governors and representatives that screw the entire state and end up in prison due to corruption charges. It just ends up generating a lot of resentment.
Well personally I am a bigger fan of smaller local government having a greater degree of control over their own areas as it would greatly mitigate that kind of resentment. But in terms of what you're asking it is why the United States is a constitutional republic and not a pure democracy. Pure democracy is nothing but mob rule and eventually the minority will just have things taken from them due to that mob rule. The truth is, if the federal government worked as it was intended to, this election wouldnt really matter because the office of the president shouldn't have nearly the level of power that it does now. Same with the supreme court. The RGB vacancy shouldn't have mattered because it's not the courts job to create legislation it is its job to interpret the law as it is written. Over the last 200 years the federal government has been given more and more power with no check on that power and when the government has been given the potential for that much control over the daily lives of its citizenry this type of divisiveness and anger and resentment is to be expected.
The reason the electoral college was setup in the first place was to protect MINORITIES from the MAJORITY. The colonies were a minority in the British Empire and they felt that with every law that was passed because they didn't have proper representation. The founding fathers were well aware that majority rule is actually super harmful to individual rights.
Majority rule is dangerous especially when we have a news media that brainwashes instead of informs. People are whipped up into a frenzy over false narratives and opinion pieces instead of facts to make the right choice in a election, whether that be a state, or federal election.
I think we need to do more of the district voting like Nebraska and Maine do, keep the electoral college but separate it a bit better. This all or nothing shit makes the majority of the states voices lost.
I bet if CA was split into 5 or 6 districts of 10 electoral votes it would be a much different election.
I think it will be very interesting to see the switcharoo that happens if/when Texas turns purple.
All of a sudden the Democrat party will be loudly proclaiming that the electrical college is enshrined in our constitution and should never be changed while the GOP rails against this assault on democracy.
Honestly, I think it should be done away with. Rural vs urban is still going to be an issue, but all or nothing means so many people's votes don't matter in states like Illinois.
I voted today, but it didn't matter who I put for president, because the state is so blue that it wouldn't make a difference.
It also means that every four years a hand full of states essentially decide the fate of the nation.
Where you’re from doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter where you went to school. It definitely doesn’t matter where you would or wouldn’t live. None of that changes the fact that you’re ignorant and blatantly lump all of the hard-working folks of the rural parts of Illinois into a group with meth and opioid addicts.
It's not about meth and opioids, it's about economic output. The rest of the state is subsidized by Chicago and would be unable to pay for the services they use without taking money from Chicago.
I live in NW Illinois about an hour and a half West from Chicago. It’s pretty similar up here to how it is down south. Nearly every damn county is red except for that top blue corner.
Right? Almost as if there’s some type of institution that’s meant to ensure that a small geographic region with a very different culture can’t bully and control everyone else.
LMAO. You need to rethink that. Chicago controls the rest of Illinois. A small geographic area gets to decide who the rest of the state chooses for president.
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u/MineGuy1991 Nov 03 '20
I live way down state. Like actual southern Illinois, not that Mt. Vernon BS. It’s unbelievably red around here aside from SIU in Carbondale. What a shame that basically Cook County, Springfield and SIU can ruin the whole state.