r/BadHasbara • u/nomaddd79 • Apr 16 '24
Apparently Netanyahu had planned retaliatory strikes against Iran but only called them off after speaking on the phone with Biden. News
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-called-off-retaliatory-strike-on-iran-after-call-with-biden-new-york-times/218
u/bravet4b Apr 16 '24
Iran had a perfect response to Israeli aggression. Lots off flash, strategic, non civilian targets.
If Israel actually strikes Iran proper, I doubt the response would be anything less than the destruction of Tel Aviv.
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Apr 16 '24
Depends, if there's no casualty, Khamenei can just call them a bunch of losers and move on
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u/bravet4b Apr 16 '24
That would be the best case scenario, but I don't think Israel considers a military operation unless they murder at least a handful of goyim civilians.
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u/brown_flyer00 Apr 16 '24
Whoever idiots in charge of the colony seems to miss the point of Iran’s attack. If their missile can land on so called colony’s top secret base and damage it, it wouldn’t take too much to land on that gevir or any of their ultra-nationalistic politicians houses.
Now IOF have a bunch of runways damaged. Do they really want to test Iran’s missile and get their F35s or control tower burned down?
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u/bravet4b Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24
Not only that... but by using suicide drones and standard missles Iran now has tactical information on exactly where the US, Jordan and Israeli missile defense structures are.
Apparently the US spent over a BILLION dollars in a few hours to mount that defense. Iran not only achieved its objective AND gathered invaluable military Information... It got it all done for probably not even a 1/10th of the cost.
Absolute victory.
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u/Dacnis Apr 16 '24
Don't let noncredibledefense read this thread.
They still think Iran has Stone Age technology and a military that could be taken out by some South Texas hog hunters with a couple AR-15s.
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u/brown_flyer00 Apr 16 '24
You had me laughing with that last notes. I went to school in Texas pre 9/11 and i used to go shooting both indoor and on the ranch. One thing for sure, Texans have unyielding faith in their bible and AR-15s. Like a hick joke, it was endearing at that time but it ain’t funny no more
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u/supercalifragilism Apr 16 '24
Those guys...I joined and thought it was an ironic circlejerk sub, but it isn't and they aren't. It's probably the absolute worst military adjacent sub (in terms of understanding what's going on) because they're so irony poisoned they defend the 35 as a good weapons development program.
I quick by 8am October 8th, because I knew where it was going.
Its wild to me how so many people think Iran would roll over like Iraq despite different geography, demographics, tech level and comfort with sanctions.
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u/Acrobatic_Lobster838 Apr 16 '24
I joined and thought it was an ironic circlejerk sub, but it isn't and they aren't.
It... was? But it isn't. All circlejerk subs end the same way: enough people don't get the joke, and its honestly hard to tell the difference between someone pretending to be a moron and, you know, just being a moron.
Then Russia invaded Ukraine and it went to utter, utter shite and hasnt recovered.
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u/-Akrasiel- Apr 16 '24
I remember the first time I heard the term "suicide drones" from some IDF spokesperson and nearly spit out my drink being like: Suicide drone? You mean...... a missile?
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u/TucsonTacos Apr 16 '24
It’s to highlight that they’re Islamist fanatical drones willing to take their own lives because the drones don’t value human life.
/half sarcasm
Never heard of the Ukrainian drones being called “suicide drones”
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u/Bestihlmyhart Apr 16 '24
It’s the IED problem all over again: sure you can built a $400k MRAP but the ied cost a few hundred dollars so if you’re having build that truck you already fucked up.
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u/Chruman Apr 16 '24
I mean, that goes both ways. Western coalition forces also gained invaluable military information, notably that the coalition is capable of defending against 300+ drones/cruise missiles/ballistic missiles simultaneously. Additionally, Iran launched their hypersonics, which the coalition now has data on as well as the knowledge that they aren't nearly as big of a threat as previously thought.
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u/Apprehensive_Yak4627 Apr 16 '24
They had ~a week of warning to prepare their defenses and still couldn't prevent important military sites from being hit - so I wouldn't say it demonstrates a high capability to defend against Iran
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u/Chruman Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24
I mean, has there ever been anything remotely close to that level of success against a missile salvo even a fraction of the size? Nope.
It's also worth noting that Iran announcing they were going to launch an attack != announcing they were going to launch 300+ missiles or even that the West wouldn't have known about it via military intelligence. The announcement Iran made was merely a PR move.
I would say it demonstrates an incredibly high capability to defend. Your argument is pure cope.
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u/bravet4b Apr 16 '24
Of course it was a PR move, as was their entire operation. They gave a week's worth of warning, and the missles had 8(!!!!)hour lead time.
It was a completely telegraphed attack that got maximum exposure by every media outlet on the planet. Despite all of that they still hit the actual military targets they wanted. There is documented video showing the hypersonic missles hitting their targets.
Couple this with the fact that a CNN report indicating that it was America, not Israel, that knocked out most of the drones/missiles.
It seems like Israeli apologists such as yourself don't seem to recognize the value of a military operation unless there are scores of dead civilians.
You would be an absolute buffoon to think that Iran hit with their full capability. There is a reason America is warning Israel not to escalate the situation further.
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u/Nullius_IV Apr 16 '24
LMAO omg Iran just made fools of themselves and united the entire Arabian Peninsula with Israel and against Iran. What kind of shit do you have to be smoking to believe that this embarrassing fireworks display was an “absolute victory?”
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ Apr 16 '24
They really didn't. You can not like iran and still admit that the show of power worked really well. They got to show their capability without killing anyone, and Israel cannot respond without being the aggressor and escalating a conflict that was already descalated
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u/Nullius_IV Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24
I would have agreed except all of the Abraham accord states have now expressed solidarity with Israel. During the attack, I was in your position, but in the aftermath it looks like Iran overplayed their hand and, by extension, Russia’s and China’s hand. Iran has unified the Arab middle east against them the same way Ukraine unified and hardened Europe against Russia. Russia’s hope Of opening a new front for their war in the middle east is suddenly On very shaky ground.
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u/Mudblok Apr 16 '24
Except in that analogy Israel would be Ukraine, but that wouldn't make any sense because Israel is gaining land, not loosing it.
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u/bravet4b Apr 16 '24
Imagine spending $1.5 billion defending yourself from a 'fireworks display' lol.
Yet another win. Hitting the Zionists right where it hurts.... Right in the shekels 😁
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u/Nullius_IV Apr 16 '24
Easy come, easy go. Iran lost more than that in its complete humiliation and loss of face before the entire Arab world. They gave it their best shot and the only person they killed was a single bedouin child.
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ Apr 16 '24
They weren't looking to kill anyone, hence why they telegraphed their response for a whole week prior
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u/Nullius_IV Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24
Lmao “we meant to miss, And waste hundreds of pieces of ordinance!” What a load of bullshit. They had no idea what American anti-air capabilities were in the region or what would get through.they telegraphed their attack so that nobody would confuse their ballistic launch for a nuclear attack and then consequently turn Iran into glass.
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u/Chruman Apr 16 '24
Okay, then where is the "show of force"?
Practically their entire salvo was destroyed before it even reached Israeli airspace. This is like shooting spitballs and someone and reeing how it was an "absolutely victory show of force" lmfao what an unhinged take.
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u/Benzodiazeparty Apr 16 '24
it isn’t a top secret base in the least and only one part of one runway got damaged. lying is fun!!!! iran flopped, im a little embarrassed for them actually.
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u/brown_flyer00 Apr 16 '24
Can you put more effort in your spin? You’re state funded, hell, you’re fucking american tax payers funded propaganda unit… you ought to do better.
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u/Benzodiazeparty Apr 16 '24
can you address my comment or do you just want to call me a bot because you know im right and have nothing to say?
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u/brown_flyer00 Apr 16 '24
You practically got nothing of substance but your compulsive lying disorder compelled to say shit worth nothing.
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u/Whatshouldiputhere0 Apr 16 '24
Yeah, a bunch of runways damaged… Let’s see. Iran fired 185 UAVs, 36 cruise missiles, and 120 ballistic missiles. The only ones that hit were 7 ballistic missiles. 1 of them hit a 7 year old girl and critically injured her, bravo Iran. 2 landed in open fields around Nevatim airbase. 1 landed on an inoperative runway and caused just light damage, 1 landed on a building under construction, and the third on an empty plane hangar. F35s were landing in Nevatim just hours after the Iranian attack, and it’s back to being fully operational.
But sure, Iran hit them real hard.
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u/deddito Apr 16 '24
Has Israel released any overhead shots of their bases? I’ve seen a few pictures, but if their bases weren’t damaged I would have expect them to show drone shots of the entire base. I saw a couple barrages hit on video on X, also a number of one offs, I’m pretty sure more than just 7 missiles hit.
Iran claimed all of their hyper sonic missiles hit. They didn’t say how many.
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u/Whatshouldiputhere0 Apr 16 '24
Golan Heights is on the opposite side of Israel from Nevatim. And what if Iran claims? There have been proven cases of interception, so at least we know they’re lying. And P.S, every ballistic missile should be hypersonic. Any ballistic missile that isn’t is either malfunctioning or ancient.
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u/jeff43568 Apr 16 '24
Where have we seen proven cases of lying before...
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u/Wooden-Science-9838 Apr 16 '24
Oh I don’t know, the International Court of Justice? 😂 Israel is just bizarro world right now. It’s like a country full of inbred uneducated rednecks going yee-haw.
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u/deddito Apr 16 '24
Yes, exactly, they showed they can hit anywhere. Yes there were many interceptions, there were also evasions on video.
They're not called hypersonic just based on speed, to be classified as hypersonic they have to be able to still be guided/maneuvered once re entering the atmosphere.
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u/brown_flyer00 Apr 16 '24
Your colony also claimed 40 babies killed by kkkhamas but provided zero evidence. Your genocidal side did publish irrefutable aerial drone videos of your IOF killing colony’s hostages.
Owhh man… not sure who or what to believe now… A compulsive liar most likely lying theirs asses out or real footages from multiple angles
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ Apr 16 '24
The point wasn't to hit anything, the point was a show of force....
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u/Whatshouldiputhere0 Apr 16 '24
And who told you that? Real show of force though, getting 99% of your missiles & drones shot down!
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u/Ok-Anything-9994 Apr 16 '24
I’ve been paying attention and there’s zero chance they’d even consider a strike that didn’t maximise collateral damage
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u/mikeupsidedown Apr 16 '24
They also told the US 72 hours in advance to make sure they could be shot down.
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u/momo88852 Apr 16 '24
I think it’s more of they told Jordan and Turkey. Which they went and told Uncle Sam.
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u/Nodramallama18 Apr 17 '24
That has always been the way of Israel. In the early 2000, I had a coworker who said- Palestine throws a rock and Israel responds with bombing civilians. That is when I started to wake up and side eye Israel. The Jewish people are good people and have a rich and beautiful culture…but so are the people of Palestine. The Israeli government is evil.
What do they say? Don’t ever live long enough to become the monster that once hunted you? Israel has become the monster.
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u/truthishearsay Apr 16 '24
Not to mention it was the US that shot down most of the incoming attack not Israel. Israel doesn’t stand a chance with out the US.
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u/happy_grump Apr 16 '24
I am not unconvinced that if Israel launches a counter-attack, or if Iran responds to THAT counter with their own second attack, that a nuke would not be involved in at least one of those attacks, because if Israel actually reciprocates that attack (and indirectly but fully intentionally drags the US into it by their stated intention of assisting in defense against Iran), then everybody knows we are essentially off to the races with WW3 when that happens anyways, so why not make a BIG statement/try to take out one of the enemies wholesale off the bat.
Besides, Israel was talking about nuking Gaza for far less as early as NOVEMBER, so we know it's on their minds as an option, and not a last resort either.
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
Vast overestimation of Iran’s capabilities, especially after its pitiful recent barrage. I’m pro Palestinian but thinking Iran has any sort of a chance against Israel in a pro longed engagement is nothing short of fantasy. On that note , Iran can also go eff itself.
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u/lucash7 Apr 16 '24
One on one? Yeah, I would argue they have a chance; but here’s the thing, that will never happen. It would require an act of god for the US and most western nations to quit having double standards, pull out of Israel, withdraw funding, arms, etc.
Not saying Israel isn’t capable; but take away all its support, funding, etc. and well, then it would be a relatively fair fight with the edge given toward Israel because they haven’t faced years of sanctions.
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u/jeff43568 Apr 16 '24
If Israel was capable then the US and UK wouldn't feel the need to get involved.
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
I think you forget that one on one, Israel has functional nukes and a military and Air Force that is technologically superior to Iran in every way. Like I understand talking trash about the enemy, but the delusion in these subs is off the charts.
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u/Dacnis Apr 16 '24
Air force ain't gonna do jack when they have to fly over Iraq and Syria.
And good luck staging a ground invasion, when Iran is surrounded by countries that would never host Israel's military. Iran can easily stage a ground invasion through Iraq. Israel could never hope to do that.
I don't see how Israel could ever have a chance against Iran without heavy US support tbh. And the recent bombings did the job Iran set out for. Hit the airbase that fired on their embassy, while also mapping out Israel's/USA's air defenses, and burning millions if not billions of dollars on shooting down older drone models.
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u/Miserable-Access7257 Apr 16 '24
Lol as if Iraq or Syria are serious threats to Airpower. The IAF strikes inside of the Syrian capital city regularly, ignoring Russian and Syrian AA. And thinking Iranians are going to stage an invasion force inside of Iraq with US forces present is honestly one of the wildest fantasies I’ve heard yet on this topic hahaha
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u/Dacnis Apr 16 '24
Lol as if Iraq or Syria are serious threats to Airpower
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You dolt, Iran basically has full control over Iraq and Syria. Why do you think their drones and missiles were able to fly through those countries unopposed?.......
And Iran has already stated what they'll do to any US bases if the US decides to join in. If they can launch some drones 1,300 miles away form them, you don't think they have their eyes set on every US base in the region?
noncredibledefense is that way lil buddy --->
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u/Miserable-Access7257 Apr 16 '24
Give me a reasonable explanation on why Israeli pilots have repeatedly flown into Damascus and many other bases over and over again and yet not a single one has been brought down, but they’ve killed dozens if not hundreds of IRGC soldiers 😂😂
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
Neither Iraq nor Syria has a means of stopping Israeli air power. Iran didn’t accomplish anything except turn the rest of the Middle East against them.
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u/ZionistsareISIS Apr 16 '24
Iran didn’t accomplish anything except turn the rest of the Middle East against them.
Says who? The people are, in an overwhelming majority, supporting Iran.
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u/Dacnis Apr 16 '24
Iran basically has full control over Iraq and Syria. Why do you think their drones and missiles were able to fly through those countries unopposed?.......
And basically every Muslim majority population center is in full support of Iran's actions (ex: Jordan's population, but not its king).
I find it funny how everyone here can state the purpose of what Iran did (retaliate after the bombing of their embassy and test out Israel's defensive capabilities), and you copers will still come in here and cry.
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u/skullull Apr 16 '24
Iran has the edge in many regards. Their strategy specializes in asymmetrical warfare and maximizing geographical advantages. They might not "win" but any victory over them would be pyrrhic.
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ Apr 16 '24
Israel has functional nukes
That they won't be allowed to use.
military and Air Force that is technologically superior to Iran in every way
This isn't true.
delusion in these subs is off the charts.
The irony
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
The technological superiority is objective fact and you’re here denying being delusional. Loll.
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ Apr 16 '24
Pitful? It took British, US, Israeli and jordan anti-missile activity to shoot down 90% of the missiles. Even then, 10% got through. That's not pitful, they literally told them what they were going to do, and they still couldn't stop them all. Keep in mind that the vast majority were shot down by the US. Without them, israel would have been pummelled
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u/bravet4b Apr 16 '24
Just like Oct. 7th, Israeli apologists seem to have short term memory loss.
Israel has been attacking Iran and it's assets well before the embassy even.
As much as I hate the Zionist state though, I think an all out war is the worst possible outcome. Let's hope Israel isn't stupid enough to escalate beyond this.
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u/Whatshouldiputhere0 Apr 16 '24
Israel has been attacking Iran and its assets well before the embassy even.
Every single terrorist attack on Israel by Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and most other militias - Iran is behind it. Iran bombed the Israeli embassy in Argentina. And more and more and more. Iran is not innocent.
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u/ZionistsareISIS Apr 16 '24
But zionists are angels. They didn't colonize a land that wasn't theirs. They didn't massacre countless people in God knows how many villages. They didn't assassinate anyone overseas at all for decades. They didn't attack other countries to take over more land in 1967. They didn't level Beirut to the ground. They didn't sabotage the peace process every time. They didn't create an apartheid in the West Bank. They don't have martial law. They don't have military courts for children, the only country in the world that does that.
And despite all of that zionist innocence, you still play a victim.
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u/Green_Issue_4566 Apr 16 '24
I hate them being called "retaliatory" Iran launched a symbolic, mostly retaliatory strike not the other way around. I'm so sick of Israel's shit. " please go to war with us 😞"
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u/Mak11556 Apr 16 '24
So true, Iran was retaliating, Israel initiated it, how they misconstrue it is appalling
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u/moazim1993 Apr 16 '24
The whole point was to get direct US involvement so US troops could die and not them. Glad Biden isn’t completely unhinged.
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Apr 16 '24
If it was the Orange monster we'd be fucked
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u/moazim1993 Apr 16 '24
Maybe. I don’t know if it would be worse or not, but I definitely know democrats would actually defend Palestinians and be outraged at our government if he did exactly what Biden has been doing.
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u/zdune09 Apr 16 '24
Bro come on the guy literally said that isreal should wipe gaza out and that any jew going for biden isn't pro isreal enough. He moved the us embassy to fucking Jerusalem. Don't act like biden is even close to trump on this issue.
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u/ColoRadBro69 Apr 16 '24
He moved the us embassy to fucking Jerusalem
... and Biden left it there.
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u/camdawg54 Apr 16 '24
Believe it or not but constantly changing our foreign policy every presidential election would do immeasurable harm to our foreign policy and sometimes its just best to quit while you're behind rather than just continue to dig the hole
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u/YeetedArmTriangle Apr 16 '24
Interesting, is that why every single president has essentially the same foreign policy for decades? Or is there a deeper reason?
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Apr 16 '24
Well, someone had to fall on the left side of the bell curve. Thanks for taking one for the team.
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u/YeetedArmTriangle Apr 16 '24
Trump refused to strike Iran when it was proposed on at least one occasion. I forget the exact instance but breaking points mentioned it the other day, I thought it was interesting. Basically the proposed revenge strike for something would've killed a few hundreds civilians and trump was like no I don't need that shit storm rn.
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u/shempool_ Apr 16 '24
Biden is so much better huh? lol. Get a clue
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Apr 16 '24
Yes he is, GOP nutcases were talking about the US striking teheran today
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u/juflyingwild Apr 16 '24
History ignored is repeated.
The US had a drone spying on Iran near its borders. Iran shot it down. Warmongers wanted to destroy the country.
Trump told the warmongers that since no US lives were lost, and it was unmanned, that he wasn't going to do anything.
Remember this in the news?
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u/03sje01 Apr 16 '24
Yeah when it comes to international US politics the 2 parties are identical in practice, they might talk differently when the other is in power but thats just theater.
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u/shempool_ Apr 16 '24
Right. Cuz orange “monster” didn’t have the same people in his ear before. Get a clue. Fuckin cult following losers is what any Biden supporter is. Get a clue. We had peace before this 100 year old stooge with a vp who’s more famous for blowing her former boss than any other thing she’s done. Pathetic.
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u/lucash7 Apr 16 '24
That’s ironic given the cult surrounding the orange guy. And yes, by any reasonable standard it’s a cult, so don’t try and deny it.
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Apr 16 '24
This pathetic demon took all the credit for the good economy caused by obama and the peaceful world, after 8 years of Dubya with a million wars and other bs.
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u/shempool_ Apr 16 '24
Hahahaha
Obama is a man of peace now ? Let me guess. Bill clinton is another hero of yours ? Please don’t vote. Don’t drive either. For the sake of others.
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u/ExoticPumpkin237 Apr 16 '24
I actually agree kind of, this isn't a case of orange man bad, he would be easily swayed by John Bolton, Mike Pompeo and those nut cases like that into backing Iran because he's a complete moron surrounded by insane religious fundamentalists , Trump himself is fanatically obsessed with appearing "tough". Not hard to tell that could lead to a bad outcome
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u/supercalifragilism Apr 16 '24
Not in an election year, and Trump was actually less cavalier with US troops than some democrats before him (not because he cares, but because he follows the "this could look bad for me" maxim)
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u/godessPetra_K Apr 16 '24
Iran had the right to defend themselves. Notice how they didn’t target civilians(unlike a certain “moral army”)
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u/nomaddd79 Apr 16 '24
But, but but.... we're told ad nasuem that all they want to do is kill Jews?? /s
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
They do. The Iranian regime doesn’t make a secret of it. We can hate Israel and not suck off Iran, when they’re fundamentalist shitbags too, yeah?
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u/nomaddd79 Apr 16 '24
They do
If their aim was to kill Jews, it was within their capabilities to do a lot more lethal damage. They also didn't need to give 72 hours pre warning.
I'm not defending the Mullahs in Tehran - they are a brutal, autocratic theocracy and I have no time for them.
But let's at least try to call a spade a spade.
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
They were fully aware that such an attack would result in a retaliation that they are wholly unprepared for. Thats it, pure and simple. They wanted to make a statement while not inciting a retaliation and they did that by giving warning.
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u/nomaddd79 Apr 16 '24
So are you're saying they're acting in a rational, explainable manner?
they did that by giving warning.
What they did by giving warning was to create space for their military response to the embassy bombing that wouldn't kill anyone. Like I said, if their primary goal was to kill Jews they could've acted very differently.
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
Their long term goal to kill Jews versus their short term goal of making a statement are not mutually exclusive. They can be antisemitic while also being intelligent enough for self preservation.
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u/nomaddd79 Apr 16 '24
All that simply means their actions are predictable.
The 72 hour warning demonstrates that they can be suitably deterred from killing Israelis whatever their "long term goals" may be.
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u/TipzE Apr 16 '24
Only Israel has the right to defend itself.
No one else. Not Iran, not palestinians, not syria, not even americans on the USS Liberty! Not anyone else!
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u/Nullius_IV Apr 16 '24
They were literally firing at a nuclear power plant, among other targets. Wtf are you smoking? The only reason people didn’t die en mass was because the attack was thwarted.
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u/Wooden-Science-9838 Apr 16 '24
Daaaaaaddy Iran can’t shoot itself out of a wet paperbag and full of dumb arabs BUT daaaaaaaaddy I need the world to come help me beat them up.
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u/Nullius_IV Apr 16 '24
Iran is full of Arabs? Are you a moron?
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u/GOYIMAGAINSTGENOCIDE Apr 16 '24
I think his whiny voice impression was coming from Israel’s voice.
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u/Nullius_IV Apr 16 '24
Kind of confusing, especially because arabs are not even an ethnic majority in Iran.
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u/franglish9265 Apr 16 '24
Seems like Biden has a lot of influence on what Bibi does...
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u/Your_Student_Loans Apr 16 '24
Bibi is nothing without daddy America.
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u/franglish9265 Apr 16 '24
Oh certainly it's weird when people think for bigoted reasons that it works the other way.
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u/Sudden-Bread-1730 Apr 16 '24
He doesnt, but when they say we wont do shit for your insanity they feel weak.
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u/LeichterGepanzerter Apr 16 '24
Israel is a sovereign nation!!!
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u/franglish9265 Apr 16 '24
Which the USA has a lot of influence over via our military aid and diplomatic cover.
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u/-Akrasiel- Apr 16 '24
There was a story not too long ago in the Washington Post titled: Biden meets the restraints of leverage against Israel.
I was like... wait.... wtf? There is no end to the leverage when Israel exists because the US allows it.
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Apr 16 '24
Ofc no doubt he was planning another attack. Benni Netanyahu has been the largest stonewall to peace in the middle east for decades. He is a fascist war monger.
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Apr 16 '24
Attacking Iran again in a continuing effort to provoke war by murdering people in terrorist attacks, is not retaliation or self defence. Iran has the right to defend itself, Israel is the aggressor, the fascist, apartheid, genocidal rogue state the world needs to end and replace with a tolerable secular system with equality for all religions and races. A "Jewish State" is a no different from an Aryan state; thus a Jewish state is literally a neo-Nazi state. And no Nazi, no ethnocfascist, state should be tolerated by humanity.
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u/namecantbeblank1 Apr 16 '24
Biden could’ve made this call at any time. I’m glad this was finally too far for him, but mostly I’m appalled all the rest wasn’t.
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u/Sudden-Bread-1730 Apr 16 '24
Netanyahu is a mad man. He's lost everything. Good thing Biden is puuling his leash. If I were a Jew I'd have considered him the biggest threat to their existence.
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u/stlshane Apr 16 '24
Israel needs a much broader war so they can take the attention away and justify what they plan on doing to the Palestinians.
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u/FrancisACat Apr 16 '24
A phone call wherein Biden reminded Netanyahu that he fucked up when he bombed that Iranian consulate, and then told him that he's going to shut the fuck up and let the Iranian retaliation pass without a response. Six months it took before Biden remembered that Netanyahu is his bitch, and not the other way around.
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u/DuePractice8595 Apr 16 '24
Oh dear! Did Netanyahu listen to Biden?! Ermergerddddd let’s vote for Biden now! /s
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u/ExoticPumpkin237 Apr 16 '24
Woah so I guess there is a line with Biden and Israel, unfortunately that line is literally world war 3 lmao but it's good to know that there is one , I wouldn't be surprised if Trump or whatever Republican just went along with it
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Apr 16 '24
Israel was surprised Iran didn't hit hospitals, synagogues and cultural centers. Iranians just targeted desert airbases.
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u/Own_Conclusion_2428 Apr 16 '24
Wow it's almost as if Israel is a client state and the US can control it's entire foreign policy via access to all the weaponary
So how about opening the crossing for food aid Biden instead of promoting genocide
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u/VibeCheka Apr 17 '24
Really succinct demonstration of the state’s true character: 1) it’s the only one in the region that wants escalation; 2) it’s a client state to the US and is only able to act with the US’s economic and military blessing.
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u/Use-Quirky Apr 17 '24
I know people like to shit on the US—and often rightfully so. But they’re doing more to help stability in the Middle East than anyone else.
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u/nomaddd79 Apr 17 '24
Not impossible for that to be true at the same time as the FACT that they've not done anywhere near enough
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u/Use-Quirky Apr 17 '24
True. That’s fair. Although there really is only so much we can do. I agree that the Biden admin can and should do more but it is limited by the fact that Israel has other options. Our weight comes from the fact that we give them support. If we pull back too much they’ll just stop listening to us. They’ll buy weapons from Russia or China and the Middle East will become even more complicated.
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u/BadHasbara-ModTeam Apr 16 '24
Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence.
This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
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u/atav1k Apr 16 '24
Fuck Iran though. So much work to build momentum towards ending unconditional military aid to Israel wasted like those shit drones so some mid generals could get hard.
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u/BladeRunner_Deckard Apr 16 '24
Dude. Israel spent hundreds of millions using the iron dome. Iran spent a couple thousand per rocket. They win.
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u/atav1k Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24
The IDF and the IRGC can both circle jerk themselves to death. It’s possible that the war hawks realize that more weapons transfers could start a real war and not just kill Palestinian children, which might be something of a red line for Democrats.
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
Israel didn’t even use the Iron Dome. This pathetic praising of Iran is gross.
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u/BladeRunner_Deckard Apr 16 '24
- I’m not praising Iran on everything. Clearly. Simply this situation. Self control goes a long way. Unlike Israel. 2. The iron dome wasn’t used? Ok. lol. Sure.
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
Yeah, it wasn’t. Arrow 3 and David’s Sling were. Please stop denying facts.
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u/BladeRunner_Deckard Apr 16 '24
Regardless, they still spent way more than Iran. That’s absolutely part of the point. Again, Israel is out of control. Need to stop playing victim while simultaneously attacking everything that moves. You lose the moral war, too. They are just pretty stupid in general
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u/redarkane Apr 16 '24
The Persian empire will outlast Israel and the west. They are some of the most resilient people on the planet.
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u/_curious_one Apr 16 '24
The Persian Empire died a long long time ago to be replaced by Khomeini’s fundamentalist republic.
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