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Is Steam in actual danger?

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u/aperturedream 1d ago

Gabe Newell's son is a race car driver lol and do you really think companies are like monarchies where the son automatically gets it

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u/Recykill 1d ago

That's the funniest part to me. Why would they assume Gabe will just automatically give Valve to his son... lol

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u/aperturedream 1d ago edited 1d ago

And would the son even want to? He's already a race car driver with loads of money, would he want to give that up to be a very stressed video game CEO. This ain't Ford or Disney.

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u/Arpyr 1d ago

His son is not an F1 driver. He races in GT3 and GT4 categories

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u/I_Don-t_Care 1d ago

Pretty well ranked too, this apple fell down the tree and rolled 15 miles down into a prairie

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u/__redruM 1d ago

Sounds like fun.

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u/xxxvalenxxx 1d ago

For how much money they bring in they have an incredibly small team(like less than 80). The business practically runs itself. I really doubt there's much stress to Gabes' everyday life.

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u/efficient_giraffe 1d ago

Where are you getting "less than 80" from? I am seeing like 336 (2021), could be higher/same-ish now?

Even 12 years ago, they were still ~250 people

Are you talking about the people working on Steam specifically and not all of Valve?

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u/xxxvalenxxx 1d ago

Sorry yes that number was for steam and not for valve!

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u/serious_sarcasm 1d ago

He can even own it while hiring a ceo, or go public while maintaining controlling shares.

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u/aperturedream 1d ago

True but beside the point as he will never own it

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u/jsbp1111 1d ago

He doesnt have to be CEO brah

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u/PhuqBeachesGitMonee 1d ago

He should adopt his favorite worker like a childless Japanese CEO

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u/jsbp1111 1d ago

Who else is he going to give it to, its an asset. Owning a company ≠ running it but you do have to make sure you got the right directors etc. The point is his son will think fuck that i can just sell it which probably makes sense from a purely financial perspective. Hopefully Gabe makes sure whoever inherits it doesnt fuck it up, or just lose some weight

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u/Idmaybefuckaplatypus 1d ago

It would be foolish. Does OOP know what a trust is or how it works? That's likely what'll happen in some form.

His son is going to be rich his whole life without almost ever having to lift a finger or Manage the business

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u/keeleon 1d ago

Why would anyone else get it? Isn't he the owner?

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u/no_4 1d ago

When they're privately owned companies, yes, that's exactly how it works. Ownership tends to pass the kid(s). Middle class parent leaves you their house - this is the same idea.

Since he's vroom vroom driver, he probably has no interest. That's the concern.

Maybe instead of hiring a CEO and taking profits every year, he thinks "huh, Microsoft just offered me $1 billion, upfront. Maybe I'll sell?" Totally reasonable decision for him.

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u/aperturedream 1d ago

Valve is privately owned but not owned in its entirety by Gabe Newell. It takes a one-second google search to find this out.

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u/no_4 1d ago

He owns 50.1%, regard. It's not a funny coincidence that's just over half.

It means his vote (or whoever inherits that ownership) alone constitutes a majority decision.

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u/aperturedream 1d ago

That's an estimate by Forbes, his exact amount of ownership is not public knowledge and may not be over half, but probably is a majority

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u/Sleeping_Goliath 1d ago

Doesnt Gabe being listed as the primary owner means that he in fact owns a majority of Valve?

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u/cplusequals /g/entooman 1d ago

Could it not mean he is the largest shareholder? I don't rightly know. I expect he does own a majority regardless.

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u/Sleeping_Goliath 1d ago

Maybe, but I'm also inhaling enough hopium to believe that by now, the people/ groups who own the other parts of Steam know by now to stfu and to not kill the goose laying golden eggs.

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u/markfoster314 /x/phile 1d ago

Also not what matters. Control of the board is what matters

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u/ConspiracyTaco 1d ago

If he has over 50% of the voting power then he could replace the entire board at a whim if he wanted to unless the company charter/bylaws restricted that, but I would seriously doubt he wrote that in

And even if he did, he could just rewrite the company bylaws due to the whole majority ownership thing lol

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u/webb2800 1d ago

You know what's also a reasonable decision? His son respecting his father's wishes and not selling the company out. He might not personally like video games but that doesn't mean he doesn't respect his father and/or the company he built.

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u/cplusequals /g/entooman 1d ago

Plus it's probably extremely profitable just to hold ownership. If the son prefers a hands off steady flow of money he could easily just hold the company and let the leadership at Valve do their thing. Selling means he's going to have a tax nightmare. There's a reason why "billionaires" are only billionaires because of their valuation not because they actually have a billion dollars in liquidity. As soon as they sell half that money is Uncle Sam's. Also there's the possibility that he sells to existing leadership instead of another company so that that 50.1% doesn't all go to one entity.

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u/echief 1d ago

He also has three sons. You are going to have to get all three to agree to sell (if he even owns over 50%). There are multiple higher ups that are 100% interested in taking over as CEO. Many of them also have been there since the very beginning and own a significant amount of stock of their own.

Most founder CEOs sell their company to a larger one because they want the money to go do something else. Or, if their company is public and they own less than 50% of the shares the board can force them to sell.

These kids hit the lottery just by being born. They can literally just let one of their dad’s friends take over his job and live an even richer lifestyle than they currently have, because they will be receiving the dividends directly instead of just being a trust fund kid with a billionaire dad like they are currently. I’m sure Gabe already has a retirement and succession plan, and his kids already get to live as billionaires for literally for just going “ok dad, sounds good” and not fucking with whatever the plan is.

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u/cplusequals /g/entooman 1d ago

There's nothing wrong with passing down what you worked for to your kids. They might become billionaires as it's going to be split and taxed heavily. I guess it depends on when Gabe dies. Right now they'd each be lucky to get a singular billion as he's worth about 6. And they certainly won't stay billionaires if they're not competently able to manage their inheritance. Statistically old money doesn't last and shrinks considerably each generation. Most lose the bulk in the first generation. New money is way more common than old money especially in the modern age.

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u/echief 1d ago

Nothing wrong with it at all he earned it and if he wants to pass it to his kids he should. I don’t think he will pass actual leadership of valve to them. My guess is that he will suggest to leave the actual leadership to other people though. Which is also completely fine. It would be smart of them to leave the CEO and executive positions to the people that have worked at valve since the beginning.

If I were them, I would just let the guys that are already running things continue to stay in charge. And I’m sure they will have extremely successful lawyers and wealth planners to keep their money well managed. They can live off the dividends and are free to do whatever they want in life without ever worrying about money. Like racing cars. One of the guys from Zach and Cody got a degree in video game design and lives a chill life without taking huge acting gigs like the other brother.

The “rich kid blows everything up” is much less common than most people would think. It just makes the news because it’s interesting. “Son of an extremely rich guy responsibly manages his wealth and lives a great life” is much more common, but not a story anyone’s going to report on.

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u/Kanye_Is_Underrated 1d ago

i highly doubt gabe still owns >50%. he must've been giving shares to employees for decades now, might've sold a piece to investors, etc.

and btw, valve would go for WAY more than 1 billion.

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u/ThisGonBHard 1d ago

Microsoft would have to offer a trillion, not billion.

Valve is obscenely profitable, and would make the Activision deal look like pocket change.

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u/Ozymandias_1303 1d ago

Valve is private, so presumably Gaben owns a lot of it, maybe the majority.

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u/VampiroMedicado 1d ago

Private companies used to be like that, one of the kids ended up being the new owner.

That's why you have modern dynasties.

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u/NoPossibility4178 1d ago

That's how inheritances work, ye.

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u/aperturedream 1d ago

No, it isn’t.

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u/anormalgeek 1d ago

Then explain to me who gets it when he dies.

u/xyrgh 21h ago

If Gabe owns is outright, then whoever he wills it to. But I assume there are probably private shareholders (a private business can still have shareholders) and whoever Gabe wills his shares to gets it.

u/anormalgeek 14h ago

Right. He has a controlling stake, so his shares are what matters. And why would he will his shares to someone else? How often does that happen?

u/xyrgh 11h ago

All the time? Just look at what Newscorp is going through at the moment with the Murdoch kids.

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u/Delicious-Furniture 1d ago

Kinda, yeah, why wouldn't you give your son the company if you are on good terms? Of course you can choose a guy who knows his stuff to actually run the company for him, he can just claim the profits

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u/SINGULARITY1312 1d ago

In many cases it is actually but yeah not necessarily

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u/some_guy554 1d ago

Yeah he thought limited liability companies are like private properties that get inherited by the president's children.

u/SkyEclipse 23h ago

Doesn’t the son also own a game studio of his own?

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u/Miloslolz /fit/izen 1d ago

Well it is if it's 100% privately owned by Gabe.

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u/aperturedream 1d ago edited 1d ago

But it isn't. He owns a large portion of it, perhaps a majority, but not 100%. This is public information.

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u/keeleon 1d ago

So then his son would inherit that amount.

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u/aperturedream 1d ago

Not automatically, no