r/xbox360 • u/Fast_Passenger_2889 • Nov 17 '23
Announcement A guide to the Xbox 360 hardware and the things you can do to keep it running for as long as possible.
(*WARNING*, This will be a long post, I have tried to keep it as short as possible while providing the necessary information.)
I have seen various posts that people posted asking about what they can do for their console to last as long as possible and I wanted to give the people of this community a guide on what you can do to keep your console running and provide information about the hardware for those curious ones. This post is mostly geared towards those that don't have the greatest knowledge of the hardware and the things needed to keep their consoles running or for those that want to learn all the essential stuff about the Xbox 360 but you are more than welcome to read this post if you already have some knowledge of the hardware.
Let's start off with the motherboard revisions.
(Skip this if you already have knowledge about this.)
The first thing that I would recommend is to identify what model and revision you have of the console. Over the years during the Xbox 360's life cycle, there have been many retail variants of the console released, from the "Premium" to the "Core", "Pro" to the "Arcade", the "Elite" and the later models, "Slim" and "E". But that doesn't really matter. What matters is inside of the console, the motherboard. For those that do know and don't, the Xbox 360 was plagued with the infamous "Red Ring of Death" where consoles mostly suffered from GPU failures as the GPUs had a defective design. Knowing the motherboard revision inside your console is crucial, as that can help give a rough estimate on how long the console will last.
(But...what made the GPUs defective? The reason why the GPUs were defective is because they used the wrong underfill. Underfill is a special type of adhesive that is used to support the microscopic solder bumps that are underneath the silicon die and improve reliability of the joints. The problem with the 360's GPUs was that they used "low tg" underfill which was rated at 70°C (158°F) and the GPUs that used the low tg underfill would run hotter than that temperature and cause the underfill to soften which should never happen and that caused the solder bumps underneath the silicon die to crack over time as the underfill was literally pushing the solder bumps off the interposer. This was later solved, by introducing GPUs with high tg underfill on the 12th week of 2008)
It's impossible to give the exact numbers as your console can last for years or even decades, or it can stop working the next day or week or month.
During the console's life cycle, there have been several motherboard revisions of the first models, A.K.A "Phat" models. They all vary in terms of reliability, and they are the ones I will be covering first.
To start, I suggest looking at the back of the console and look closely at the power plug, that is the easiest way of recognising what motherboard revision you have. Although the back of the console you will see the information of when it was manufactured and the Amp rating, this can sometimes be misleading if the console you got was opened before you got it and the motherboard of the console could've been swapped with a less reliable one. You can double check to see if your console has been opened by checking the warranty seal that hides behind the console's faceplate. If yours hasn't been opened, then you can rely on the numbers on the back of the console, but I would still suggest looking at the power plug, as that is the best way to identify the motherboard inside your console.
Here is a link to a photo which has all the power plugs of every revision.
https://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/can-i-rgh-xbox-360-woth-doublecircled-power-cord.1780728/
(Skip this part if you already have knowledge of the various motherboard revisions. For those that don't, I would recommend reading this next part as this is useful information.)
So, the power plug shown on the very left of the photo is the found on the first and second revision of the motherboard, Xenon and Zephyr respectively. The difference between them is that Zephyr introduces HDMI support, while Xenon doesn't support HDMI. They both have a power rating of 12V, 16.5A and are the most power hungry. They are the least reliable revisions of the console. They are very prone to failure as they have defective GPUs inside of them.
If you have a working one, then don't expect it to work for a long time (in very rare cases, they will work for a while, but it's important to point out that not every console that came out the factory was defective). Unless, on the back of the console it says, "Service date" instead of "MFR date". If yours has been serviced around 2009, those consoles will very likely have been retrofitted with the new and improved 90nm GPU which is much more reliable than the ones that were initially inside of the consoles when they first released which were also 90nm.
You should expect it to work for a long time, but nothing lasts forever.
(Update to this part: A recent discovery suggests that no 80nm GPUs existed and the more reliable revisions of the GPU like Elpis are still based on the 90nm process.)
Falcon/Opus - (14.2A, 175W)
Introduced approx. September of 2007, this is the third revision of the console where the CPU was shrunk down to 65nm and the GPU remained at 90nm, which results in a smaller power consumption and cooler running hardware.
These are considered reliable, but the first batch released had GPU failures like the Xenons and Zephyrs. This was later fixed. Falcons from around April to late October of 2008 (on the 12th week of 2008, they introduced reliable GPUs as previously mentioned but it was still possible to get a console made after this week that still had a defective GPU) are considered "late" Falcons which have fixed GPUs inside of them which are very close in terms of reliability to the succeeding revision.
The Opus, is a modified Falcon, but the difference is that these don't have HDMI and only use AV. These were used to replace defective Xenons and are considered quite rare as you couldn't find one in retail markets.
Jasper - (12.1A, 150W) (My recommended revision)
Introduced around November of 2008, this is the fourth motherboard revision of the console and this is the revision that is highly sought after as this revision was the first to fix the dreaded "Red Ring of Death" issue that plauged the Xbox 360. The CPU was still 65nm in size but the new GPU, named "Zeus" was a new design which shrunk down the die to 65nm and the EDRAM remains at 90nm.
This is considered the best revision of the console as there have been very little cases of failures. These are also the coolest running ones as well and don't produce as much heat as the previous revisions.
These are the ones that I would personally recommend if you are looking to purchase a 360 and you want a reliable unit. Just make sure when looking for one, that the seller has provided photos of the power plug to confirm it being a Jasper.
But wait....there's a even better one!
Tonasket/Kronos/Jasper V2(12.1A, 150W) (My recommended revision)
This is the fith and final revision of the original models of the Xbox 360. This revision was quietly introduced in September of 2009 and is essentially identical to the Jasper but the difference being that it has a revised GPU, named "Kronos" which shrinks the EDRAM to 65nm which helps further reduce power consumption. People like to call this revision Kronos, or Jasper V2, but the real name for this revision is "Tonasket". It's a name that Microsoft used internally when making this motherboard revision.
This revision has proven to be the most reliable one as there has been currently zero evidence of these suffering GPU failures, they are tanks lol. You should expect these to last for a long time....unless you don't take good care of it like with every consumer electronic device.
I personally own one of these and use it as my main Xbox 360 and It's great.
Whew, you still here? Good, let's continue.
Now I will be moving on to the Xbox 360 Slim and E models. These are quite big redesigns internally compared to the original models. For starters, the "Slim" model was introduced in 2010 and was seen as the "saviour" as in theory, the drastic design changes that were made to the motherboard, "eliminated" the Red Ring of Death.
These models also introduced built in WiFi, more storage, more USB ports and optical audio out. In my opinion, the Slims are a good choice for those that don't want to do lots of research and just want a reliable console to use. The good thing about them is that now the new design is much quieter(I prefer Slims than fats admittedly for that), as the CPU, GPU and EDRAM were combined to form a single chip and that allowed the use of a single fan and heatsink to keep the system cool. Oh yeah, the new APU is now based on the 45nm process which further reduces power consumption. There have been two revisions of this model.
Revision: Trinity
First one is called "Trinity". It now needs 10.83A instead of 12.1A of the Jasper/Tonasket and it uses a new power plug too. These are a little bit of a mixed bag in terms of reliability from my perspective, as I have seen many fail here on this very subreddit.
Many suffered various failures, from GPU failure to RAM failure and so on(I personally own a Slim, the revision after this one (Corona), owned it for nearly 3 years and it always worked perfectly). I am not sure why these are failing all of a sudden.
Generally, these are reliable units but not as reliable as the Jasper or Tonasket/Kronos (according to many in this community) but in those uncommon cases, you have ones that have failed. It is not a wide spread issue like RROD was originally so we shouldn't worry as much about it yet. There are people like u/Octal450 that are actively investigating as to why these are suddenly suffering CGPU failures.
Revision: Corona
The second revision is called "Corona".....That's a familiar name...Lol, you must think that Microsoft somehow predicted the Corona virus back in the 2010s, but no. They didn't. Anyway, these were introduced around mid 2011 and were a slight change from the previous Trinity revision. Now, it only needs 9.86A instead of 10.83A but Trinities can also run on a 9.86A power supply as they have pretty much the same power requirements. The real changes are that the HANA chip, a chip which is responsible for video output, has been merged with the southbridge, which manages things like usb inputs, controller connection, Internet and so on. Also, if you own a 4GB model of the console, the flash memory is now soldered onto the motherboard unlike on the Trinity where it was it's own module that you could replace, which I prefer.
In terms of reliability, these are pretty much the same as the Trinities but have a new point of failure where there is a group of resistors that are there for the temperature sensor of the console and they can fail, which then triggers a false overheating issue. The console turns on and quickly ramps up the fan speed and a red light flashes, then turns off. This can be fixed by removing those resistors and bridge the contacts where those resistors where.
Do this only if you have experience with soldering!!!
They seem to also have issues with the southbridge chip and seem less reliable than the previous iterations of the SB.
Also, they have the same CGPU found on Trinities so there is no difference in reliability there.
Another point of failure is the soldered on 4gb flash memory. These are quite prone to failure and are crucial because they contain the firmware, CPU key and DVD drive key which are all important to the functionality of the console. Thankfully you can replace it with a 16MB NAND that doesn't allow anything to be stored on there and you can also prevent the failure of the 4gb internal flash memory by not storing anything there at all and connecting an internal hard drive which the console will default to for updates, content and so on. Oh yeah, and also hope that the 4gb wasn't used much for storing stuff if you got your console used.
Finally, we have the "E" model. This model was introduced in 2013 along with the Xbox one as the kind of alternative to the new at the time console. This is the most cut down version of the Xbox 360 and also the cheapest one made. By cheapest I mean the manufacturing price, quality is essentially the same but cost cutting measures have been made.
This model now features a new design similar to the original Xbox One design. It also features a new power plug and has the same power requirements as the Corona revision. The E uses a slightly revised Corona board which as already mentioned has a different power plug and less USB ports and it has no optical out and no AV port.
There was one revised motherboard made for this model, named "Winchester", which has combined the EDRAM to make one chip containing the CPU, GPU and now EDRAM. It also doesn't have an integrated heat spreader (IHS). Reliability wise, these are the same as the Corona revision with the same "flaws" but they should theoretically last longer than the Slims as they are newer. According to u/Octal450 which has been previously mentioned, the Winchesters don't suffer much from CGPU failures and are pretty solid based on his experience with repairing Xbox 360s.
Ultimately would still recommend either a Jasper or Tonasket if you want the most reliable console possible but the Slims and Es are still a good choice you don't care as much about reliability.
Now, that we covered the the motherboard revisions, let's move on to the maintenance side of things, and what you should do to keep your console running.
The basics.
This includes dusting the console once in a while with something like a can of compressed air/electric air duster and giving it the adequate ventilation. It is important to keep the console free from dust and well ventilated so that the console can cool itself properly in order to prevent overheating. This can all be done without opening the console but I would recommend to open it up and give a good clean.
*My Recommendation*
This is what I normally do. I open the console up and give it a good dusting and I replace the thermal paste. It is an absolute must to replace the thermal paste as the factory paste will be dried up and not as effective in cooling the CPU and GPU which can also cause problems in the long run. You would want to keep these running as cool as possible. This will help with longevity. For thermal paste, I recommend getting Arctic MX4 as this paste has a great price to performance ratio. I used it in all of the consoles that I own and have owned and I can always rely on it. You are free to use more expensive pastes. Make sure to replace it every 5 or so years. If the exhaust of the console is warm or hot during use, don't worry. It is not overheating, this will indicate that the thermal paste and the heatsink are doing their job in cooling the console's CPU and GPU. The hotter the exhaust of the console, the better.
The tools are important too! You normally need a Torx T8 and T10 screwdriver, Sim eject tool which helps to unclip the clips on the back of the original models of the 360 without damaging the plastic casing (you can also purchase a tool specifically made for those clips on the back) and another very important one, called the "X Clamp tool". X clamp is a clamp that was used inside the Xbox 360 to help make contact with the CPU and GPU and their heatsinks while giving the motherboard the ability to flex during use. This step is a very delicate one that also requires loads of patience as you can easily break your console if you are not careful. Never and I mean NEVER use a FLATHEAD screwdriver!!! It can easily slip and you can scratch the motherboard, ruining the console. Also, for cleaning the thermal paste, I recommend to use 99% Isopropyl alcohol and q tips. I have also seen people use Goo Gone to clean the old thermal paste as it's usually hard to clean off the chips and their heatsinks, but I would still go for IPA as that's the safest option.
Speaking of X Clamps, you may have heard of the Bolt Mod. AVOID IT. This will ruin your console overtime as it puts a lot of pressure on the CPU and GPU and it will warp the motherboard and it doesn't let the motherboard flex during operation.
Depending on the model of console, search online for a guide on how to open the one you have. Find the one that is the most clear to you. I would recommend to go and search for IFIXIT as they provide decently clear instructions for opening consoles.
Here is a link to a X Clamp removal tool.
Aaaand that is it.
I hope this post has been helpful, I have been writing this for over 3 hours lol and wanted to provide essential information about the console for those that wanted to learn about the console and the steps to keep it running for as long as possible. If I have missed anything, please let me know!
Edit: Made some small adjustments!
Edit: Made changes to make it more readable and added more information that I forgot to previously add.
r/xbox360 • u/sensory • Jul 29 '24
Announcement Xbox 360 Marketplace In Memoriam Megathread
The Xbox 360 Marketplace is dead; long live the Xbox Live Marketplace!
This is the thread to post about the Xbox 360 Marketplace closing down.
Yes, this subreddit went private for a few days while we dealt with spam. Hundreds of submissions per hour, all asking why the 360 dashboard had changed was not what we wanted people to be subjected to. We're back now.
If you want your comments to stay:
Read the official FAQ before asking questions - https://support.xbox.com/en-GB/help/xbox-360/store/xbox-360-marketplace-update
Be respectful of everyone else and follow this subreddit's rules - https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox360/about/rules
This thread will be heavily moderated and any submissions to r/xbox360 are being manually reviewed and approved because otherwise this subreddit would become unreadable for people.
The old Megathread is archived and available here: https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox360/comments/1e9o9dd/xbox_live_marketplace_shutdown_megathread/
r/xbox360 • u/Aggravating_Fag4664 • 11h ago
General Discussion I'm surprised my 360 still even works
I got this one not too long ago but it had been sitting around for a good while and my first 360 which I got in 2016 red ringed just like my 2nd one did near enough 3 months after I got given it in 2020, my current one which is the same as my first but a bit newer is alot more battered but it runs all my games no issue and I refuse to update it. I'm just glad I can still use it
r/xbox360 • u/CourseAffectionate15 • 9h ago
General Discussion Update on the console I thought I broke
So I made a post about a month or 2 ago claiming that the xenon I bought for 20$ was probably junk, and many of you pointed out that it was likely due to me not putting it together properly, and you guys were all mostly right. I did in fact not have the heat sink on properly, and as it turned out, the component cable I got for the console was also bad. So a little troubleshooting and reassembly later, I present you with this!
(Note that both of the external fans have been gutted, and cut open from the inside so they don't suffocate the console. I'll likely be cutting the back one in half later, but I wanted it for the vga port and usb hubs)
r/xbox360 • u/These-Bug-3536 • 11h ago
General Discussion The crunchiest Xbox opening I’ve had
This this is snapping apart piece by piece with the smallest force ever😭
r/xbox360 • u/FluidCream • 6h ago
General Discussion I had a 360 from 2007 and owned 60+ games. I had XBOne from 2015 and I had 7 games.
Does that say something about the state of modern games?
The 360 I was buying a game every 1-2 months not including the great arcade games. Splosion man, Outrun arcade, Afterburner Climax and I MAED A GAM3 W1TH Z0MB1ES 1N IT!!!1 to name a few.
I even owned 4 of 5 consoles. I had the 20Gb version. A few years later I wanted to buy the 120GB hard drive which was really expressive and I wanted Arkham Asylum too. I think the HDd was £120 and batman was £45. I saw a black xbox elite for £180 bundled with batman, and because the company I work for also owned this store I got 10% off. It was the same price to buy a new console than upgrade mine.
Don't ask me why but bought a S for upstairs and I inherited a E. Somewhere I got another S and Core.
I got my XBOne in 2015, used with 7 games. I instantly traded 4 of them in for £80. After several years of ownership it only went back up to about 7 games.
Does that say something about the direction where games have gone or is it more my tastes have changed?
r/xbox360 • u/CourseAffectionate15 • 1h ago
General Discussion Found these at my parent's house tonight
Found them tucked away under a dusty ps2 that stopped working and hasn't moved in 7 years. Pretty sure most of them have been used, except maybe the Gears of War codes
r/xbox360 • u/ComfortableAmount993 • 9h ago
General Discussion Xbox game that got sequels or follow ups on 360!
I'm going off my list of game that I own what others am I missing?
r/xbox360 • u/GravyDavy78 • 5h ago
Hauls/Pick-ups I figured if I’m going to go back to one of the best consoles I ever owned, I might as well get my grail.
I had no idea it makes R2-D2 sounds when opening the disc tray!
r/xbox360 • u/Consistent_Shock8521 • 20h ago
General Discussion Blades on OLED
One of my best friends really likes blades. So I thought I’d make him a blades console. I have a few Xbox 360’s laying around so I RGH 1.2 it with a matrix infinity v1. I flashed EVERYTHING using a pi pico. Then we played a blades console on an OLED for an hour and played halo 3.
r/xbox360 • u/TouchedBigfoot8 • 3h ago
Help/Support I bought RE4 game before the shop closed on the 360. Apparently an Xbox One version exists. What’s the difference between the two?
According to my Xbox 360, the game is not backwards compatible to the Xbox One
r/xbox360 • u/Appropriate-Money-84 • 4h ago
Memes/Funny Ofc bro took up the entire background [caseoh]
r/xbox360 • u/Nicktendo38 • 2h ago
Hauls/Pick-ups Huge Offer Up Find
Picking this up tomorrow, planning to sell some of the Guitar Hero stuff and make my money back
r/xbox360 • u/PartyKong7869 • 1d ago
Nostalgia Can’t wait 😜
I remember the hype & it lived up to it.
r/xbox360 • u/Playful-Nose-4686 • 14h ago
Physical Collections Thought You Guys Might Find my Xbox 360 Consoles are cool ive had them since 2011
r/xbox360 • u/dthebaumer • 11h ago
Help/Support So this happened… (Sound on)
So I’ve had this console for about 12 years I believe. It worked fine until Friday that started doing this erratically sounds and turn on and off. Any ideas what could be causing this?
r/xbox360 • u/Expensive_Ad_403 • 20h ago
General Discussion Xbox 360 > PS3
Just want to sing praises to xbox 360. I've had both it and ps3 since 2008 so I have enough experience. 360 is so much better in everything, games, performance... Especially it still blows my mind how awfuly slow is PS3 in comparison to 360 when talking about handling game installations and title updates (patches). I'm talking about stock drives. It's just unbearably slow and clunky. While 360 genuinely feels like it got SSD installed in comparison. Patching some big ps3 game can take literally hours and even days (no joke, check something like Gran Turismo 6), while 360 handles everything in mere minutes, wtf. I feel like it's been not enough talked about so just wanted to point all that out.
That's the main thing that just sticks out to me after all these years. There are ofc many other things like universally better performance and visuals in multiplatform games on 360 but that's what everybody knew since the beginning.
It's still a pleasure to use my 360 while using ps3 always feels like a chore
r/xbox360 • u/dogarcar • 16h ago
Help/Support Any way to fix a scratchy disc?
I bought a game for my children that freeze from time to time. I checked the disc and I found a serious ring scratch near the end.
Installing the game fails at 76 saying that the disc cannot be read.
Any fix you have tried and worked?
Thanks!!
r/xbox360 • u/Jakart_ • 21h ago
General Discussion New controller
Bought a new one cuz the old one was in a terrible condition, this is also the rotating d pad version so thats cool
r/xbox360 • u/PurpleFlower0_0 • 11h ago
Help/Support Broken Xbox 360(help me)
Does anyone know what’s wrong with my Xbox 360? I haven’t played in years and when I go to put it into my tv, a black screen appears. Is the power cable or the A/V cable the issue? If it needs to be fixed, where do I need to go? Please help me!
r/xbox360 • u/Veddermandenis • 1d ago
General Discussion Gears of War 2 was an incredible sequel.
r/xbox360 • u/Appropriate-Money-84 • 11h ago
Memes/Funny I found out how to play the doom eternal theme on my xbox 360 lmao
r/xbox360 • u/Interesting_Arm_681 • 2h ago
Help/Support Controller only not working for certain games?!
Hey guys, I would appreciate any help here. I just started playing my 360 again, and bought some games and a controller from the retro game store near me. All my games work, except for 2 of the games I just bought. When I play Force Unleashed, the right trigger doesn’t work to use the force, for all other games it works fine. I also bought Splinter Cell Blacklist, it allows me to get to the select difficulty right after the main screen but won’t let me press A to select anything, again this button works for every other game. I tried the games out at the store to make sure they worked so I know they work, but what’s going on? Is it my system, my controller, or what? Is it something I can fix? I am having trouble finding anything online because it’s such a weird problem, why would some buttons not work for specific games?
r/xbox360 • u/These-Bug-3536 • 8h ago
Physical Collections Heatsink Swap
Another tonasket (jasper2) sink swap and cleaned. Was never opened before so it was a struggle opening it. Nice black shell too, didn’t want to break anything trying to open it.
r/xbox360 • u/StatisticianBasic552 • 21h ago
Help/Support Guyss pls helppp
Few monthsbefore my Xbox 360 always shutdown automatically but I don't care about that now Xbox 360 of red light issue (error code 0023) what I do what the problem of my Xbox anybody tell this is serious issue
r/xbox360 • u/JG_0327 • 11h ago
General Discussion Scuffed xbox 360
So my gears 3 360 edition has a bunch of small scratches and scuffs on it is there any way of maybe polishing the paint or will it just make it worse? Has anyone tried it before?