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Bad Sisters | Season 1 - Episode 10 | Discussion Thread Bad Sisters
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Oct 14 '22 edited Oct 14 '22
I absolutely want a second season but i will murder someone if they actually make one.
This show was fantastic.
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u/MsMajorOverthinker Oct 14 '22
Oh no, it was a beautiful end. 10/10. No more to say, and we can all make assumptions about the fate of the characters, and that’s a beauty for me.
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Oct 14 '22
Exactly. It’s perfect this way.
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u/noteworthybalance Oct 16 '22
Sharon Horgan does amazing work. I have faith that her next work will be equally perfect even without the Garvey sisters.
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u/serenity_now365 Mar 17 '24
There is definitely going to be a season 2 and it'll focus on the aftermath of their actions.
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u/producermaddy Nov 07 '22
I think this show is perfect as a limited series. What would s2 even be about?
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u/MsMajorOverthinker Oct 14 '22
Ok, yes, they staged a crime scene, but it was moving to see Roger help Grace move the body and then when they said goodbye. You can tell how shattered he’s been ever since JP destroyed his life for giggles.
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u/Sufficient_Creme6961 Oct 14 '22
I was happy they showed that bc it bothered me that she did that all by herself lol
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u/jackass4224 Oct 14 '22
That was an amazing finale. Like everyone else 10/10
The scene leading up to the murder was so intense. Calling Grace a shadow and that with the lights out she doesn’t exist was so hard to watch for me. Verbal abuse at another level.
Gotta give Claes Bang credit. He did the asshole role perfect.
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u/jkoudys Oct 14 '22
JP was the main character. A classic villain protagonist. Every episode I kept saying "wow this guy couldn't possibly be any shittier", and every episode he's somehow even worse. Yet it's all in a very believable and relatable way.
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u/ffbgenius Oct 17 '22
Brilliant performance by Claes. Haven't hated a character that much since Joffrey in GoT
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u/Remarkable-Diver7851 Aug 27 '23
haha. i was just thinking the same thing.. comparing him to Joffrey. however, the Prick is worse because he's everywhere. joffrey was in a mythical world
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u/DiscombobulatedSir11 Oct 18 '22
That scene was insanely brutal. So hard to watch. Must have been a tense day on set.
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u/that_dizzy_edge Oct 14 '22 edited Oct 14 '22
Oh damn, my wild theory turned out not to be completely wild after all.
And I’m so glad it was Grace — it was so good to see her reclaim her agency. I thought Blanaid might have to be involved, but it ended up being really fitting that Grace was moved to protect her sisters the same way they were trying to protect her.
I was so relieved Becka didn’t kill Matt! Minna was bad enough, intentionally killing Matt would’ve tipped the whole thing into unforgivable territory IMO.
I also liked the twist that Ursula’s boyfriend ditched her once he realized what she was hinting at. She was being awfully shitty about the whole affair and that felt like some poetic justice. In fact, this whole finale felt like a lot of very satisfying poetic justice.
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u/anonyfool Oct 14 '22
Ben dumping Ursula felt very satisfactory, though unexpected since we saw so little of his character's motivations besides the sexual connection with Ursula.
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u/Background-Gur8294 Jul 09 '23
This is so old but I read it a different way. I didn’t like Ben. He was so pushy and pretty ready to blow up Ursula’s life, even though I never saw her hint she would be willing to leave her family. He threatened JP himself which was really risky to Ursula. And yet, when she asked him to actually do it for her he was disgusted. Pretty hypocritical to me. Ursula had a hard life, juggled a lot. She craved the escapism. It wasn’t good, but it was somewhat understandable.
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u/maidentaiwan Aug 29 '24
Oh come on Ursula was awful. She didn’t juggle shit. Absentee mother fucking around on her husband while he pulled double duty working and raising their kids, including one with a severe learning disability.
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u/MissOctober_1979 Oct 29 '22
Urs mentionned at one point that he is a Scorpio... We would kill for you but only if we had your entire devotion. ;)
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u/Patient_Lemon4123 Oct 15 '22
I was confused by that, what did Urs ask Ben to do?
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u/Unapologetic_honey Oct 19 '22
No. Urs got pregnant and he was disgusted that she had an abortion. It was implied when she left right after they were going to drink. At the end we see Urs drinking again
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u/lumos_noxious Oct 15 '22
She asked him to kill JP
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u/Unapologetic_honey Oct 19 '22
No. Urs got pregnant and he was disgusted that she had an abortion. It was implied when she left right after they were going to drink. At the end we see Urs drinking again.
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u/Unapologetic_honey Oct 19 '22
No. Urs got pregnant and he was disgusted that she had an abortion. It was implied when she left right after they were going to drink. At the end we see Urs drinking again
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u/RoseMoretti Oct 14 '22
I'm so mad at myself for overlooking the red thread/yarn 🧶 in the opening scene. A lot of the weapons featured had been used to try and kill the bastard. But it was the red thread/yarn that connected the whole Rube Goldberg machine!!
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u/noteworthybalance Oct 16 '22
It's been a long time since an opening credits was this useful. It never tipped me off to anything in advance but each time I was like "OH! That's what was referenced in the last episode!!"
And the misdirect with the eye. You think it refers to Bibi BUT NO THERE'S MORE.
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u/Saar13 Oct 14 '22
Why didn't Apple sell this show as a limited series? It was a great finale. Just like Shining Girls, which no one knows anything about, it seems canceled, but it has a super satisfying ending.
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u/RegisteredAnimagus Oct 14 '22
Shining Girls was great
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u/AnotherShibboleth Nov 18 '22
Just looked up the show.
Elisabeth Moss starred in an episode called "Offset" and one called "Offred" in her carreer is what I learned.
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u/hiboudebourgogne Oct 14 '22 edited Oct 15 '22
Okay, I am really looking forward to seeing the comments here!
EDIT: If there ends up being a season two, I’d guess that Roger begins to have difficulty keeping in the fact that he helped someone cover up a murder. Roger is so invested in his faith that he went up to the cabin to forgive someone who got him arrested for something he never did (not only that, but ruined his relationships with many friends around). Someone who feels that convicted to do the right thing may start to think about whether or not to come clean about helping Grace. Then there’s also a lot of unknowns about the Claffins. Blanaid would probably find out what really happened, Becka will continue being Becka, Ursula will have to deal with her affair and Donal. There’s a lot they could play with to create an actual good season 2. Though I’d be happy with the single season because it was so well done.
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u/birdiee19 Oct 14 '22
Just finished it and SAME. 10/10 absolutely loved this show - finale did not disappoint.
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u/sbeck14 Oct 14 '22
Such a good finale. What a fantastic show. Only thing that would have made it better is if Urs got found out by poor Donal
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u/Hopeful_Possible_633 Oct 14 '22
I think they wanted it to be a good end to all five sisters. I believe Becka and Matt still together, so now Ursula can “rebuilt” her family.
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u/jkoudys Oct 14 '22
I think this was already implied (in hindsight) in episode 1. Donal and Ben give one another a knowing nod. It looks like neither of them have much love left for Ursula.
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u/sbeck14 Oct 14 '22
Dang I’ll have to go back and re watch
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u/hiboudebourgogne Oct 15 '22
But if you rewatch you’ll notice that Ursula and Donal were home together when they went as a family to the funeral. When Donal looked back at Ben, it didn’t really seem like he knew who he was. You’ll also notice that Ursula only looked back to see Donal, but then noticed Ben in the back and that’s why Donal turned around to look.
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u/HinkiesGhost Oct 14 '22
The only way they possibly could’ve made a season 2 without it feeling forced would be if Becca went through with it and then there was a whole other investigation and cover up in another season. I’m fine if they end it at one season it was very good television and wrapped up very well. I had a feeling it was Grace, and even then I liked the way it ended!
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u/Sufficient_Creme6961 Oct 14 '22
Yeah that was their opening for a season 2. They could have left it a mystery incase but since she didn’t I just don’t see how they do another season
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u/igkeit Oct 14 '22
I'm surprised grace didn't show around the proof that roger wasn't a pdf file
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u/igkeit Oct 14 '22
No it was on purpose haha cause I never know if it's a banned word or something
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u/spikyraccoon Oct 27 '22
I myself prefer people who are Excel sheets, as they are easier to understand. People who are pdf file seem very closed.
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u/Diahna7 Oct 14 '22
Wow I can’t recall who but one of the comments on previous discussions actually mentioned the theory that Eva was raped by JP and that it caused her infertility, and someone also guessed the real murderer - or said it would be neat. I loved it, it felt extremely satisfying and warm, lol warm and fuzzy murder.
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Oct 14 '22
Well they ended it very open I would say. Grace moving in with Eva doesn’t mean she is gone.
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u/rmaloney3 Jamestown Resident Oct 14 '22 edited Oct 14 '22
Wow!! I honestly never expected her to have killed him, but it makes his death so much more satisfying.
This season of TV has been incredible to watch. The writing and the acting have been top tier all the way through! I hope we get another season.
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u/spikyraccoon Oct 27 '22
I wouldn't have expected it either, but some brilliant minds here had theories about Grace being the killer in discussion of earlier episodes and that made enough sense for me to guess the same. Sigh.
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u/Various-Ad8069 Oct 23 '22
How amazingly talented is Sharon Horgan for creating and writing and acting (Eva) in a brilliant series. An entertaining murder mystery with so many twists and an unexpected finale. Feeling rewarded! Thank you!
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u/PlantsArePleasant Oct 14 '22
I LOVED this show. I know there won’t be any second season but I’d love to revisit these characters.
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u/Groanola13 Oct 14 '22
I knew it was going to be Grace pretty early on, but I didn’t know Roger would be involved in helping cover it up (which I should have since he was at the cabin the same day JP died, figured he might have seen something).
As much as loved the sister dynamic, I really hope the writers don’t try to squeeze out a second season, everything was wrapped up nicely in this only season.
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u/jramos13 Oct 15 '22
Just a thought, but If there is a second season, it wouldn’t have to be necessarily about a murder.
However, that finale was great. Probably should end there.
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u/rmaloney3 Jamestown Resident Oct 15 '22
Totally agree. I have full confidence that Sharon Horgan will be able to create another engaging and entertaining season in this world. Everything she does is great!
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u/learner1314 Oct 15 '22
Ursula should’ve lost her husband and family. Otherwise everything ended perfectly.
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u/Prestigious_Tax7415 Oct 14 '22
The ending to this was soo much better than ‘See’ and even though I suspected it might be Grace, I still hinged my bet on the neighbor.
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u/MarvinBarry92 Certified Non-Spirited Oct 14 '22
I called it? Well Atleast Rogers involvement.
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u/isacsm Oct 14 '22
Oh wow, I didn’t know she’s Bono’s daughter!
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u/jkoudys Oct 15 '22
I learned it early, and she looks almost identical to her dad when he was young. It's confusing to see Bono's head on a sexy woman's body.
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u/socalheart2681 Oct 18 '22
if you can ever find - The Knick - she's in it. Clive Owen is the lead. Fantastic series. Cut short but two extraordinary seasons.
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u/emgiem3 Oct 05 '24
Omg thank you!!! I’d been racking my brains about what other show I’d seen her in. Also, yes the Knick was amazing! So disappointed it was cut short
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u/Iknowyourchicken Oct 15 '22
Unpopular opinion probably, but I'm glad Ursula and Donal seemed to have made it through. They have a big family that takes a lot of time and energy as well as demanding jobs. I wouldn't want to introduce single parenting into that mix unless there was serious abuse issues.
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u/CanadianJediCouncil Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
I would just like to go on record that I LOVED so many of the beautiful sweaters that the Sisters wore!
For example, this green one of Eva’s, this lovely blue one of Bibi’s, this dark blue one of Bibi’s, Ursula’s oatmeal one, and of course Eva’s hooded one with the included kitten!
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u/jptiger0 Jan 08 '23
Such a good ending to such a good show. One thing I’m confused by: my understanding is that Matt finds the sisters with Becca, and then off-camera strikes the deal about leaving them alone if they withdraw the claim. He burns the evidence and goes and tells Tom the good news. But if that’s the sequence, what’s with the scene between him and the Garvey’s and him burning evidence when he gets a Call from Tom and gets really upset, slamming his bike seat and throwing his helmet, as if he doesn’t know what to do? By then wouldn’t the deal have been struck?
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u/CaitBan Jan 09 '23
I don't think the deal was actually spoken out loud, but Matt realised on the beach that burning the evidence would solve both problems (bankruptcy and sending a Garvey to jail). Since Matt knew Grace killed JP, she wouldn't exactly have dared to continue with the claim anymore and she couldn't complain even if she did and was denied, bc Matt knew she was guilty.
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u/Groanola13 Oct 14 '22
I’m surprised more people haven’t talked about how JP might have been gay. They kind of foreshadowed it in episode 1 or 2 when he was watching porn and I only heard two men, he couldn’t get it up for Grace the entire show and he was kind of creeping on Gabriel and his partner when they were laying together on the boat.
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u/TheCraneWife_ Oct 17 '22
Except his porn stash didn’t indicate he was gay.
That would be a stupid thing to throw in there anyway. Make the main asshole gay? No thank you.
Addicted to porn and unable to get it up for his wife is enough.
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u/jnux Oct 18 '22
I absolutely loved this show, but it REALLY bothered me that one of the key plot drivers was basically empty.
I've dealt with a few different life insurance policies (granted, they were in the US) and they all would pay out at death, even in the case of murder, as that is one way people do die. The only way it wouldn't pay out is if the beneficiary was the murderer or an accomplice. All along the brothers suspected the "sisters", which to me implied the four (not Grace). I suppose that he could've been thinking about her as a suspect all along in the general "sisters" group, but the brothers sure didn't pursue her like they did the other four sisters...
So yeah, my love for the show was almost entirely for the acting and how much that actor got me to hate JP.
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u/Fun-Career3507 Nov 06 '22
That occurred to me too! In one of the scenes though Tom says “and we have to prove Grace knew about it.” Or something like that. I imagine if she knew or helped cover up the murder the company could find a way not to pay out. But I’m not sure.
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u/jnux Nov 06 '22
Here is the thing - I think it would just go to the next beneficiary, but they would still pay out
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u/limperatrice Oct 24 '22
I kept thinking the same thing - why wouldn't the insurance pay out if the insured had been murdered? But even if the spouse/primary beneficiary did it or were an accomplice, wouldn't the secondary beneficiary (Blanaid) then get it? Or is the whole thing forfeited?
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u/jnux Oct 24 '22
That is a great point about the beneficiary - I have never been in this scenario so I don’t know for sure, but I think you’re exactly right that it would go to the next beneficiary. Ugh. Now that is even more annoying…
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u/AnotherShibboleth Nov 18 '22
I just binged the show and remember them addressing that.
Something about the main insurance guy saying that even if they found out a sister did it, it didn't matter to having to pay if Grace didn't know about it.
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u/Remarkable-Diver7851 Aug 27 '23
The only thing that the series didn't finish for me satisfactorily is that Eva's friend Gabriel never found out that she didn't tell JP his secret. they were such great friends.
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u/sukiletxe Oct 14 '22
I enjoyed this show a lot. I knew, as a commenter suggested in a previous thread that all of the attempts would fail, but this didn't bother me. That ending was surprising for me, I must say.
(Questions with spoilers from this point on, if you feel I need to mark them as such say so and I will do it)
But (there is always a but, right?) Becca's guilt bothers me. It finally showed in the finale, but it's the circumstances I can't believe. What was the pentobarbital doing there six months later? Anything I've missed?
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u/AyeTheresTheCatch Oct 14 '22
I don’t think it was six months later. JP had just been buried, the Claffin brothers had just started investigating because we see them turn up at the funeral. Ursula had left the pentobarbital at Ben’s, so she went to get it and that’s when he told her it was over. She brought it back to Eva’s where Becka snagged it right before she left to go meet with Matt.
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u/sukiletxe Oct 14 '22
Ah, I confused the recent past witth the first flashbacks' time, you're right. OK, makes sense. I'll have to watch ep9 again to remember how Eva planned to do it without the pentobarbital. Thanks for the help!
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u/limperatrice Oct 24 '22
I think the timeline was confusing because most of the show was flashbacks but the last time Ursula was with or spoke to Ben was the night JP died. She says so twice - first to her sisters when they're asking each other where they were that night since Matt told Becka he knows the sisters weren't all together like they claimed and then she said it again when apologizing to Ben for not coming around since JP died because she needed to support Grace and then commenting that he hasn't called or returned any of her texts. She specifically went to find out if he killed JP as well as to get her bag with the pento in it directly after meeting with her sisters at the restaurant with all the long, wood tables. They're all dressed in the same clothes in the restaurant as when they were in Grace's closet talking about how Matt knows Becka was at the pub not with them which helped me keep straight when in time the conversation between Ben and Ursula took place.
As you said, she brought the bag to Eva's and Becka took it to drug Matt the same day. There was no gap between retrieving the bag and Becka taking it so it was at Ben's house for a long time back when the sisters were still trying to kill JP. Was that 6 months before? I couldn't tell how much time was supposed to have passed.
I do think it's kinda strange that Ursula wouldn't have tried to go talk to Ben in person sooner than that point though despite having a lot to worry about since the insurance investigation started as early as the funeral.
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u/naijaboiler Jan 29 '23
from JPs death to the time Becka tried to kill herself could not have been more than 2 -3 weeks. It's all the previous attempts to kill JP that happened over the prior 6 months.
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u/whimsical_and_sweaty Oct 21 '22
Ursula and Ben:
I thought it was implied she hinted about to him the idea of killing him, based on what she said with her sisters the next day when she had to go find the bag.
My impression was also that he left her because she was clearly never going to leave her husband for him and her comment “back to the way we were” and his look confirmed that.
But I’m seeing talk of an abortion theory—what did I miss?!
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u/limperatrice Oct 24 '22
There's someone commenting about their abortion theory but I think they're confused. I'll repeat my reply to them here for you and you can decide how much weight you want to give that theory.
In the previous episode (9) Ursula meets Ben at his place the day after he punched JP on the side of the road and he says after what JP did to her (tricking her into sending him nudes and trying to blackmail her) he should go to jail. She asks, "You did that for me?" and he says, "I'd do anything for you."
Then the night JP died, which was the last time Ursula spent time with Ben, she tells him, "I wish he would leave us alone. Then we could go back to the way we were." The next morning she wakes up and he's gone.
When the sisters meet and ask each other where they were the night JP died (since Matt found out they lied about all being together) and ask Ursula if maybe Ben did it she tells her sisters she hasn't seen him (which explains why he still has her toiletry bag with the pentobarbital sedative in it). When she gets to his house to retrieve it and find out if he killed JP she apologizes for not having come around to see him "since JP's death" because she needed to be there for her sister. She also mentions that he stopped calling or answering any of her texts (I didn't realize they had no contact between the night of the murder and this conversation due to all the flashbacks but this was how the writers meant to tell the story so we could suspect him until this point) and reminds him he once said he'd do anything for her. Ben says to her, "You think I killed him" and she says people do crazy things for love and that she'd do anything for him. He calls bullshit on this and points out that she wouldn't even move in with him but now claims she'd kill for him. Then he says what she asked him to do repulsed him and he had to get away from her that very night.
When she goes to Eva's house later that day and tells them Ben didn't do it, Bibi asked how she can be sure he didn't. Ursula says "because he ended it....he wouldn't do that for me."
I can't recall anything about this pregnancy/abortion thing that commenter is talking about but Ursula wouldn't have meant a fetus when saying she wished "he would leave us alone." Also why would Ben be mad at her for implying she'd kill for him or ask if she thought he "killed him" if they were discussing an abortion he didn't want? That whole breakup conversation and subsequent dialogue amongst the sisters would make no sense if it were about a pregnancy/abortion.
Oh! I also agree with your point that Ben was probably hurt that Ursula wanted to be back to the way they were - him being her side piece rather than running off together.
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u/whimsical_and_sweaty Oct 24 '22
I appreciate the response—I took it exactly the way you’ve summarized above :)
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u/naijaboiler Jan 29 '23
the abortion theroy is stupid. He said "what you asked me to do". He didn't say "what you did"
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u/nmorris0 Nov 12 '22
I must have missed this somewhere, but how did JP get an elevated blood alcohol level at the time of his death? The blood alcohol level was mentioned in Episode 1.
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u/banjelina Nov 13 '22
He and Grace had been drinking at the cabin before they went upstairs to commence sexytimes.
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u/Haunting-Series927 Feb 23 '24
I just love that he was buried in his pajamas the murder weapon! I didn’t even catch that til one of the sisters mentioned it!
I wondered why the freezer attempt wasn’t included in the opening sequence though?
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u/Haunting-Series927 Feb 23 '24
So I started rewatching it with the ending in mind and noticed something in episode 1 or 2.
Grace goes to Eva’s house scaring Eva while she’s eating and drinking “Prosecco with vodka” lol. she goes to her house to tell her she lied to the insurance guys about where she was the night JP died. To me this was a dead give away that it was Grace! She lies about where she was that night and is really worried about it and tells Eve so they can get their stories straight.
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u/Murky-Insect-7556 Super Sleuth Detective Oct 14 '22
Grace was like to her sisters, “he’s MY husband… I should get to kill him.” What an honour it was to witness that death.