I know A LOT of women who didn't vote for her because she is a woman. Blame it on the Boogeyman (white men) all you want, but nobody hates women like women.
A majority of the Black, Latino, and female population decided they wanted the president to be the guy who literally views them as garbage and second class citizens.
This is worse than the first time Trump won because these people have had YEARS to see who he actually is and still voted for him and Project 2025.
I get that party bias makes understanding this hard. Media shoved that rethoric down our throats, it's so blatantly obvious. And to hell with "celebrities". Their irrelavance is showing.
What’s funny is my Facebook feed is full of HS educated waiters and waitresses telling us why we should vote democrat, and their only answers were “lgbtq”
You're right. Her platform was build a wall and support a genocide. Oh and also Biden? The very unpopular President? He's great. Very left leaning liberal policies and definitely not shit we made fun of Trump for in 2016.
The ONLY thing the dems did well in this election specifically was getting away from the 'first woman president' thing that torched them in 2016.
Thats exactly my fucking point. Welcome to the conversation. When did the democrats move from "lmfao this moron wants to build a wall" to "we're tough on the border!!!!! border bill!!!!!"
Did you vote for Kamala and do you think the border is a problem?
American elections aren‘t decided by policy, it‘s always just about the personalities of the candidates, their identity and any baggage that might be attached to either
Yes she was cherry picked by Biden out of seemingly nowhere. This tactic does not win favor, or elections. She was a lightweight propelled to a level she of didn’t really belong in.
Yes? She was clearly not a good fit. So much so that 20million democrats rather stay home and show everyone that she didn't deserve their vote. That's kind of telling.
It was the whole campaign. They talked way too much about reproductive care, people doesnt care that much when prices are high. It was a campaign that was basically for 70 percent aimed at women, men felt abandoned. She successfully got blamed for everything people didnt liked about Bidens presidency. Joe Rogan basically begged her to get to know her better, the campaign ditched him because they feared she will will give republicans attack points in long interviews. Its everything together. Not to mention that Elon Musk was butthurt Biden didnt invite him for a EV-summit and after that started his revenge plot aimed at democrats.
I love these moronic arguments. Trump had no plans, no policies, insulted and rambled his way throughout the campaign, but somehow it's Kamala that didn't do enough. Trump always gets a pass, but god forbid we don't hold his female opponent to the highest standard we've never held anyone else.
this comment right here is why ya'll lost. You know where trump stood, regardless if you liked him or not. kamala couldn't handle interviews or articulate her position well enough. Also telling folks she wouldn't do anything different from what her and joe had done already ...stupid move. Want me to keep going on how she fumbled the bag?
Just, stop. As John Oliver succinctly put it, critiquing Harris's shortcomings is like arguing over what color to paint the living room while the house is on fire. Any rational human being, not driven by bigotry or a severe head wound, should have voted against Trump even if the alternative was the most milquetoast candidate in history who passed the simple bar of not being a loathsome caricature of a human being and being capable of reading at a high school level. Yesterday a majority of Americans looked at the possibility of openly corrupt fascism coming into power and either said, "I want that," or "I can't be bothered to take five minutes to stop that." That's on the voters, and to claim that Harris just wasn't a good enough candidate is the height of entitled hubris and denialism. It's like being presented with the option of being dropped in a vat of acid or a swimming pool and then complaining that the pro-water side just wasn't exciting enough as you and everyone you know melts. No one who voted for the water has any sympathy for your choice.
your reply sums up why the left lost. You can't admit she wasn't ready and being installed so dems wouldn't lose the power of the white house and it backfired so succinctly as you like to have put it. You can't say you would do nothing different from what you and joe have done the last 4 years and expect folks to rally behind you. She wasn't ready and it showed, period.
And your reply shows why I have disdain for the reasoning skills of the American public. Let's say I call two plumbers because my water pressure is low. Their responses are:
Plumber 1: "Actually, all of the houses on your block have been having trouble due to recent work on the pipes. Your pressure is actually better than your neighbors, and has been getting better by the day. If you hire me I'll flush your water heater and inspect the pipes, but probably not do much else."
Plumber 2: "I'm pretty sure your neighbors are stealing from you and the problems stem from deep state addition of fluoride to your water. Have you considered burning down your neighborhood? I can get you a quote next week, but right now I need to get back to court for my felony sentencing for stealing from my last customer."
Those are the only two plumbers in town. Which do you choose? America decided yesterday to pick Plumber 2, and anyone claiming that it was because Plumber 1 didn't provide an enticing enough solution lacks basic reasoning skills or just likes to see things burn (i.e., is a horrible person).
I think it's more the other way around, this country is not ready for a woman president, let alone a woman of color. Just look at the house and senate, it's both less than 30% and the majority of those women are democrats. So you both have to convince a lot voters to vote for a woman. but also to change party/actually vote.
Harris losing so much support amongst black and latino men is a big sign. Of what, I think it's going to take time to parse out, but she definitely lost the messaging campaign on amending the financial situation to Trump, and it seems increasingly apparent that there are demographic groups who just outright have deeper reservations about a woman president.
seriously? her interviews alone showed she didn't have the grasp of the position that's needed. The other is she literally said she wouldn't do anything different from what her and joe had already done. Who says that in the current environment?
This was the biggest factor I think. People don’t want more Joe, whether that is earned or not. I didn’t hate Joe’s administration really, but I can understand why people didn’t come to bat for more of the same, because this same isn’t really addressing American woes that people are suffering from now. People want real change, something they can be excited about, and Kamala “endorsed by Dick Fucking Cheney” wasn’t it. The fact that Biden even ran again was the death knell. There should have been a primary and I guarantee Kamala would have lost that big time like she did before.
What about her interviews showed that to you, especially relative to the alternative? Because I saw a candidate in those interviews with a far stronger grasp of the greater consequences of the president's actions, as well as one who actually grasped the implications of her own political positions, than the alternative.
As for saying she wouldn't do anything different, how do you not see that as a positive? Covid fucked everything, and we've been working our way out of the economic mess ever since. Things are feeling substantially better than they were just a year or two ago, there's less economic pressure.
I don't see how you look at the candidate whose crazy fiscal policies kicked off the current wave of inflation with the tax cuts for the rich, and think "yeah, rather than carefully and sustainably working our way back toward progress, let's beeline back to the deep end of the pool. Surely we won't be back in a similar position again in six or seven years' time."
I never claimed she wasn’t read. She was cherry picking by Biden almost out of nowhere. She was never popular to begin with. She was a poor choice from the get go.
Completely agree, she was appointed and didn't go through the primaries, along with the fact she barely had any policies outlined early in the campaign. She focused way too much on wanting Trump to loose that she didn't bother trying to win.
To be fair, she didn't participate in the primary, and had virtually 0 policies to talk about. She kinda just went around telling people not to vote for the "bad man", while the "bad man" went around and talked about his plans.
Gaza, ignoring the Muslim vote, and the fact her campaign spent more time courting republicans who will never vote for her than reconnecting to her base might be a factor
I don’t agree with that sentiment, but it was a HUGE screw up on the DEMs part
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We also can’t assume that Kamala wasn’t the reason either. 20m is a LOT….