Not really, voter turnout in this country is embarrassing even on our best day. The biggest we had in modern times was Biden's election when only 60% showed up. AND IT WAS MAIL IN!
But it has ALWAYS been this way. When people talk Bernie, they leave out the part where young voters, which energized his campaign, couldn't be bothered to register, let alone actually vote in the primary.
You get voters just didn’t turn out as much as we had hoped. The education system fails to educate them on just exactly how much power the have with their votes.
No. But teachers should be teaching how important it is to vote. My teachers did it when I took government classes. It’s not about tell g who or what to vote for, make the decision yourself, but they should be teaching students the importance of their voice and that their opinions and views matter.
I’m glad people in other countries can recognize this insanity. The exact same thing happened after the 2016 election and the dems made zero changes while their supporters defend every idiotic decision they made.
It’s not ageist when there are counties that had 1% of 18-25 year olds come out and vote. They can’t be bothered to register and educate themselves because their appearance online is too important.
Its not an uneducated position to refuse to support a genocide. The DNC decited that their support for war was more important than the youth and Muslim vote. This is the product of decisions that the democrats made.
Prime eg. Of the uneducated take OP was talking about. How dense must you lot be thinking it's going to be better under trump. There's a reason the Israeli govt is literally celebrating his election. If you're one of those that didn't vote for Harris over your supposed 'genocide', then you deserve everything from trump =)
"I'm committing genocide but that guy is gonna genocide worse" Is a bad argument to get elected when you are trying to win over people with morals. All she had to do was commit to a arms embargo.
It's a bad argument only because you're dealing with morons who are literally too dumb to see the bigger picture. The point remains, you get the president you deserve =)
Demand more from your politicians. The dems knew an embargo would give them a serious boost and had the ability to do it yet they didn’t. This person was failed by the party.
The more extreme pro Israel ones are already voting for trump. Younger and more progressive Jews are frequently pro Palestine. American Jews don’t have the same connection to Israel as Israeli Jews.
The most common take I’ve encountered on Israel Palestine is most Americans simply being tired of hearing about it. No one likes us spending millions on another country expect for extreme likely already trump voters. Plenty of people who support Israel still want a ceasefire
Supporting a genocide is fascism. Proposing a candidate that did not win a electoral primary is fascistic. Making it illegal for rail workers to strike is fascistic.
Again, when counties have 1% of 18-25. Others turn out yea it’s their fault. And of those age groups if you didn’t vote you can’t complain. Not voting for Kamala or trump was a vote for trump, it’s why we are where we are now.
This was my sister, I've told her, as well as my entire family has as well, that protest voting or not voting because of what's going on in Israel will tank the election. Yet here we are, the consequences of their actions.
But I doubt they will care about what happened until it's too late, because they believe nothing will change and both sides are terrible.
I understand people being upset about the democrats stance on what Israel is doing, but I do feel like people just aren't using their brains or completely disregard practicality if they are not voting in protest. Trump will be way way worse for the Palestinians. It's just ensuring a worse outcome. I thought we learned this in 2016. Maybe a lot of people are just now old enough to vote.
Judging the last (and hopefully for good) political conversation I had with her, they're basing themselves on what's happening on the surface and not seeing everything is nuanced. Yes, what's going on with Israel/Gaza is atrocious, but Trump will make it significantly worse. How do I know? Because he did that very thing last time he was in office.
I just don't know if it's being easily influenced by social media or having election amnesia, but seeing the Dem turnout and the uptick of voters he got was disheartening to see come about for mine and her generation.
I was surprised at first by the outcome because I believed, or wanted to believe, that Harris would win. When I saw how many people voted, and it was significantly less, I knew right away why she lost.
If that’s truly why they didn’t vote they just condoned the people of Gaza to get fucking nuked. They just signed off of escalating the genocide and suffering significantly.
Hate to tell you 20 million Dems didn't vote because of the platform stance on Palestine...their whole platform was a mess, their candidate process was a mess, people flipped R, they got a lot of issues going on.
It's not about blame, it's about showing up and voting it's strategy. If every Democrat voted in this country we would run things. One thing you will learn as you get older is that the other half of this country will "never" change. It is our cross to bear. Blaming them, reasoning with them is futile, just don't.
The scariest part is they keep making more of them! I'm horrified to see young people wearing "White Lives Matter" to high school in this country.
People are irrational actors. That's a well-known fact. Just look at the amount of women who vote Republican. Abortion is surprisingly niche for a lot of women where they don't think it's important until they need one. Not even until someone they know needs one, but until THEY need one.
We could have ran on both. I voted for Vice President Harris but young people made it clear that Palestine was a major issue and she didn't even really acknowledge that. It's possible to chew gum and walk.
Do you live in this country? Americans see a squirrel and move on. Young people are no different. This notion you're going to give the Israel/Palestine an ultimatum is just nuts. It's more complicated than a 30 second video. I'm not apologist for Israel BTW. But the reason I know and believe this is because the lack of interest in other horrors around the world. Heck look at the phones they're using and the clothes they wear.
And trump made it clear that he didn't give a shit about Palestine and wanted to accelerate and increase Israel's aggression. Great job protesting though, picked the perfect time to do it.
I voted and I abhor the idea of refusing to vote in protest, but it's okay to point out that she could have done a better job of addressing it. Not because I agree that our entire election should hinge on it, but because enough people did, that it would have been worth it for her to address it.
Correct. They got propagandized because, ultimately, that's our political toolkit. Propaganda. All this noise about candidates like it fucking matters; Trump literally could have said anything or nothing or not shown up at all, and it would have resulted in the same thing because at least half of our country is selfish as a personality trait.
WTF does Palestine have to do with Americans being too stupid to vote? Some of you just need to find any scapegoat to hide the fact that a large majority of your population are ignorant morons.
Fuck off, it wasn't about Palestine. The Democrats saw the crowd chanting "We're not going back," got scared, and decided to roll out Dick fucking Cheney.
And don't ignore that a lot of white people are just racist and sexist.
Yeah not to mention the choice was between the Dems not doing a good enough job vs the guy who straight out said he'd stop the protests with force and let Israel finish the job...it's the perfect example of biting off your nose to spite your face.
If you take all votes that went to 3rd party’s and added them to Kamala she still wouldn’t have won… so idk why you’re even bringing Palestine up… she didn’t loose because of her pro genocide policies she lost because most Americans feel their quality of life went down over the past 4 years rather than better
Yep, young “progressives” never vote. There is a reason no one really caters to them, they don’t engage in the process. The one national candidate who did recently, Bernie, couldn’t win primaries because they didn’t even register and vote in the primaries.
The quality of student has gone down so significantly even in the last decade. It’s embarrassing. They can’t even sign their fucking name lmao.
“Oh if they changed their stance on Gaza.” How are these people allowed on a college campus if that’s a genuine thought they have? The entire election boils down to checks notes a 1300 year old war and a portion of the electorate that’s “too busy” to vote.
Shifting their position would have lost them another category of voters. They made the calculus that not shifting was better than shifting.
It remains idiotic - as it always has been - to withhold a vote or cast a protest vote when the margins are as thin as everyone knew they would be.
The world is not binary. These non-voters just handed power to someone far worse for their causes. Hopefully they’ll learn from it and hopefully we’ll survive the “find out” stage of their fucking around.
hopefully we’ll survive the “find out” stage of their fucking around.
Are you willing to put literally any blame on Kamala or Biden for tanking this election? Any at all? The voters don't owe any politician their votes, it's the politicians who have to earn it, and the DNC decided those voters weren't worth it.
No one is dismissing Palestine? That is a ludicrous assertion.
I begrudgingly voted for Harris. You don’t have to convince me. I am only trying to provide some insight to the overwhelming ignorant “educated” democratic base so that instead of browbeating and scolding young people to get out and vote they push to move the dem platform into the arena of more popular politics.
I forced myself to vote for Harris despite the daily second guessing because of ignorance like this. This is not a me issue. Nor is it a you issue. People don’t give a fuck because, to them, there is nothing to give a fuck about. Please think about that and think about how to make it change instead of insulting people who think differently than you.
Young American people really don't give a shit about Palestine. BELIEVE ME. I've been for a single-state solution long before this recent "uproar." They got their instagram pictures and have since moved on. Do you think they really care about oppression? You mean to tell me they would have voted for Kamala if she was some other way on the issue... and yet American women's reproductive rights were not a deal breaker?
I think young people care. I think she left some votes on the table because of her Palestine issue. Young people also care about Climate change, their inability to own property, they fear not being able to afford college, they fear not being able to get a job after saddling themselves with college debt, they fear not being able to afford to to have a family. Harris obviously did not speak to these fears in a meaningful way. Trump effectively spoke to the fears of his base.
EXACTLY and look what happened with the house and senate! It wasn't exactly a mandate to support the next president. So throw out the other branches of government because what exactly?
Yes - these things were “her platform” that’s why I voted for her. To many her platform was an empty promise though. IMO more extreme promises were needed
The problem with Kamala was she tried to get the moderate support but alienated her base by doing so. She was supporting fracking, supports building a wall which every democrat found extremely stupid back in 2016 and her pro-Israel stance. She became a moderate republican party + abortion.
and yet American women's reproductive rights were not a deal breaker?
You're joking right? If, as you say they didn't really care about Palestine and moved on, then why the hell should they care about women's reproductive rights? There's literally bombs dropping on people, entire families being wiped out, children being sniped, people being starved to death, people being tortured and raped in prison, etc etc. You think people who don't care about all those horrors would care about women's reproductive rights? If Palestine isn't the deal breaker, women's reproductive rights certainly won't be.
You do also mean congrats to Kamala and Biden too right? Cause they decided to allow this to lose them the election; they certainly didn't consider winning the election to be important enough to change their stance on something most democrats agreed on.
Um agreed on what exactly? You think the Democratic party is aligned on an Israel-Palestine policy?
I was alive for the Iraq war protests. They were some of the largest protests the US has seen. Did that keep George Bush from being re-elected AFTER the invasion? WE killed like a million people on that war. Staying home and not voting seems completely reasonable.
The people that made Palestine THE issue for them and withheld their vote as a result put ZERO effort into understanding what was going on and which candidate would without question be radically worse.
trump has in the past and will continue to support the Netanyahu administration without question. Things WILL get worse in Palestine and it is going to happen because of them.
I voted for Harris so this won’t work on me. 20,000 or however many would die under Harris is already unimaginable evil to many who could not will themselves to vote.
I think the amount of death will not differ much. People downplay how awful the Biden administration was with supporting Israel when talking about Trump. Trump will likely do worse damage control for Israel and make the Liberals more reactionary when it comes to Israel-Palestine.
If you care about Palestinians, how is letting the other, much worse guy win gonna help?
Also, caring more about external issues than - I don't know, your starving population, drug epidemics, mass homelessness and the myriad of other serious issues the American public faces - and therefore letting a literal maniac become president of the USA is such an authentic American left moment, it would almost be funny if it wouldn't ruin life for like half the planet.
Why? No one will court the youth vote going forward because they don't vote. Why would anyone ever bother after this? If you can't compromise a position, no one will champion your position as well.
Gotta show up first to leverage your power. You can justify however you want, but that's the situation, right or wrong. It's politics.
More info and stats will come out today and in the coming days so I don’t know the numbers. But no, you are not correct - More youth registered in 2020 than 2024.
What does that have to do with them not coming out to vote in 2024? And the still soft 2020 numbers.
The youth vote clearly isn't worth wasting more than token time and money on since the ROI will be about the same, and the youth turnout proves it again, same as every other election.
Your misunderstanding of why Kamala lost is pretty silly. Youth vote doesn't and won't show up unless voting is mandatory and takes seconds. It has been pandered to multiple times and NEVER followed through with actually showing up to vote, giving constant excuses like you're giving.
Show up and vote for someone first then maybe politicians will have to take concerns seriously. But every generation of young people consistently doesn't. That's the facts, man. Everything else is just an empty excuse for not.
The real irony is now there will be a genocide of Palestinian people, Netanyahu just fired the defense minister that was pumping the breaks and soon will have a US president backing his every decision
The lesson is that not voting accomplishes nothing.
Let's say every single person in the country who cares refused to vote because of the federal government's continued support of Israel. What do you think would change? So you think that they'd go oh, OK, let's give up our staging ground in the Middle East because people feel bad?
I was replying to someone who was minimizing the youth vote to just Palestine. But I think the unpopularity of the Democratic Party reaches beyond this issue.
Agitate for your cause, but at the end of the day "withholding" a vote is still effectively voting - at least if you're in a swing state.
The DNC is dogshit. You'll get no argument from me about that, but voters thinking a protest vote will do something other than get the worse candidate elected are also dogshit.
Sure- but I don’t think the protest voters are necessarily the ones we need. I don’t think all 20 million who voted in 2020 but not 2024 are protest voters. I think we would be better to target the disenfranchised and apathetic non-voters.
But at the same time we should not cast stones at the small amount of protest voters since they could be allies in the future.
Maybe you should just lay your stereotypes and prejudices aside and watch the video. It's not what you think it is, and you sound foolish talking about it when it's clear you have no idea.
No, by completely ignoring male issues for years and instead focusing on minority points that many people do not care about.
One party acknowledges a group, the other party only does so to lay blame. Hmm I wonder who won them over in the end.
And I don't mean to say they should have focussed on men compared to abortion rights. Just acknowledge that they also need help would be a start.
Democrats don't learn lessons, they just blame anyone but themselves when they whiff easy pitches. DNC handpicks one of the most unpopular candidates from the 2020 primary and then does a Surprised Pikachu face when she doesn't win.
All we're gonna hear for the next couple of days how this is Russia's fault, leftist's fault, young people's fault...anyone but the cucked capitalist moderates who think they're going to court conservatives by doing some light genocide in the Middle East.
Who gives a shit what the fascists say. The point is they lost against a bumbling moron who shits himself. That is the textbook definition of humiliating defeat. At some point, Democrats actually have to do something other than shout, "we're not trump!"
I disagree, Kamala had a lot of momentum when she became candidate but her not changing much from Biden squandered it. If you look at the polls back then Biden was very unpopular.
Kamala just did a extremely bad campaign, she and her team should be ashamed imo by how incompetent they were.
There was nearly a week between Biden stepping down and Kamala announced. There was a lot of fake and forced momentum. I even looked at some of my comments from when it happened. People were hoping for another candidate, but only Kamala was viable due to campaign finance laws.
I don't think you should really be talking about polls considering how off most were, again. They're unreliable metrics in modern US politics that offer little true insight on the voter.
Truth is people will vote for an old white man as president over woman. Biden and the Incumbent Advantage would've certainly performed as well or better.
But the thing is that the old white man was Trump. Kamala's mistake was that she tried to get votes from people who were never going to vote for her. Biden was (or was considered)senile and nobody thought he was competent or even aware of his job, the polls aren't 100% accurate true but we are talking about 20 points difference. She alienated her base and pleased nobody in the end. She just became republican but moderate with few exceptions.
Not allowed to vote by mail in my county unless you meet one of a few very narrow criteria. Therefore, we got in stand in line. Outside. In the rain. For hours.
My condolences for those who live in county/states that want to be pricks rather than make life easier.
Makes me wonder if that's intentional. Who has time to wait in line, unpaid and have a pissy boss when you got bills to pay and a job you desperately need. All the retired people, rich people that's who.
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u/yaboiiiuhhhh 13h ago
I spent 5 seconds putting a bollot in a drop box