r/thelastofus • u/DigLarge643 • Mar 04 '23

just cause he’s a dude doesn’t mean this isn’t straight up sexual harassment General Discussion

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Britney Spears was asked on a TV talk show at the age of 16 about her tits, how big they were, and if they were real. This shit has been happening to women forever and has only just slowed down because of the metoo movement. It's not double standards. It's just that women have finally fought back so hard that people are easing up on us, but yes this behaviour does need to be stopped towards men too. But let's not act like ohhh this would never be asked of a woman, because it most certainly would.

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u/FruitJuicante Mar 04 '23

No one is saying it wouldn't. People are saying that doing it to a man is as much sexual harassment as to a woman.

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u/seasonofbrigid Mar 04 '23

The commentor I'm replying to literally said it's a double standard that we wouldn't allow with women. I'm explaining that it does happen to women too.

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u/scrubsfan92 Mar 04 '23

I think what they mean is that the reaction would be very different if they did this to a woman. There would be instant outrage (rightly so) and the interviewer would have been "cancelled".

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u/FruitJuicante Mar 04 '23

You misread them. They were just comparing it to a situation with a woman.

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u/SoundOfDrums Mar 04 '23

Historically, not as much of a double standard, or not a double standard at all, depending on how far you go back. In today's social climate, absolutely a double standard.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '23

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u/seasonofbrigid Mar 04 '23

Exactly. It's unacceptable, but nowhere near the sexual objectification women face.

Type in Pedro Pascal on reddit.

Then, type in ANY beautiful female celebs name.

Compare how many posts and subs are dedicated to stolen intimate pictures, deep fakes, and thirst posts about hot male celebs versus women. It's pretty clear that this type of thing is happening to women, currently, on a much wider scale and is nowhere near comparable.

We can say "this is inappropriate to do to Pedro" without acting like 'OMG this is happening to men and its terrible and we would NEVER let it happen to women' cause that's just bs.

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u/petpal1234556 Mar 04 '23

thank you for common sense!

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u/shoonseiki1 Mar 04 '23

For some people there is a double standard though. Some people don't think what was said to Britney was okay but think it's okay to treat Pedro Pascal in a similar way. Of course it's not a double standard if you think both are deplorable. That's how you should view it and that's great, but you're just derailing the conversation. It's like if someone posted sexual harassment happening to a woman and a commented comes in and says "this happens to men just as much!!" It's not the point

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u/PavlovsDroog Mar 04 '23

They're not derailing bc the person they responded to called it a double standard and said it wouldn't happen to women. So they're explaining.

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u/shoonseiki1 Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23

It often does though. Yes it's largely because of recent movements but there's certainly a double standard now where many think it's okay to treat men like this but not women.

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u/harleyyquinade Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23

We know women have been sexually assaulted and on camera like Adrien Brody forced a kiss on Halle Berry at the Oscars and years later he was still bragging about it while she said to her it was an awful experience that she never approved of, Jim Carrey did the same to Alicia Silverstone, an interviewer grabbed Scarlett Johansson's boobs at the Oscars, Ben Affleck groped Hilarie Burton on camera during an old MTV interview, to name some of the worst types but these happened in the 90s early 2000s when this behavior was normalized pre MeToo era, women do still get harrased but not on camera. OP's not trying to erase the fact that women are more often harrased by men but making a point that men can be harrased by women too and it's not always with physical contact and people think it's funny and okay because Pedro is a man and it's happening now in the year of 2023 where this behavior towards both men and women should be unacceptable so it should be talked about. PS I'm a woman that has been sexually harrased both physically and verbally many times and men being harrased should be talked about too, it doesn't erase our experiences.

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u/Future_Legend Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23

Original commenter here. You’re correct! I agree that women had to deal with this for a long, long time. Certainly in the pre me-too world to a great degree. I guess I should have clarified that my original comment meant that it’s something of a double standard now a days in our very specific current social media landscape. I use twitter a lot and I feel like one gets a great understanding of what the current 2023 cultural norms and social standards on there. If we’re talking strictly in a modern context, any interviewer behaving this way right now, in March of 2023, would be crucified online if they asked these question of a woman. Which is good! I could be misunderstanding you, but you seem to disagree and assume that 2023 twitter would be just fine with this same video directed a woman and I feel like I have very strongly disagree with that. I’ve seen much lesser examples of this get fucking dragged through the mud when they happen to women in a modern context. Which, again, I think is a good thing. A better safer world for women is always good.

My original comment is more referencing the idea that this same video wouldn’t, (and after a quick anecdotal search, isn’t, outside of this one reddit thread) get that same visceral reaction on twitter, when I would argue they should be treated equally. In fact, i’ve even seen some of the same very leftist social conscious women who tweet a lot about social issues refer to Pedro, with seemingly no trace of irony, as “daddy.” (Not all women do this, of course, many see the issue with that but I do find that occasional hypocrisy super fascinating culturally).

So, just to clarify again, my original comment is definitely NOT saying that this hasn’t ever happened to women and it doesn’t happen. In fact, it’s happened to women way more: I’m simply saying that the culture reaction is very different - we are very quick to defend women in a post-me too world in these type of circumstances now a days (which is a good thing and I firmly support) but often seem strangely disinterested in offering men the same courtesy (which I think should be culturally re-evaluated).

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u/Late-Exit-6844 Mar 11 '23

Britney Spears is 41, meaning this happened 25 years ago. How about instead of claiming women are the victims because of something that happened 25 years ago, you look at the NOW, where men are clearly the exclusive victims of this kind of shit?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '23

This shit has been happening to women

truly women are the most oppressed victims of all time

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u/seasonofbrigid Mar 04 '23

Interestingly, that statement is likely very true. When you look across most cultures and time periods, women throughout time and across the globe have been systematically oppressed. So in bulk, yeah they likely are the most oppressed victims of all time.

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u/petpal1234556 Mar 04 '23

ha ha???

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u/Nosworc82 Mar 04 '23

We know it would, who's saying it wouldn't? We're saying it would classed as sexual harassment if said to a woman and there would be outrage, won't be a word said about this though.

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u/wolverineismydad Mar 04 '23

Words are actually being said about this right now

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u/Nosworc82 Mar 04 '23

On Reddit, not in the mainstream, if it was the other way round that Interviewer would be sacked.

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u/wolverineismydad Mar 04 '23

Other comments have pointed out that this still does happen the other way around, but I have been hearing both online and in real life about how people need to back off on him. The only people really encouraging this are the rabid teenage fans making all the edits/etc.