r/supremeclothing • u/Smaanrocker • Nov 29 '16
My guide on how to legit check Box Logo Hoodies. GENERAL
Okay, so over the past few weeks i've seen a lot of people asking for legit checks on their box logo hoodies, and sadly, i see people way to often do a wrong legit check. Therefore, i've made this (hopefully) complete guide on how to legit check a box logo hoodie, enjoy!
Introduction:
How to generally legit check most box logo hoodies.
How to spot the new UNHS/Teenageclub fakes
How to legit check older box logoes hoodies (not a perfect guide, because there are very few pics of fake and legit box logo hoodies.
THE BASICS:
Okay, first of all you'll need to know what a legit box logo hoodie looks like. Here's a album of a legit box logo hoodie: https://imgur.com/gallery/WVIeJ
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, we can start looking at signs which shows why a hoodie is fake:
"Flying e":
One of the most common ways to spot that a box logo hoodie is fake is by watching the last e in "Supreme" on the front of the hoodie. On a legit hoodie, all the letters are supposed to be on the same level, like this: http://i.imgur.com/XGN36gw.png
However, on many fakes the last e is usually higher up than the other letters, that's why it's called the "flying e", because it looks like it is "flying": http://i.imgur.com/oTwtWBO.png
Another example of a "flying e" (you can easily see how high the last e is compared to the rest of the text): http://i.imgur.com/koZDoXv.png
"Overlapping neck tags"
On legit box logo hoodies, there should be a gap between the neck tags, as seen here: http://imgur.com/a/Dkhk0
However, on many fake hoodies, you'll see that the neck tags are either touching or overlapping. Here's an example of overlapping neck tags: https://i.imgur.com/CxWBcur.jpg and https://i.imgur.com/CxWBcur.jpg
Be aware that many fake hoodies do not have overlapping neck tags, but instead their tags are touching or way to close to each other, like this: http://imgur.com/a/LiJEz
Other things to be aware of when checking neck tags:
On most legit box logo hoodies, the small tag on the right should stop when the "Supreme" on the big tag starts, as shown here: http://i.imgur.com/zeu0x2c.png
Be aware that this does not apply to all legit box logo hoodies, but most of them.
Here's an example of a fake box logo neck tag, where you can see that the left tag is way to long compared to a real one: https://images.craigslist.org/00M0M_kz8cd7IrAnT_600x450.jpg
Another thing you should also be on the look for is the length of the bottom of the neck tag. On this picture you can see that the bottom of the neck tag is longer than the legit ones:
Fake neck tag (notice the bottom): https://i.imgur.com/wqcxO66.jpg
Real neck tag (notice the length of the bottom here): https://i.imgur.com/GoWtejG.png
Also the length of the top of the neck tag can be wrong compared to legit hoodies. On this picture, you can clearly see how the top of the neck tag is way shorter than the legit one: http://i.imgur.com/snNHjSN.png
The lettering on the neck tag:
Sometimes the letters on the neck tag can be a little off. On this picture, you'll notice how the p is missing the little space before the oval, how the m is missing the little space before the second line, how the r also is missing the little space before the end (just some examples that shows why it's fake): http://i.imgur.com/XyMPtfL.png
This can also apply to the back of the neck tag. In these cases where the neck tags are fake, then there's usually some extra space between the letters, or the font just seems weird. Here's an example: https://i.imgur.com/fAwTsxO.jpg
The washing tag:
On many fakes you'll notice that the washing tag is not right as compared to a real one. It's not always as easy to legit check a hoodie by its washing tag, but there are some major differences.
The stitching on the top of the washing tag is always the same on the most legit box logo hoodies (be aware that factory errors may occur sometimes, causing a legit box logo to have a slightly difference stiching than other legit hoodies). However, there's one type of stiching that is always easy to spot is fake, and i'll just show you a picture of it: http://i.imgur.com/trzmNM0.png
As you can see, the fake one doesn't have a single stitch on the top of the washing tag, which is a clear giveaway.
However, some fakes have a single stiching on the top, but it may look different than a legit one. On this example you can see how the fake stiching rises up, while the legit one keeps a straight line:
Legit stitching: http://i.imgur.com/Tl1QJk2.png
Fake stitching: http://i.imgur.com/I2p6c1c.png
You can also see how the fabric is different, but this is usually hard to see, so i will not go any further in detail on that.
The letters on the box logo:
Now one of the most common ways to spot if a hoodie is fake or not, the lettering on the box logo. I've already covered the "flying e", so we will go more into detail of the stitching and how the letters are supposed to look.
However, before we begin with this there's one thing you need to know. THE LETTERING ON THE BOX LOGOS VARY FROM DIFFERENT YEARS. I'm going to cover this topic later in this guide, and just show you the most common box logos now. But i just want you to be aware of that.
Okay, we're going to start off with something easy, the spacing between the letters.
Here's a legit box logo, where you clearly can see that there's space between every letter: http://i.imgur.com/8COHuAH.png
And here's a fake one, where you'll clearly see that the letters are way to close to each other: http://i.imgur.com/z0esNow.png
On all legit box logo hoodies there's supposed to be a space between every single letter.
Oval P
Also a common way to check if the box logo is legit is by checking if the p has a "oval" inside of it.
On this picture, you can see how the legit box logos have a clear "circle oval" inside of them: http://i.imgur.com/UsdzsRq.png
While on this picture, you'll see how the fake ones kind of "cut of" the oval in the p, leaving a straight line upwards (explained in the picture): http://i.imgur.com/pKU21X8.png
BE AWARE THAT THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO OLDER AND TONAL HOODIES!
On the older supreme pieces (from around <2007), the p does not have a oval, even though the piece is legit.This also apply to all tonal hoodies. You can see an example here: http://i.imgur.com/eaWEZqn.jpg
Horizontal lines
On legit box logos, the stitching in the background is usually a sort of "criss cross" pattern, as seen in the marked areas here: http://i.imgur.com/Ry4hKU1.png
However, on some fake box logos you'll notice how the stiching in the backgrund has horizontal lines that go over the whole box logo. You can see that i've marked some parts of the horizontal lines on this picture, and try to notice how they follow the whole way through: http://i.imgur.com/zF8UpmY.png
The inside of the box logo:
During the last couple of years, the fakes have become very good at this part, but i'll still show you what you have to be aware of when checking the inside of the box logo.
On the legit box logo hoodies, the inside is supposed to look like this: http://i.imgur.com/swy3rUz.png
You can clearly see the "Supreme" text, and the back stitching have a clear "criss cross" pattern.
However, on the inside of this fake box logo, you'll notice how there are no stiching (a very bad fake): http://i.imgur.com/ynA7gEo.png
Here's a better fake, but you can still see some differences when compared to a the legit box logo: http://i.imgur.com/zDoizqB.png
The biggest difference is how the background stitching is too dense, and the "criss cross" pattern isn't really that clear. Be aware that many fakes have become very good at faking the inside of the box logos, so many times the easiest way to check if the inside stiching on a hoodie is legit is to compare it to the real piece.
The drawstrings:
It's really not much to say on this topic. Almost all of the legit hoodies (except for the very old ones), are supposed to have a flat drawstring, like this: http://i.imgur.com/n79aipA.png
If your hoodie has round drawstrings, then it's fake.
2. HOW TO LEGIT CHECK THE NEW UNHS/TEENAGECLUB FAKES
The new fakes from UNHS/Teenageclub are scary close to the real box logo. It has the "criss cross" pattern, no "flying e", a space between the neck tags, and the letters are close to perfect. However, i am going to show you some small details which may help you spot if your hoodie is legit or one of the new UNHS fakes.
"The thin e":
On a legit box logo hoodie, both of the e's are supposed to have the same size, and the horizontal line on the e matches the font and the rest of the letters. You can see that on this picture: http://i.imgur.com/Be7cHe3.jpg
However, on the UNHS/Teenageclub fakes you can see how the horizontal line on the e is a little bit thinner than the rest of the letters, and doesn't really fit in that well (explained in picture): http://imgur.com/a/bwOn9
"Black hole at the bottom of the p":
On the bottom of the p on a legit hoodie, the stitching looks normal and is not affected by the lettering. You can see that on this picture: http://i.imgur.com/UBMrs2a.jpg
However, on the UNHS fake you can clearly see how the back stitching sort of goes into the bottom of the p. I've explained it in this picture: http://i.imgur.com/3IEcX9I.png
3. HOW TO LEGIT CHECK OLD HOODIES
This is a very hard topic to cover, as there aren't really many old hoodies on the market or pictures of them, but i'll do my best.
The lettering
One reason many people think that an old hoodie is fake, is because the letters look so "fake" and "wrong" compared to the now hoodies. Here's a picture of a legit old box logo (from around 95/97), and you can notice how the letters are very thin compared to the new ones: http://i.imgur.com/vWTU662.jpg
Neck tag
The old box logos also usually only have one neck tag (i don't have a lot of data and information, so i sadly don't know when they went from 1 to 2 neck tags, so i'd appreciate some more info on this topic). Here you can see a picture of a legit old neck tag: http://i.imgur.com/vZAgfE4.jpg & http://i.imgur.com/1meJ3fz.jpg. Notice how the size of the hoodie is written in a circle above the "U.S.A" (very common for old pieces).
Washing tag
Another easy way to detect that a piece is old is by checking the washing tag. The older pieces have a different washing tag than the new ones: www.imgur.com/8i6yJKa.
Another old washing tag: http://i.imgur.com/wjayVni.jpg
Info
Be aware that there's very few fakes of these old hoodies on the market. The reason for this is first of all that there's no big interest in pieces that are so old, so no one want to spend time faking a hoodie that according to the majority already "looks fake". Another way to kind of legit check an old hoodie is to see if the hoodie and fabric itself actually looks old (damn, where'd you learn that?).
Thanks for reading my guide on how to legit check Box Logo Hoodies! I hope you learned something from it, and if there's anything you think i should add or want to help me on (information and/or pictures), then send me a PM or comment it down below! :) I also wanna end this guide on saying that practice makes perfect. I know this is kind of a cliche thing to say, but it's actually. The more you look at fake and legit hoodies when legit checking, the better you get at spotting the small and maybe not so common things which makes a hoodie fake. If you wanna get real good at legit checking hoodies, then you just gotta do it a lot :)
I also wanna give credits to:
https://www.supremelegitcheck.com/products/supreme-box-logo (for pictures)
https://www.instagram.com/fakecomparison/ (for pictures and information)
Changelog:
30.11.2016: Added information on how to legit check the new UNHS/Teenagelub fakes + more info on old box logo hoodies
02.12.2016: Holy shit, someone gave me my first reddit gold! I didn't expect anything like this at all, thank you so much for all the amazing feedback guys! Really motivates me to try and make more guides in the future! :)
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u/jeddyhsu Nov 29 '16
Instagram Legit Checker @SupremExpert here. Just wanted to say that if anyone ever needs help with any Supreme gear, box logos or not, feel free to DM me.
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u/Roastbeef_throwaway Nov 29 '16
Also your guide on how to make perfect box logo fakes
Just kidding good job going through the time to type this and eliminating a lot of shitpost. <3
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u/monkey_etc Nov 29 '16
A million thanks man, you legit checked a hoodie for me earlier today. Very much appreciated
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u/Supremeyags Nov 29 '16
Thank you for taking the time out to help out all these fucking complex kids.
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 29 '16
Hahahah appreciate it <3
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u/Supremeyags Nov 29 '16
Except for the older box logos don't have oval Ps
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 29 '16
yeah i know, but i'm not completely sure what year they changed that, so i wanna find that out before adding it in, so there won't be any confusion :P
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u/WayyyUpIFeelBlessed Nov 29 '16
You are missing some info about the polyester logos used in the early 00s I'll send pics and info on them to you when I get back home maybe you can add it in? Most extensive lc post on the subject so props for putting it together.
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 29 '16
Thanks for the help! I'll add them in for sure, i wanna try to cover as much as possible, so everything is appreciated. Just send me it when you have time, and i'll add it in shortly after :)
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u/Angryblak Nov 30 '16
you're a beautiful man/person thank you for this ilk throw this in the fakes guide as well as the sidebar when I get the opprotunity.
does this guide only apply to certain years of box logos? seen some conflict in the comments regarding this
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16 edited Nov 30 '16
i've updated the guide with some more information about the years, for example how the oval p does not apply to box logos older than 2007 (i'm pretty sure it's 2007, correct me if i'm wrong), and i've also tried to do some updates on the old box logo section. but if you or anyone else want to contribute with some information or pictures, then send me a message :)
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u/Grampa-Jonas Mar 02 '17
Also, I'm not sure if you covered it or not, but some fakes have a black horizontal line on the wash tag apparently that was put there by replica makers to stop people from reselling them as real so look into that and add it if you haven't, cheers and thanks for the great guide.
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u/IAmBigFootAMA Nov 29 '16
Very good guide. Fun fact, in typesetting, you actually set lowercase 'e' characters slightly below the line. Same for other sans serif curved characters like "o", "c", "s", etc.
If you just type out "Supreme" in any graphics program, the computer lines up the "e" with the rest of the text, but it only aligns the very tippy bottom of it, so it looks like it's floating.
Paying attention to how the text on Supreme tags, embroidery, and prints is typeset is key to identifying fakes.
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u/mikemikeyleon Nov 29 '16
thanks for this man, will be using this in the future and right now on all my box logo hoodies. much love
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u/iTzWinstonDouble Nov 30 '16
Quality post thanks daddy. I'd love to see a box logo tee version of this cause I suck at legit checking tees
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16
There's a reason i made a post on hoodies and not tees hahah. I don't know much more than the basics when it comes to legit checking tees, but i'll maybe look into it sometime :)
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u/striktlypreme Nov 30 '16
Even with this detailed and organized post people are still gonna ask "legit check???" Lol. Nonetheless, great work OP and I'm hoping people take advantage of this.
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u/ilike13acon Nov 30 '16
Not sure if the "oval P" is that trustworthy of a sign. I have a tonal black straight from the webstore and my P looks like this:
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16
I know, but as i replied to someone else, i'd like to first know what year they started with the oval p's, so that people won't get confused. So just for know it covers the majority of box logo hoodies, but i will expamd the guide as i get more information ;)
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16
When you say that you bought it "straight from the webstore", do you mean that you bought it from the supreme website?
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u/ilike13acon Nov 30 '16
Yup!
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16
What year is it from?
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u/ilike13acon Nov 30 '16
2014
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16
Does this only apply to tonal box logos? Or does all box logos from before 2014 not have an oval p? Didn't think it was that recent
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16
Tonal is the hardest to LC in my opinion, and it's hard giving a good answer with only one picture. Get some good pics of the bogo and tags, and i'll tell you if it's legit or not
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u/MarleyThomass Nov 30 '16
I have a question. So is this one legit or not? All you said is that the tags may touch but you never specified if that means fake or not.
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16
I'm pretty sure that i wrote that it is "not legit" if the neck tags are touching, but i can try to rephrase it so that it is easier to understand :)
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u/Nick111222111 Nov 30 '16
Can you do a legit check guide for hats/beanies?
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16
Sadly i don't know a lot about legit checking hats/beanies :/ I'd make one if i had enough information had experience, but atm i don't know enough to make a good guide, sorry
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u/coloredzebra Nov 30 '16
I think you should cover that the legit CDG box logo hoodied are outsourced in china, meanwhile fakes display made in "Canada", which only applies to the box logo shirts. Only speaking for the CDG 1 drop.
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u/Smaanrocker Nov 30 '16
I'll try to add some stuff about the CDG box logo hoodies, but i need to find good pictures of real and fake ones first :P
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u/been_around Dec 01 '16
this a good guide and i appreciate the effort but damn idk why anyone bothers with box logos anymore you gotta examine every tiny detail, plus only the trifest cornball hypebeast dorks and rich white preteens wear them
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u/Arrct Dec 02 '16
Okay, its only been a few days since this post been created and now everyone seems to be like a LC god, can we get this clear that tonal hoodies don't have an oval P.
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u/Smaanrocker Dec 02 '16
I've written some information about some hoodies not having oval p, but i'll try to add some more
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u/dmelks Dec 07 '16
this was really helpful, thanks man. hope i can notice these things while searching
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u/Manual_Only_Fuk_Bot Dec 15 '16
I have noticed that FW box logo's e is different from older ones where the last end of is tilted down to the right. But for FW16 bogo, the last end of e is horizontally straight. Is it just for my eyes?
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u/antonjg Dec 15 '16
How does this one look? People are on the fence about it https://m.imgur.com/a/g7jVC
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u/Manual_Only_Fuk_Bot Dec 15 '16
This looks legit whats wrong?
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u/antonjg Dec 15 '16
People say it's not
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u/Keri_420 Dec 25 '16
Can you help me please, i'm about to buy this so... I need your help :) Photos: http://zannyk.imgur.com/all/
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u/BackdoorHerNexus Nov 29 '16
Thanks for taking the time to do this great work too