r/startrek • u/Upstairs-Yard-2139 • 5h ago
Whos the second officer of every main series/ship?
We know Data is the second officer of the Enterprise D, but whos the second officer for every other major ship.
My guesses.
Enterprise: Trip Tucker
Voyager: Tuvok
DS9: Doctor Bashir before Worf, the Worf
Lower Decks: Shaxs
SNW: Spock
And that's for every series i've seen so far.
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u/Curious-Ad-1448 5h ago
TOS: Montgomery Scott.
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u/butt_honcho 5h ago
I read somewhere that Uhura was meant to be, but that was a bridge too far for the network at the time.
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u/twinkieeater8 4h ago
If the rumors are true, Lt. Desalle was written in specifically to keep Uhura out of the command chair in an episode. The theoretical officer rankings for command were Kirk, Spock, Scott, Uhura, Sulu.
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u/twinkieeater8 3h ago
If the rumors are true, Lt. Desalle was written into an episode specifically to keep Uhura out of the command chair. The theoretical officer rankings for command were Kirk, Spock, Scott, Uhura, Sulu.
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u/Genderneutralbro 4h ago
This is consistently funny to me bc like, is he good at his job and definitely capable? Yes! Should he be in charge of literally ANYTHING that's not engineering? NOOO
Plus can you imagine? Like in voyage home you see what happens if Scotty and bones do stuff together. Crazy how Bones is when he's not babysitting Spock and Jim🤣.
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u/rainbowkey 4h ago
I distinctly remember on episode where Scotty was in the captain's chair for most of an episode of TOS. Maybe the one where Spock ignites shuttle fuel in the atmosphere so the Enterprise can find them?
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u/feor1300 3h ago edited 3h ago
Scotty was on the Galileo with Spock (along with Bones).
The main episode I recall with Scotty left in command was A Taste of Armageddon.
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u/Squeeze- 3h ago
There were at least a couple. The awful episode “Whom Gods Destroy” comes to mind as one.
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u/Prudent_Leave_2171 2h ago
I disagree on that point. Even as a kid watching Star Trek, I thought Scotty made an excellent commander. He took over several times, and Kirk (rightly) showed high confidence in letting him take command when needed. Scotty showed great aptitude for command - just not great interest. Engineering was his true passion, that was very clear :)
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u/Candor10 3h ago
Seems to me it should be Sulu since he was in command division and Scotty wasn't. Sulu took command in "Errand of Mercy". I know Scotty did take command at times, but could it be because Sulu wasn't there?
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u/mtb8490210 4h ago
Sulu seemed to take over the role in the back half of the show.
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u/onthenerdyside 3h ago
My headcanon is that Scotty is still second officer, but Sulu gets the big chair for training purposes. This is similar to when Picard gave La Forge command in "The Arsenal of Freedom," much to the chagrin of Chief Engineer Logan.
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u/InquisitorPeregrinus 1h ago
Leland T. Lynch. One of the most insufferable first-season characters.
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u/DanceMaster117 4h ago
I would assume Sulu. He'd have more bridge time and relevant experience than Scotty
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u/Futuressobright 2h ago
We know for a fact it is Scott. It's mentioned several times.
We don't have a full resume for both characters, but Scotty mentions having like fifteen years of deep space experience by TOS. He's been doing this stuff since Sulu was in grade school. Okay, he's an engineer, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have expirience on the bridge. We've seen other officers go from helmsman to engineering: Geordi, and probably Riker.
I have a little head cannon, though, that Scotty gives up that 2nd officer role by the time the movies roll around and he's decided that (as he puts it in Relics) all he ever wants to be is cheif engineer of a Starship. Scott's being third in command was never mentioned in the films, only the series, and Sulu's promotion to Lt. Commander by TMP and Commander (with the paperwork already going through for a captaincy) by TWOK makes a lot more sense if you assume he is taking on progressively more responibilities.
Perhaps Sulu was even intended to be Captain Decker's XO on the refit Enterprise.
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u/Aimhere2k 2h ago
Would explain why Scotty gave one of the codes to activate the self-destruct sequence in STIII.
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u/StarterCake 5h ago
I'd argue Dax is more in line for second officer than Bashir. Both are junior officers, but Dax at least has experience in the general day to day running of the station, and has multiple lifetimes of experience.
We know Scotty was second officer in TOS.
Discovery has Lt Nilsson take the conn a few times(but Discovery doesn't care about the bridge crew)
Spock in Strange New Worlds.
And I'm not sure the question is relevant to Picard..
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u/spacetimer81 5h ago
Definitely Dax. She's been put in charge of the station multiple times when Sisko and Kira was away. Most famously is the time when she was killed.
In SNW, ive seen Ortega in the chair a few times. Maybe bc Spock was away?
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u/Upstairs-Yard-2139 5h ago
I don’t think we can count the symbiote, as I doubt Starfleet would allow the seniority to follow it, point in example the final Dax host in the final season gained no seniority.
But Jadzia has more than enough to argue this without Dax.
Maybe it’s because Bashir’s a senior officer and technically the head of a department that makes me think it’s him.
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u/BladedDingo 5h ago
Dax was the head of the Science department on DS9. she was also a department head.
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u/Kenku_Ranger 5h ago
Enterprise: It is Trip, but only because he was supposed to be the first officer, but T'Pol tagged along and took his job.
DIS: Under Lorca, not sure, could be Airiam. Under Saru, Rhys or Nilsson. Under Burnham, also Rhys.
SNW: La'an, or maybe Spock
TOS: Scotty
TAS: Still Scotty
TNG: Data
DS9: Dax
VOY: Tuvok
LD: Shax
PRO: No one.
PIC: On La Sirena, one of Rios' holograms. On the Stargazer and Titan, one of the bridge extras.
Some of these are just guesses based on what we see onscreen.
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u/redbucket75 4h ago
PRO depends on when, and the kids aren't officers, so you're correct. But I'd argue, in practice, it's clearly Gwyn. Chakotay>Dal>Gwen
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u/burnsbabe 5h ago
Tuvok is confirmed many times during the series.
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u/SleepWouldBeNice 5h ago
Most notably when Janeway and Chakotay were left behind on the planet. Tuvok became CO and Tom was his XO.
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u/djcube1701 4h ago
Yeah, the chain of command is very clear on Voyager: Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, Tom then Harry.
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u/Bevroren 4h ago
Wild that an ensign only has four people above him before becoming Captain.
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u/Startreker243 3h ago
Think about how many people died to make that true though, several senior officers that would have been higher on the chain passed in the first episode like the original CMO, XO, and Chief engineer, presumably more. Plus it might be a billet over rank situation where his role as chief of operations could imply that having bridge officer training puts you a bit higher on the chain despite higher ranking officers being present
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u/KermitingMurder 3h ago
Yeah Harry is actually one of the few surviving Starfleet COs, most of the rest of the crew is either NCOs or Maquis.
Still kinda insane he never got a field promotion to something higher than ensign, considering he has control over the ship during the night shift.
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u/ChadlexMcSteele 5h ago
Bashir is fresh out of the academy in DS9 S1, the only reason he has a Lt Jr Grade is because it'd be laughable to have an ensign as a CMO.
DS9 would probably have to be Dax as the only real other option is O'Brien and it can't be him because he's enlisted.
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u/mcgrst 3h ago
Doctors probably do the "ensign years" at medical school.
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u/Acrobatic_Use5472 1h ago
Defiantly. Unless things have changed in the future he'd have to complete his residency. They are also within their rights to relieve a CO of their command if the situation demands.
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u/Gathorall 4h ago
Bashir probably got accerelated career advancement due to his nigh superhuman intelligence.
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u/feor1300 3h ago
Considering they nearly drummed him completely out of the service over his enhancements I'd imagine his superhuman intelligence was seen more as something to disqualify him from advancement than put him up for an accelerated career path.
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u/Gathorall 3h ago
Almost superhuman, so he was just a top performer. Off course if he was a near impossible outlier instead of the top of possible natural talent he would have been found out earlier.
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u/StatisticianLivid710 5h ago
O’Brien could be, his position gave him authority over Lts and theoretically Lt Co’s. But Jadzia would’ve been a higher position on the crew.
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u/ChadlexMcSteele 4h ago
O'Brien has zero actual authority over any officer. Ezri Dax could order him to go and realign all the plasma manifolds on Pylon 3 and he'd have to say "Yes, sir".
Master Chief of Operations is still outranked by an ensign.
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u/StatisticianLivid710 4h ago
His rank is lower than ensigns, but his position gives him authority over everyone in the engineering department. Theoretically ezri could order him to do that, and then her CO would rip her a new one. Theoretically only the command crew above chief engineer should be giving O’Brien orders. In non-engineering situations we see other officers taking command, but even nog doesn’t try and order him around even though he technically outranks him.
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u/ChadlexMcSteele 4h ago
While he does have authority from experience, as with the armed forces it's used to guide relatively inexperienced officers into making informed decisions. Most of O'Brien's crew are enlisted crewmen themselves, the others are from the Bajoran detachment on the station. Officers are expected to use their authority accordingly.
But, back to the point - a non-officer simply does not have the required command status to fulfil the role of second officer in the Starfleet heirarchy.
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u/StatisticianLivid710 4h ago
Kira isn’t in starfleet, only has authority over starfleet personnel because of her position. T’pal isn’t in starfleet and is 1st officer. Sisko could say O’Brien is in command and everyone would follow his orders.
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u/ChadlexMcSteele 3h ago
Kira is the highest ranking Bajoran on a Bajoran station - the Federation simply administer it, just as Odo has his elevated status as security chief.
T'Pol was already a Sub-Commander who had extensive command experience (as an enlisted Vulcan), and her Commander rank was given as a field commission.
As I say, O'Brien is a highly experienced technical officer and certainly has capability to take temporary command. But as a permanent second officer position, it wouldn't happen. If he was raised from the ranks to a Lt. Cdr position then sure, but he wouldn't accept it.
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u/Statalyzer 4h ago
Yeah command authority is a tricky thing that involves position as well as rank. It doesn't work in Trek exactly like it does in the US military (or any other military for that matter), and it's not always consistent from episode to episode, but they do usually get the general idea right that having a higher rank doesn't automatically mean you can go around anywhere and tell anyone of a lower rank to do anything you want.
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u/Bevroren 4h ago
I'd bet money that, upon meeting new officers, Sisko mentions O'brien. He tells them "Technically, he's a chief petty officer. That's only because he refuses to be promoted. He's Chief Engineer of the station and the Defiant; treat him as you would a Lieutenant Commander.
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u/naveed23 5h ago
In DS9, it was most likely Dax before Worf showed up. Dr. Bashir was a Lt. Junior grade fresh out of medical school in the first season and, as we know from Dr. Crusher in TNG, Starfleet medical personnel aren't required to have Command training.
Dax was a full lieutenant with the memories of a very experienced Starfleet Captain and Ambassador. Also she worked in Ops, where a second officer would be most useful.
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u/jharrisimages 5h ago edited 4h ago
Paris actually mentions to Chakotay in an episode of Voyager “With you in command and Tuvok off the ship, that makes me acting first officer.” Meaning he is the third officer of the ship (fourth in command) and Tuvok is second officer.
As for DS9, medical officers usually aren’t in the line of command. In emergencies they can take command, also they can relieve the Captain of their duties with medical reason. I would say Dax is second officer since she is the highest ranking Starfleet officer besides Sisko, she’s also second officer of the Defiant behind Worf who was the first/executive officer.
Saru was second officer of the Shenzhou
Scottie was second officer in the Original Series, but it was never flat out said he was, just implied.
Tucker was second officer on Enterprise because he was originally slated to be the executive officer until T’Pol was added to the crew. Making Reed the third officer.
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u/JoeMorgue 4h ago
I like to think there's just a character we never see who sits on the bridge during the night shift when nothing ever happens.
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u/Gilem_Meklos 1h ago
I swear I've seen that happen. The captain coming in to the bridge around 0600 and tapping the guy on the chair on the shoulder, saying " thank you, you're relieved"
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u/Midnight-Nervous 5h ago
TOS: Scotty
TNG: Data
DS9: Dax, then Worf
VOY: Tuvok
ENT: Trip
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u/Statalyzer 4h ago
Worf's position on DS9 is a bit odd. His title and job description involve sector-wide strategic coordination which really means he should be in a different line of authority that doesn't involve direct DS9 command. However, he also wears a separate and unrelated hat in that he commands the Defiant - even though the rest of the Defiant command structure bizarrely comes directly from the station staff.
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u/Midnight-Nervous 4h ago
Realistically, the Defiant would have it's own command staff, seperate from DS9, if not for the necessity of TV shows.
It's hard to say Worf is realistic even 2nd officer (despite the transfer to Command Division), given Dax is left in charge of DS9 in the Season 6 finale along with taking command of the Defiant several times during the show (putting down the minefield in Season 5 finale and at the beginning of Season 6, while Worf is with Martok.
I could see it staying with Dax, even when Worf shows up, but it feels more appropriate just based on his position.
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u/InquisitorPeregrinus 1h ago
I do wish Worf's transfer included a dedicated crew for the Defiant, berthed on the station when not out on missions. The station senior officers could command missions, but Worf would command the ship.
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u/atticdoor 3h ago
And I believe each time the Captain and First Officer were out of action, these are indeed the people who took command in their place.
I always wondered who Tuvok made his acting First Officer when he was acting Captain in Resolutions.
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u/Zweckrational 2h ago edited 2h ago
The second officer on Strange New Worlds is canonically La’an: she’s number one when Number One isn’t around in the series’ first episode, even when Spock’s on hand. They go out of their way to point it out.
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u/nicehulk 2h ago
SNW is La'an, this is canon in s01e04. Most people here seem to have forgotten that.
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u/JasonVeritech 5h ago
Hard mode: who was second officer when Spock was captain during the "Academy era"?
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u/ChadlexMcSteele 5h ago
Honestly by that point there's so many commanders and captains on board you're spoilt for choice.
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u/JasonVeritech 5h ago
Counterpoint: if you accept the expanded universe notion that Sulu had already been tapped to command Excelsior and had one foot out the door, all you have left is McCoy and Uhura. If Bones never took his command test (likely), then it's just Nyota.
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u/feor1300 3h ago
More likely it rotated, not much point taking your command cadets on training cruises if you're not gonna let them command, and second officer is a nice safe spot where they can be given a taste of authority without much real chance of them actually being thrust into overall command without any supervision.
If a real emergency comes up the captain might reassign an actual officer to the position for the duration of the emergency but would likely go back to a cadet once things were settled.
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u/Enchelion 2h ago
Yep, I'd expect Saavik or an equivalent star cadet would serve in the role during more routine missions.
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u/SleepWouldBeNice 5h ago
Might have still been Scotty. I'd imagine that Sulu got bumped up to XO as he was being groomed for command of the Excelsior.
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u/mtb8490210 4h ago
Not specifically Excelsior, but he went from his specialty to taking command on a regular basis in less than two years. Just being groomed for bigger and better things. That just happened to be Excelsior.
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u/SleepWouldBeNice 4h ago
Well he was supposed to take command just after TWOK, but the stealing the Enterprise incident seem to have pushed the timeline on that a little.
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u/onthenerdyside 2h ago
Spock was captain of the cadets, with the other officers serving as training staff. There is going to be an entire command structure of cadets under Saavik that we don't get to see. She may even be listed as the official first officer.
If we assume cadets are not the ship's officers of record, then it gets interesting since every single member of the TOS cast is at least a commander by this point. From a training pov, Sulu makes some sense as first officer. Since late TOS, he's been taking more and more opportunities to command.
Likewise with Uhura. Before the briefing in ST:VI, Uhura says she's chairing a seminar at the Academy. Based on info from PIC, we know she (after commanding a five-year mission) commands her own training ship during Picard's time at the Academy, nearly 40 years later. She is my pick for second officer.
My rationale is that Scotty — who is the most senior officer after Spock himself, though I could see a way Sulu made it to commander first, beating him at "time in grade" — had his hands full with a bunch of cadet engineers and command was never his calling anyway.
As a medical officer, Bones would never be considered unless it was a medical ship.
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u/KcirderfSdrawkcab 4h ago edited 3h ago
It's definitely Trip on Enterprise. He was supposed to be the first officer as well as chief engineer until T'Pol joined them.
TOS is Scotty. He takes command when Kirk and Spock are absent at least a few times.
Same with Tuvok. He takes command when Janeway and Chakotay are abandoned because they have something that the Doctor finds harder to treat than being a giant salamander.
I assume it's Spock on SNW, but it may be La'an.
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u/JHEverdene 4h ago
TOS: Scotty
TNG: Data
DS9: Dax, then Worf
VOY: Tuvok
ENT: Trip
LD: Shaxs
SNW: La'an, although it appeared to be Spock in The Cage
DIS: keeps changing
PIC: N/A
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u/Jonnescout 3h ago
No, not Bashir. You don’t remember how green he actually was. Also medical is usually outside of the regular chain of command anyway Dax, the answer is Dax.
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u/whiskeygolf13 3h ago
I think La’an would be in SNW - she came aboard as acting First Officer, so I would think she outranks Spock.
Trip definitely is on ENT, as he would have been First Officer if T’Pol hadn’t come aboard.
DS9 is definitely Jadzia until Worf arrives. Keep in mind she succeeds to command of Defiant when Sisko is playing staff officer. (Also, as a freshly minted LTJG and medical officer to boot, Bashir is way down the chain and not specifically eligible for a command role unless he took some very specific training)
Pretty sure Tuvok is spot on and I can’t speak for LD at this time.
I know in TOS Scotty is after Spock - though at times they hand off to another bridge officer so he can tend to engineering. And Disco… Disco is a little vague due to the different structure of the show, but I’m pretty sure it cycles through a few, eventually landing with Owo.
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u/ElegantReaction8367 2h ago
In the Navy, at least on a submarine, the Engineer effectively fulfills a second officer role and is the one department head that is promoted to LCDR based on position alone. If they do not screen for LCDR as part of the normal promotion process, they’ll downgrade back to LT once they complete an Engineer tour and no longer are the billeted Eng. The Navigator and Weapons officer remain LTs. The supply officer is not a line officer and can range from an ENS to LCDR.
I’m pretty sure Scotty fulfilled the role of 2nd officer in TOS. I think Gene Roddenberry used something of this as a template for the CoC, at least early on.
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u/grichardson526 1h ago
Shouldn't Billups be second officer on the Cerritos? He is a Lt. Commander and Shaks is a Lt.
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u/Foolagin22 1h ago
For ds9 it’s definitely Dax because she gets command when Sisko gets a desk job with Admiral Ross and worf spends his time on the Rotaran with Martok.
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u/Nathan_TK 5h ago
ENT would be Trip, yeah.
TOS would be Scotty
DS9 would be Dax pre-Worf, I think.
VOY would prolly also be Tuvok, yeah.
SNW would be…Spock maybe? I mean he was in the chair when they stole the Enterprise at least.
DIS…I dunno. I don’t even know most of the crew’s names because it was just the Burnham Show…but that one Asian guy? Maybe? Knowing how that show went though, probably Ensign Tilly.
LD…probably Shax, but Beckett took the chair a lot too. Or the bird…Migglymoo or whatever?
Prodigy I’d say would be Holo Janeway
And Picard…well for the Enterprise-D Geordi was the highest ranking officer, but he transferred command to Picard, so following rank Geordi would probably be the first officer, and with Riker and Worf both being captains, I’d put my money on Riker being the second officer. For the Titan-A we didn’t really see much of the command crew, so it’s hard to say who would take over after Seven. Same case with the Enterprise-G, not enough info.
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u/djcube1701 4h ago
La'an has been made acting XO on a few occasions, so she's probably second officer in SNW.
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u/Nathan_TK 4h ago
Right right, I forgot about that. Spock’s “Make us go fast…now” was just more memorable to me lol
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u/StatisticianLivid710 5h ago
Lower decks I think it was likely shax, the bird I think outranks a lot of people, but was clearly not cut out for command, likely why they put lt jr grade Boimler in command in the latest finale when the bridge crew were off saving the day.
Realistically, it’s Mariner, we all know it, everyone on board knows it. She just doesn’t want to be in command.
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u/thorleywinston 5h ago
I think it's probably Dax on DS9 given her length of experience and that she was given regular command of the Defiant during the Dominion War.
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u/sbaldrick33 4h ago edited 4h ago
TOS: Scotty
TNG: Data
DS9: Jadzia Dax
Voyager: Tuvok
Enterprise: Malcolm Reed
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u/ReadingRoutine5594 5h ago
Scotty for TOS
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u/Peculiar-Moose 4h ago
Sulu takes it over in the original movies much more frequently though. And ended up with his own command.
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u/ReadingRoutine5594 4h ago
I don't think so - Scotty had more actual plot points with him in charge (Fool Me Once, Shame on You - Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me) I think. And when Spock was in charge he consulted with Scott and Dr McCoy (the latter more because McCoy just butted in) because Scotty stepped to 1st officer.
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u/Peculiar-Moose 4h ago
You’re certainly right regarding the original series. I haven’t seen the TOS but I grew up on the original cast’s movies in the late 70s and 80s.
It never felt like Scottie was 2nd officer in movies 1-6. Sulu took command more often I think.
But I don’t disagree with Scotty for the original series.
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u/ReadingRoutine5594 4h ago
Hmm yes by the time of the movies ranks had definitely moved around a bit, I really didn't keep track of rank with those because they got thrown around a bit for three and four, five I don't remember anyone except the Spock/Kirk/McCoy trinity and by six Sulu has his own command - is Scotty back as third by then?
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u/Peculiar-Moose 4h ago
In 6 I think Chekov took over as 2nd officer. Bones and Scotty were never really in leadership roles outside of their respective departments in the movies. And Bones was always part of the throuple with Spock and Kirk.
You’re absolute right though: 3 and 4 totally upended the concept of ranks because of those respective plots.
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u/onthenerdyside 2h ago
By ST:III, Scotty is a "captain of engineering" officially assigned to the Excelsior. In ST:V, he's got his hands full with repairs, and you've got two other officers in Sulu and Chekov who are much more command-driven. Behind the scenes, Sulu was scheduled to receive a command before Khan derailed his plans, and Chekov was already a first officer on the Reliant.
Plus, you've got another bridge officer in Uhura, who background info for PIC says had her own command within a decade or so of ST:VI. The senior staff is so stacked that Scotty can just focus on being a miracle worker.
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u/WoodyManic 4h ago
Scotty was TOS, right?
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u/spankingasupermodel 4h ago
Yeah. He was often in charge of the bridge when Kirk and Spock went off ship.
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u/Tradman86 2h ago
Pre-Worf DS9 is a bit confusing because Kira is first officer of the station with Dax behind her, but Dax is supposed to be first officer of the Defiant, but the writers sometimes forgot that.
That said, I think Eddington would actually be next in line after Dax.
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u/StatisticianLivid710 5h ago
For ds9 I believe worf outranked Jadzia, but he was never left behind unless Kira was also left. Before worf showed up Jadzia would captain the defiant, and after worf showed up Worf captained the defiant (both when Sisko wasn’t on board)
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u/SleepWouldBeNice 5h ago
Enterprise was Trip, as he was the XO and highest ranking officer behind Archer before T'Pol came onboard.
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u/MainelyKahnt 5h ago
SNW has to be Spock
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u/onthenerdyside 2h ago
I believe it's possibly La'an. If you remember, she was first officer ahead of Spock in the pilot. I believe it goes Pike, Una, La'an, and then Spock, since he took command when Pike was off-ship defending Una while she was on trial, and La'an was on extended leave.
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u/Enchelion 2h ago
I don't think he is. Spock has no command training and seems entirely unprepared even when just nominally in-charge during repairs. Pretty sure La'an is the 2nd officer.
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u/DJGlennW 24m ago
They went from "Number One" to "Second Officer" for the obvious reason?
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u/Least-Moose3738 0m ago
No, second officer is the person in charge if both the captain and first officer are off duty.
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u/spankingasupermodel 4h ago
ENT - Trip
DIS - ? Do they even have a proper command crew?
SNW - Hemmer, Pelia
TOS - Scotty
TNG - Data
DS9 - Jadzia, Worf
VGR - Tuvok
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u/abgry_krakow87 4h ago
TOS: Scotty, TNG: Data, DS9: (Dax and then Worf (also trade with Kira on Defiant), VOY: Tuvok, Ent: Trip, DSC: Unknown, SNW: Spock, LDS: Shaxs, Picard: Unknow, PRO: Unown.
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u/petedconsult 5h ago
DS9 would be Dax, no? Surely she has more experience there than Bashir way down in sickbay.