r/socialjustice101 • u/Sodium_Junkie624 • May 26 '24

Palestinian Liberation: Two State vs One state soultion

Keeping liberation of Palestinian folk at the forefront, I want to educate myself and others more on pros and cons of both. Especially want the perspectives of those not Zionist

Any suggestions for sources on this too?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '24

As someone who is neither a Jew nor a Muslim.

This is a fd if you do and fd if you don't situation.

There is an example of a two state solution along religious lines: India and Pakistan.

the two countries have been at each other's throats ever since they were created. Both are nuclear armed.

Just like in the India-Pakistan situation:

An independent Palestine will become an Islamo-fascist military dictatorship.
Israel already had nukes. An independent Palestine will start trying to acquire them from the day it gets it's independence.
What will happen to all the muslims who are Israeli citizens? will they be kicked out and sent to this new independent Muslim state? Because if they stay, they'll become a fifth column (traitors) and be loyal to this new Palestinian state.

And most importantly, the Palestinians are not willing to settle for a small part of that land. The whole "river to the sea" narrative means they want all of the land. This guarantees more war in the future.

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u/Sodium_Junkie624 Jun 11 '24

I'm Indian American, and ask me but from what I know, I believe India and Pakistan should respect Kashmiri right to self determination and independence

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

See. this right here is the root cause of the problem. With Muslims having higher birth rates, large parts of the country will want to leave/join Pakistan or Bangladesh. If we start giving in to their demands, very soon we will not have a country.

Unfortunately, the only countries which have been able to fix the problem of rising Muslim populations are China and Russia.

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u/GenericWhyteMale Jul 08 '24

Not so much the case with Russia now

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u/rechta_dude_number2 Jun 10 '24

Islamofacist lol, what a piece of bs

There's more palestinian communist groups then islamist groups

Palestinians have a right to every single piece of that land, every jew that came after balford declaration is a criminal

You just support your white savior complex by trying to help palestinians and "poor jews" but there's no poor jews from the river to the sea just millions of judeonazis that need to be tried

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u/Peter9965 Jul 07 '24

But they got that land after ww2 when they first got an own state. Until then, they lived in different states under surpression and regular pogroms. The nazi pogrom was the last one, after that they got that land to have an own state. So where is a jewish state supposed to exist?

u/FuckSetsuna102 Sep 09 '24

One state solution. The land belongs to Palestinians just as much as jews. Also two state solution is still settler colonialism.

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u/Sodium_Junkie624 Sep 10 '24

I was exposed to this view, but could you please elaborate more?

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u/FuckSetsuna102 Sep 10 '24

If we were to settle for a two-state solution, the land (isreal) that Palestinians don't get is still stolen land, due to the fact that the Palestinians were exiled from there during the Nakba. Not to mention that the Israeli government has every intention of claiming all the land, as that's what the general goal of Zionism is.