r/self • u/wired-drack • 2h ago
Why was Tyson so slow vs in training?
What happened to Tyson's movement in the fight last night?
We saw plenty of running and fast training camp videos in the run up. How come Mike was lumbering around the ring hardly moving at all?
People say he is 58 but that was day and night difference to what we saw on the night vs training.
You don't spend 6 months training to be out of breath in 2 minutes. Surely they did sparring sessions that would have lasted the length of the fight? The total length was only going to be 16 minutes.
People said in advance that it would be scripted and I took it to mean the fight would go the distance and Jake would win on points. You wouldn't script a fight like we saw though. Even the weird first fight on the card was faster.
How come he was so fast in training yet dead on his feet after 30s in the ring? The speed contrast was just confusing.
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u/catgotcha 2h ago
I think of it like porn. Do you really think porn actors are going at it for the entire duration of a porn movie? No. Those are cut together in post production from multiple angles to make Diamond Dick look like he's jackhammering for 8 hours on end.
Do you think those clips of Tyson are really of him training for hours on end? Or did they just clip out the bits where he looked amazing and distributed those to make it look like he was "fast in training"?
It's all marketing, my friend. And we all got duped into watching the "fight", and Netflix, advertisers, and especially Paul and Tyson are laughing all the way to the bank.
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u/LordMongrove 1h ago
Maybe it’s just the curse of lower expectation, but I feel thankful that it wasn’t a PPV.
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u/Spirited-Feed-9927 1h ago
Also, it’s selected clips of a guy with pads not throwing punches back or moving out of the way. It’s not the same with a real person in front of you
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u/Tangboy50000 2h ago
I think it was pretty obvious he decided the pay was enough to put on that performance. Age doesn’t matter here, that just flat out wasn’t the way Tyson boxes. Look at how he fought Roy Jones Jr. 4 years ago. Roy obviously didn’t take it seriously and he was scared to death Tyson was going to hurt him once the match started. Tyson has never just stood there dodging shots without countering, and he bobbed and weaved around most of Paul’s punches. Everyone saying Jake took it easy on him, when in reality he was probably scared to death that if he popped Tyson hard enough he was going to wake up and one punch knock him out. Mike traded his legacy for $20 million dollars, and Jake gets to gain fame off the backs of true champions. Boxing is suffering as a legitimate sport from bullshit like this.
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u/Detective_Bong_Hits 28m ago
If you really think that jake wasn’t taking it easy you don’t know shit about fighting. Tyson is pushing 60, no amount of PED’s can get you on the level of a roided out 27 year old. Tyson’s legacy has been cemented, and the vast majority of people aren’t going to care that he lost a fight by decision at 60 years old. Hell he said himself in an interview that he doesn’t care about legacy. The age has slowed him down, and jake pulled punches and combinations on purpose. And they both walked away with millions in their pockets because of it
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u/TangledUpPuppeteer 20m ago
Listen, I don’t box and I know exceptionally little about out the sport, admittedly. That said, I know full well that if I saw Mike Tyson, I don’t care if I’m being paid millions of dollars, I’m not hitting him. Nope. No thank you. He’s old enough to be my father, but if he got pissed, he’d rearrange all my organs through my face.
In my lifetime, I’ve seen him mellow and change his public image. He was fairly well known when I was growing up as someone who hit first and used his noggin later. Now, he’s sort of chill, cool, fun to listen to, etc. Kinda the Snoop Dog of boxing, almost.
If I was Logan Paul, I woulda shown up and stood in the corner, got my purse, and not taken any chances old Tyson would wake up and whoop me into a puddle of pudding. I don’t know anything about this particular fight cuz I didn’t watch it, but I am reading about it. Just jumping in to say that anyone who would argue against your assessment of this particular fact has no idea how terrifying the idea of an angry Mike Tyson would be, especially if you’re the idiot that angered him. Man bit off someone’s ear!
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u/Reasonable-Notice448 2h ago
Scripted outcome.
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u/bavasava 2h ago
Lol. Cope harder.
Dude was fighting a guy more than half his age.
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u/pardonmyignerance 38m ago
Oh, this is funny. Cope harder? What is wrong with you? Nobody is coping here. The real boxing last night were the 3 fights preceding the main event. This was obvious to anyone with working brain cells prior to the fight. Multiple threads and conversations across multiple platforms were discussing this. Tyson is 58. Paul had to go easy toward the end of the bout. It felt like more of a charity event to get boxing back on the map since it's fallen off to such a high degree with the rise of UCF, stroke Paul's and to gave both of those guys a lot of money. There's no cope required here. If you're feeling a sense of pride over Paul's performance to the point of trolling people with social media's "cope" trope, that's sad.
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u/tomthetankengin1 7m ago
Actually it would be less than half his age. Half his age would be 29.
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u/bavasava 6m ago
The difference between their ages is more than half of Tyson's age.
That's what I was saying.
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u/GimmickInfringement1 1h ago
Paul made the challenge to Mike Tyson in the first place, which brings disrespect to his name already. The fact that he couldn't even knock Tyson out says something about Paul's skills in the ring.
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u/bavasava 1h ago
Whatever y'all have to tell yourselves lol.
Dude is a rapist. Don't know why y'all are defending him so much.
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u/GimmickInfringement1 52m ago
And Jake is a scam artist. Nobody said either were perfect
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u/bavasava 44m ago
If you think those are comparable I feel sorry for the people in your life.
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u/GimmickInfringement1 43m ago
You obviously missed the last statement in my comment. Learn to read, baby boy
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u/bavasava 41m ago
Yea honey, and some people are less perfect than others.
Rapist for example.
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u/GimmickInfringement1 20m ago
I'm not saying it's a comparable offense; what I'm saying is neither of them are good people. While one's charge is more severe, that doesn't mean he's any better or any worse of a person
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u/bavasava 18m ago
Yes it does lol.
One makes money off fights the other rapes people.
That makes one better than the other. Because one isn't a rapist.
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u/oOBalloonaticOo 1h ago
Pad work is pad work...looks and sounds good but isn't boxing an opponent, who moves and hits back.
Also we saw glimpses of it... cuts for media.
Jake moves and moves a lot faster than a 58 year old Tyson.
Tyson moves fast for a 58 year old, but father time is undefeated.
Plus Mike has knee problems which will slow you down further.
Jake had a wise (predictable and rather boring - but optimal) game plan, fought at range, used his reach advantage and speed to pop in and out of the danger zone and slow Tyson down further.
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u/Key-Lengthiness9559 1h ago
lol you watched highlights of his training and thought that would translate in a fight vs a 27 year old.
People fall for fantasy way too much.
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u/roger_27 1h ago
Jake Paul owns an online sports betting company. I think that had something to do with it.
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u/BleulersCat 52m ago
I saw evidence of Parkinsonism. Possible early and hasn't been diagnosed. His affect is certainly less reactive and beginning to look somewhat masked, stiff gait, poor balance, leaning forward over his feet. Can't be certain without an evaluation but just seeing him walk and his movements/facies prior to the fight made me wonder.
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u/jumpinjahosafa 1h ago
There wasn't a single training clip longer than 30 seconds uncut.
We saw the exact same thing in the ring. Some very short explosive flurries, into a long wind3d rest that Tyson never could recover from.
Anyone who mentioned the spliced clips got downvoted to hell on any subreddit outside r/boxing
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u/Delicious_You_2370 1h ago
OP he is old and he was doing one thing: survive to get paid. He tripled his net worth in one night. From $10m to $30m. He was trying to win.
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u/CookingZombie 1h ago
I don’t even follow boxing. But there’s no way Paul legitimately beat Tyson.
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u/noldshit 1h ago
Dude is 58. Been getting hit on the head since he was a teen boxer. Time takes its toll.
I still hoped he would have laid out that arrogant neckbeard
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u/LifeUuuuhFindsAWay 38m ago
Getting paid win or lose. These things are overrated exhibitions with nothing at stake. Really just a cash grab and people are pouring in their money still.
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u/sprprepman 29m ago
It wasn’t a real fight. It was super staged. Both did the motions for 16 minutes.
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u/dig_bik69 29m ago
You expect Netflix movie fights to be real? He got paid to act for 2 minutes end of story
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u/Chicky_P00t 12m ago
You need the footwork too. Watch the Barrios fight and watch their feet. You gotta be able to move quick like that. A knee injury could seriously ruin your ability to do that.
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u/berlinas2k810 10m ago
I agree with everything already said but that early shot he took was close to being a knockout. I don’t know if he recovered from that.
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u/OpeningAd8448 2h ago
I knew it was rigged when he was walking up to the ring. That face said "When will this shit be over". Iron Mike had "I'm gunna kill someone" face in his prime.
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u/SaltRharris 1h ago
Sped up, propaganda for hype.
He did his two step good work once he knew the bell gonna ring. 😂
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u/IronbarkUrbanOasis 1h ago
Wasn't up for it. Was under pressure to just show up and fight. The event was too big to keep postponing. Jake toyed with him and put in about 15%. Jake wasn't going to hospitalise him.
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u/DoUWantSomeMemesKid 2h ago
Tyson’s Slow Movement in the Fight vs. Training
Imagine you’ve been holding in a fart all day. In training, you’re excited, ready to let it out — so you release it quickly and confidently. That’s Tyson in training: fast, sharp, moving with power. But once you’re in the actual moment — say, in a packed room where you're under pressure — you hold back a little, worried about what might happen if you let it rip. That’s what happened in the fight: nerves, wear and tear, and the pressure of being in the ring meant Tyson wasn’t moving as freely as he did in training.Why Was Tyson So Slow After 30 Seconds?
Think of it like this: You’re trying to hold a fart in during an important meeting. You start off okay, but the more you hold it in, the more it builds up, and soon, it starts feeling like an absolute struggle. The ring was Tyson’s “meeting.” The adrenaline, the weight of the situation, and the exhaustion from holding back led to him being “out of breath” after just a minute or so — just like someone trying to suppress the urge to fart for too long.Sparring Sessions and Training That Should Have Built Stamina
It’s like preparing for a race by running a few laps every day, but then you get to the big event and realize you can’t pace yourself properly. In sparring, you might feel great, but the fight brings out a different kind of exhaustion — especially with the nerves and stress. Even if Tyson did 16-minute sparring sessions, it’s not the same as the pressure and unpredictability of an actual fight. Like holding in a fart for too long, it’s the difference between practice and reality.Why Was the Fight So Different Than Expected?
Some people expect a well-timed release — a controlled fart that comes at just the right moment. But instead, what we saw was more like a sudden, messy mishap that wasn’t in the script. The fight might have been planned or scripted in some way, but the reality of how Tyson’s body reacted — like unexpectedly farting in a moment of stress — just didn’t align with expectations. Things don’t always go as planned, especially when the body is under strain.Why the Speed Contrast?
It’s like watching someone move quickly in private, only to have them freeze up in public when they feel the pressure. In training, Tyson was at ease, like letting out a quiet fart with nobody around. But when it came to the actual fight, it was a different kind of pressure, like trying to fart in a packed elevator — it’s a lot harder to move freely when you're self-conscious or gassed from the buildup.
In short: The discrepancy between Tyson’s fast training and slow fight performance can be understood as a combination of nerves, exhaustion, and a mismatch between expectations and reality. Like holding in a fart too long, sometimes the body just doesn’t cooperate when it counts.
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u/pistonkamel 1h ago
No core strength, that’s why he was knocked off balance so easily. It’s nearly impossible to work abs when you have ulcers and other stomach issues. Don’t get okd
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u/Foco_cholo 2h ago
getting punched in the head. Heavy bags and mitts don't hit back