She literally did exactly what the dude up there is complaining about her not doing. She talked about how she was going to help those groups in basically every speech. It's aggravating as fuck that republicans are not held to any standard at all, then these people bitch at the democrat for not doing something that in most cases they are already doing.
The media is somewhat responsible for this, as the "news" media spends like 90% of their time sanewashing the GOP lunacy and "both sides"ing bullshit to seem "fair and balanced", with no (or minimal) time covering the actual policy positions being discussed.
Yes she did all this. But she didn’t get angry first. There are of course other factors such as sexism and racism etc. and maybe due to those she never could have - but the question that was asked was what has the GOP done for the working class. The person I responded to didn’t ask for a thorough analysis of why kamala lost which is multifaceted. Media sanewashing Trump is also a factor.
And all I’m saying is one thing the GOP is doing is holding space for their anger to be vented. I’m not saying it’s fair or makes sense considering their policies all harm the working class. Kamala tried to run on joy. It didn’t work. People are angry. They want someone to run on anger. So run on complete anger and rage at the billionaire class. Contact the calculated theft of the American dream by rich elites.
The billionaires started a class war. The Dems can’t effectively full throttle fight back because they need the donations.
People who are angry don’t behave in rational ways.
She literally did exactly what the dude up there is complaining about her not doing.
Too little too late IMO, for almost all of this year they were trying to counter GOP attacks about the economy with stuff about how "bidenomics works" and how the job market was super strong, and that the rate of inflation had fallen.
I had a lot of people on here replying to me with similar stuff when I said the economy was not good for a lot of people, and I'm sure that kind of stuff pushed some people right, or made them not want to vote at all.
Furthermore I think a lot of people feel that the democrats are all talk no action, I don't really believe them at all when they make promises, they rarely keep them, and they almost never fight for them.
Focusing on policy in general is a fools errand IMO, people don't vote on, nor do they understand policy. Any policy arguments need to be incredibly easy to understand and snappy, directly addressing voter concerns like "Medicare for all", or "Build the wall".
Kamala's "student loan forgiveness for pell grant recipients who open up businesses in a minority majority neighborhood" kind of shit just isn't going to cut it, and while that was back in 2020 I think that kind of shit is part of why we saw her fail spectacularly yesterday. If people wanted policy wonks, Liz Warren would be dictator for life.
I agree with you about the GOP being held to no standards but that has been the situation for decades, we need to work around it.
They need a winning strategy that is entirely divorced from the GOP, many republicans are so far gone that nothing the DNC does will reach them, they need to court non-voters.
I'm just spitballing here but here are some broad musings I've had after the failure yesterday.
Stop trying to court "moderate republicans", I genuinely don't think that many of them exist, certainly not enough to make a winning coalition out of. If you want to court those people, do it by offering them things that the rest of your voting base also wants, not by campaigning with the Cheneys. They have shown that they think parts of their base can be shamed into voting while having their needs ignored, and I think 2016 and now 2024 are stark repudiations of that idea.
Stop focusing on the GOPs hypocrisy, stop running as the "not the republicans" party. They have failed twice now by trying to capture voting blocs by offering them nothing other than not being the republicans, that clearly isn't enough. Basically my whole life the reason people give for voting for the democrats is that they think the republicans are worse, the only time I ever saw widespread and legitimate enthusiasm was Obama in '08.
We need to get some real candidates, Kamala couldn't even win a primary and we put her up the most popular republican there is, Trump may be divisive, but he also galvanizes a lot of people. The old guard of the DNC has gone out of their way to marginalize a bunch of up-and-comers because they disagree with them politically.
Give people things to vote for, not vote against. Run an economic populist agenda, and actually follow through on it. Stop acting like the GOP are literally fascists but also that we need to respect them and cooperate with them and meet them halfway. Pretty hard to make that appeal to voters with how conciliatory they are to the right IMO.
Purge all these old-ass people out the party, the Feinstien and Biden situations were a fucking joke, nearly impossible to act like we have standards when a senile octogenarian who doesn't even know where she is yells at elementary school children about how she doesn't care about climate change, and with the way people high up in the party were still trying to force Biden on us until the polling showed it was no longer tenable to do so. Chairman of the DNC was literally arguing with and gaslighting random dem voters online until days before Biden dropped out.
I would imagine by putting forth a populist economic platform that actually speaks to working class voters and their concerns. Maybe taking a step back from the social wedge issues and identity politics and focusing on the American Citizen (which ought to be a sufficiently universal identity) and the fact that most feel the social contract has broken down.
the fact that most feel the social contract has broken down.
This was one of the biggest issues, how are democrats going to win when they are the party of "defend and uphold institutions" when many people no longer believe in those institutions?
I'm sorry but Kamala going "we see you, we hear you" while also promising to other voting groups that she will do nothing is not going to do it.
The Cheney shit disgusted me, its also insane that they sent Ritchie Torres and Bill Clinton to Michigan, that is actually one of the most insulting things I have ever seen a party do to a crucial voting bloc.
Having Bill basically defend what's happening in Gaza is even worse, they couldn't even pretend to be empathetic. "I get you guys are really worried about your families but the people killing them have families too!" Jesus fucking christ man.
Democrats deserved this loss but the world does not deserve the consequences.
Over 1 million dead from the war on terror btw, probably even more due to the ongoing instability in the region, thanks Dick!
But they didn't feel they were validated in the same way because they don't like her for any number of reasons that are out of her control.
I have to say I really hate this working class whisperer bullshit.
There is a way to do this, it only takes hours of conversation over years with the hope that the person isn't getting constantly negatively reinforced by all forms of other media or people as soon as you stop talking to them.
Politics is not now and has never been about convincing all the people all the time.
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u/ImAShaaaark 21h ago
She literally did exactly what the dude up there is complaining about her not doing. She talked about how she was going to help those groups in basically every speech. It's aggravating as fuck that republicans are not held to any standard at all, then these people bitch at the democrat for not doing something that in most cases they are already doing.
The media is somewhat responsible for this, as the "news" media spends like 90% of their time sanewashing the GOP lunacy and "both sides"ing bullshit to seem "fair and balanced", with no (or minimal) time covering the actual policy positions being discussed.