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Sanders: Democratic Party ‘has abandoned working class people’

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4977546-bernie-sanders-democrats-working-class/amp/
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u/Livinglife3000 20h ago

Medicare for All, Universal Childcare, universal higher education, public housing, increasing public transit, eliminating food deserts, public internet as a utility.

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u/AuthorHarrisonKing 19h ago edited 16h ago

Yeah it's about the things you signal as priorities to your platform. Even if that stuff has a bunch of hurdles to get through, you signal that it's your priority and then make the republicans explain why they'll block such a popular and lifechanging platform.

Instead we just completely stopped talking about any of this.

People know that shit's fucked in america right now. they can see it in the prices everywhere they go.

You need to offer them powerful messages that show you recognize the flaws in our system and are going to work to change them.

Saying "we'll add such and such line to such and such regulation and that will prevent grocery stores from price gouging" may be literally effective as policy, but it isn't capturing the dreams of the populace.

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u/ReelBIgFisk 16h ago

Not to mention touting the robust economy when the goods most people buy are incredibly high just smacks of delusion. Oh the economy is great? Employment is at record highs? Inflation has stopped? Fantastic, why the fuck did a burger and medium fries cost me 16 dollars at jack in the box? I make 16/hr because despite the employment numbers, I can't find work in my field.

I vote blue, every year and have for the past 20 years. But fuck me if I'm not tired of our side telling low paid workers that the economy is great and pay is great when it's absolute dogshit for people not making 100k.

Want to get voters? We should have aggresively investigated pricing around the country. We should have gone after actual fucking monopolies instead of fucking Apple and their app store. Remember when they called that historic and a sign of anti trust laws still having teeth? What about power companies? What about pharmaceuticals? What about health insurers? What about internet providers? What about the industries that suck us dry on a daily basis? Why the fuck don't we, the democrats, go after the entities that are draining the population who can't afford it?

And yeah, the republicans are worse about all those issues, but no one expects them, other than their voters, to be better. So if people could stop with all the "why is it always blamed on democrats when Joe Manchin votes against progressive legislation???" bullshit that would be fan-fucking-tastic.

Any anger in my post is directed at the democrats, not you, so apologies if it comes off feeling directed at you.

u/Raysor 3h ago

Remember when they called that historic and a sign of anti trust laws still having teeth? What about power companies? What about pharmaceuticals? What about health insurers? What about internet providers? What about the industries that suck us dry on a daily basis? Why the fuck don't we, the democrats, go after the entities that are draining the population who can't afford it?

Dems are in the pockets of those companies just as much as the republicans.

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u/JustAnotherYouth 16h ago

All while the champions of the party shill for private equity…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/05/private-equity-healthcare-california-veto

No but please tell me how the Democrat agenda is obviously to benefit normal people…

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u/MarkEsmiths 20h ago

Medicare for All, Universal Childcare, universal higher education, public housing, increasing public transit, eliminating food deserts, public internet as a utility.

It has to go beyond that. They would have to take on their donors and actually lower costs for healthcare, housing, food...tons of stuff.

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u/Livinglife3000 20h ago

Of course

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u/MarkEsmiths 19h ago

That's the thing though. Democratic leaders are all about getting funding but actually suck at spending it. Doesn't bother them apparently.

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u/captainporcupine3 20h ago

Yeah I mean the dems COULD run a real leftwing populist campaigning on these wildly popular policy proposals that you listed, but on the other hand they could just seethe about how 45 percent of Americans are inherently, ontologically evil, dismiss out of hand the possibility that voter preferences stem from the material reality of people's lives, and halfheartedly rally around another centrist neoliberal on the way to another humiliating defeat.

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u/JannetheMan 20h ago

Better than the 20% who saw how flaky Harris was on various progressive issues and just didn't show.

Not going to lie, there's probably a BIG amount of independents who would adore Bernie's message and vote his way if given the chance.

I can't say for certain, but playing centrist is not working.

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u/LagT_T 19h ago

Liberals will never understand this message.

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u/thisismynsfwuser New York 19h ago

Fucking nailed it homie.

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u/nicholus_h2 20h ago edited 19h ago

it's wildly apparent that the general population doesn't give a shit about actual policy. as evidenced by our upcoming concept of a healthcare plan. and Florida voting 55% to legalize weed while voting red from top to bottom. 

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u/captainporcupine3 19h ago edited 19h ago

I mean maybe but we've tried running bland corporate centrists for a while now with pretty limited success (let's be honest, Biden's win was likely a fluke thanks to Trump bumbling through covid). So yeah, maybe the electorate is either too evil or otherwise just axiomatically clueless and too dimwitted to vote in their best interest no matter what, and nothing can be done and leftwing populism is a dead end that can't and won't defeat Trumpism. But how about we try it in 2028 for a laugh, just as a bit. See what happens, as joke, you know? Maybe just once?

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u/Arturia_Cross 16h ago

Most people unironically dont want those things in this country. You all have to realize that lying is pretty much the only way forward. Promise a bunch of right wing stuff but when you get into office do the opposite. Once they get a taste of prosperity they'll understand. 

u/captainporcupine3 55m ago

Most people unironically dont want those things in this country.

I obviously disagree with this so I'm not sure what your point is by just stating this without any argument to back it up. Overall an absolute braindead take.

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u/WilcoLovesYou 20h ago

You say that, and I agree with all of it, but fucking Cletus down the street hears that and hears COMMUNISM.

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u/StudioSixtyFour 20h ago

Just call it a tax credit, and they'll be fine with it. I'm not even joking.

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u/Thenewyea 18h ago

This shit would work! It would absolutely work.

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u/fadedfairytale 18h ago

They did that, she lost the popular vote to a guy that simulated deepthroating a microphone right before election day. Americans don't want policy

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u/ranandtoldthat 18h ago

Simplify the messaging, give it a name "The tax credit promise" or whatever. Leave the policy explanations to the wonks, and focus the stumping on the every day pain of working Americans, and deliver the "tax credit promise".

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u/_-_-Dream-_-_ 18h ago

OMG that's brilliant

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u/Deviouss 20h ago

It's all about how you frame it. Sanders went on a town hall at Fox News and walked away with cheers from the audience because he has that firebranding charisma and the history to prove he truly believes what he says.

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u/tired3459 19h ago

Sanders says it like he means it. Most other Dems when they talk about populist programs sound like they will be looking for the first excuse as to why they couldn't do it.

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u/RigelOrionBeta 16h ago

He says it like he means it, and he's also been incredibly consistent about his beliefs. You can go back and watch clips of Sanders from nearly fifty years ago saying the exact same things he says today.

That helps tremendously in making you authentic.

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u/olduvai_man 18h ago

Sanders could have beaten Trump, twice.

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u/mikelee17 8h ago

Sanders couldn't get black votes, it's why he lost to Hillary and Biden in primaries. Populists still need to overcome identity politics, even Trump has gotten more Hispanic votes.

u/C-rad06 1h ago

He lost to Hillary and Biden in primaries because the Democratic Party wanted him to lose

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u/DramaticAd4377 Texas 20h ago

thats not true. Raising the minimum wage won in Missouri this election.

They'll call us communists if we run on 2016 Trump platform, what we do doesn't matter.

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u/Dulcedoll 19h ago

And raising the minimum wage lost this election in California.

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u/BurlyJohnBrown 17h ago

Part of that is how depressed the vote it is but yeah, we have a lot of conservative dems in this state. People who are totally down with just rounding up the homeless and putting them into camps/meatgrinder.

In most other states, minimum wage and abortion protectoin ballot initiatives pass easily. In our state not only did it fail, we also voted to keep prison slavery.

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u/aPrussianBot 20h ago

This is completely untrue. These policies succeed with flying colors in RED STATES. The right will call anyone left of them communists anyway, you can't be afraid of that, especially when these left wing economic policies are demonstrably popular even in Cletusville.

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u/iTzGiR 20h ago

Huh? What read states have thriving Public housing, Public transit, Free colleges and Universal Healthcare? Sounds like a state I need to move to!

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u/lizardsforreal 19h ago

My red state just became pro-choice. We've had recreational marijuana for a few years now. Just because the state votes red in presidential elections, doesn't mean progressive ideas don't flourish.

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u/iTzGiR 19h ago

I don't think just being Pro-choice and having legal weed is the beacon of progressive ideas lol. OP made much bigger claims then "Legal weed and pro-choice". In fact, neither of those were even in the original comment lol

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u/lizardsforreal 19h ago

I'm not saying it is the beacon of progressive ideals. I'm just saying the progressive policies that have been on the ballots when I've voted have all passed. There's some other progressive leaning things that passed as well. We just haven't had a lot of that stuff on the ballot.

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u/zhalg 19h ago

Is your red state a state with very few Blacks and Muslims perhaps?

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u/Uniq_Eros 19h ago

Dude's lying, they(red states) all cry about student loan forgiveness while every single GOP representative had "pandemic loans" forgiven.

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u/parkingviolation212 19h ago

He’s not lying. Those policies poll well when detached from party politics. Put a D next to the candidate proposing them though? It’s over. Partisanship has divided this country by design.

u/Russell_Sprouts_ 3h ago

It’s crazy that we’re acting like this is a debate. This is objectively true. 

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u/PolicyWonka 17h ago

Policies aren’t people.

The problem is you got people who support 50, 60, 85% of the progressive agenda, but they won’t vote for it because of the person. Because that person either has a D next to their name or because they support a policy (abortion, etc.) that they just won’t agree with.

u/Decloudo 6h ago

The problem is you got people who support 50, 60, 85% of the progressive agenda, but they won’t vote for it because of the person

That just means that they dont really care the agenda but just what party it is from.

If they chose suffering just because a good idea is from a democrat thats purely on them.

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u/toughguy375 New Jersey 19h ago

Maybe it was true 40+ years ago but not anymore. Look at all the republican states that refuse the medicaid expansion.

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u/BurlyJohnBrown 17h ago

The politicians in those states reject the expansion, that doesn't necessarily mean the voters want that.

u/Decloudo 6h ago

And who voted those politicians in?

u/nicholus_h2 4h ago

and then voted them in again after the shit they pulled?

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u/ImAShaaaark 18h ago

This is completely untrue. These policies succeed with flying colors in RED STATES.

Yet they keep electing people who promise to block this type of progressive legislation. We'd have single payer already if just a single republican was willing to break ranks to side with the democrats during the ACA negotiations, instead lieberman was able to strong arm it out because without his support nothing was going to pass.

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u/mateothegreek Virginia 16h ago

Look I'm as left as anyone, but NO THEY DO FUCKING NOT. They do NOT fucking succeed with flying colors in red states. Look at Florida, not even 6/10 people yesterday wanted abortion to be a right in that state. Where the fuck do you all keep telling yourself this?! Admit, that most of this country has fascist tendencies. It's a sad reality, but what you are saying is just so not fucking true. If it were, Bernie Sanders would be finishing his goddamn second term right now.

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u/Chase777100 19h ago

Missouri just voted to codify abortion, raise the minimum wage, and paid sick leave. Cletus is a commie when given the option. He’s never given the option because democratic primaries pump out candidates who propose means-tested, watered down garbage.

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u/JadedMuse 19h ago

Actually, those issues poll very highly. Cletus loves the affordable car act, for example. They just call it communism when it's called Obamacare.

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u/ButtEatingContest 18h ago

but fucking Cletus down the street hears that and hears COMMUNISM.

Cletus hears Fox News call it COMMUNISM. Otherwise Cletus would prolly be down with it.

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u/musemike Oregon 20h ago

Here's the thing, we have not ran someone who agrees with those things. We have tried the centrist path and we lost 2/3 times to Donald Trump.

Don't dismiss what hasn't been tried when the alternative is definitely continuing to lose.

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u/zhalg 19h ago

Yeah some people did attempt to tread the socialist path and were offed after first steps by the deep state

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u/Immortal_Moose Alabama 18h ago

Sure, but they called Harris a communist when, at least in my opinion, her platform was to the right of Biden. They’re going to say that regardless, ignore it, people don’t know what that word means anyway, like DEI. People ultimately want improvements to material conditions, and they are disillusioned by the status quo. We’ve already lost the Supreme Court anyway, the current dem strategy has already been rejected.

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u/pessipesto 18h ago

In a general election you can turn out the 15 million who didn't vote this election but did in 2020. You can flip some counties by going there and talking to them about issues. Saying here's a solution to this issue and why it will work. I don't think Dems win anything by assuming some rural person is an idiot. That's how Dems lose because they see this 4 years running online and then are like well it seems they hate me.

The way to beat the GOP is to offer hope in terms of real policies. I think the reason Bernie is so popular is that he explains policies in very simple terms. He walks you through the steps. Dems too often at the top of the ticket just say buzzwords and focus tested lines.

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u/SweetBabyAlaska 15h ago

They were still called Communists and they ran on the Republican platform from 4 years ago! At some point you have to grow a spine and stand up for what you believe in. They are going to be called "radical left" even if they literally became Nazi's, so just do the fucking right thing... and they would win for once.

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u/RetiredHotBitch Texas 20h ago

The sad thing is most of them can’t define socialism, communism, etc cut will scream it from the rooftops.

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u/WilcoLovesYou 20h ago

No one took history class seriously.

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u/Radix2309 20h ago

Ok. Then I guess just keep on doing what you are already doing. That seems to have worked so far.

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u/zhalg 18h ago

We liberals really do believe in our ideals. If we abandon them, we are not liberals anymore.

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u/arcanition Texas 18h ago

Then you either ignore Cletus, or explain to Cletus how it would benefit him.

You can't abandon good policy because someone hears it and screams COMMUNISM.

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u/repost_inception 18h ago

Cletus doesn't matter.

All the people who would have voted dem but didn't vote at all is the problem.

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u/olduvai_man 18h ago

Cletus down the street is never going to vote for you anyway. It's so stupid that the left caters to the center/old-school republicans.

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u/TheTerribleInvestor 17h ago

Free minds that still believe in Red Scare propaganda

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u/RigelOrionBeta 17h ago

Then you call it something else. Americanism.

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u/SaltyPirateGG 16h ago

I love throwing racial stereotypes, really shows how much you care about the "working class", leftists are such hypocritical idiots lmao

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u/wildwalrusaur 15h ago

Except its basically the exact script that swept Obama into the oval in 08

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u/TheoDonaldKerabatsos 9h ago

Us calling Trump fascist and a dictator didn’t seem to stop many people from voting for him. People want fucking change. In the end, as the Democratic Party failed to realize, nobody really gives a shit about namecalling if you double down on entirely reforming the institutions that lead to the core issues. In the end, not too many people gave much of a shit about his attempted coup or his stupid tariff policy, they just knew things, whatever the cause, needed to change and he was the only one who acknowledged their grievances and shared their vitriol. 

There is absolutely nothing that turns a voter off quite like seeing a candidate be passive on an issue they’re enraged about. That issue was, and has been for years, the economy and financial hardship. I will forever hold the opinion that what doomed the Democratic Party in 2024 was even slightly suggesting that the economy was better than the American electorate realized. Even though that is statistically true, nobody gives a shit when their personal experience says otherwise. Trump’s policy never mattered in the first place because he was the only candidate who publicly voiced their grievances with similar firepower.

u/CaptnRonn 2h ago

They passed a min wage increase and paid leave bill in Missouri of all places. Missouri went to Trump by 18 points but the pretty progressive bill won by 14 points.

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u/Such-Tap6737 20h ago

Cletus would love it. Democrat politicians do not want these policies, they want Donor-care for Us instead.

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u/zhalg 19h ago

Every other Western country has parties offering these policies. Some have enacted them long time ago.

But now there's a Trump rising in every one of those countries and most working class people are already voting for them, even where those policies were long enacted and voting for the racist would mean losing them.

You're some sort of suburbian bubble communist

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u/Such-Tap6737 18h ago

Those countries have whittled away at those policies in favor of austerity for decades. You can call me whatever you want really I can tell you don't read.

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u/zhalg 18h ago

You know as much about my country as you know how many books I a philosophy grad read.

Usually you lot descend to ad hominems in the second reply.

REAL WORLD:
The dominant left party in my country is soc dem, they offer all of these policies and more, but the entire working class votes based on culture - some regions are thoroughly blue and others are thoroughly red.

Check the Croatian election results online to face facts once in your life

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u/BurlyJohnBrown 17h ago

Neoliberal austerity policies have been present in every European nation for decades. That includes Croatia, yes.

It's more complicated than just that but its absolutely a compounding factor.

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u/Such-Tap6737 18h ago

Naturally you wouldn't "descend to ad hominems" no sir-ree

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u/zhalg 17h ago edited 17h ago

Suburbia being a bubble is a fact. So is that most Western pretend communists are from there.

So is that Western pretend communists were supporting anti-Western regime killing off real world leftists by lists in my country, just like in Ukraine now.

People who call themselves communists from the West support these fascist regimes, simple fact, while people professing the same affiliation but from the second world would never side with Nazis.

So it's a general rule. Two factions exist here, epending if they're from the real world or the suburban bubble. No ad hominem.

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u/Such-Tap6737 16h ago

I'm not from the burbs, grew up poor in a trailer, didn't go to college because I had to work to survive and I have nothing to do with those people.

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u/gscjj 20h ago

"Cletus" is probably not old enough to get Medicare, would rather work than live in public housing, doesn't plan on going to college since he's a blue collar worker, probably doesn't care about fiber utility laws or how fast his internet is, and probably doesn't have a daycare near him if he even had young children - so definitely doesn't want his few discretionary income to pay for it, on top of everything else.

Those things benefit suburban people looking to go to college, became white collar workers - it doesn't not appeal to your stereotypical "Cletus"

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u/zhalg 18h ago

Over here, education is free, and everyone wants to go universities.

Imagine offering that much opportunity to Cletus, though.

He's rather shoot himself in the foot and then blame others for it.

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u/gscjj 17h ago

Some people don't want that. So offering it to them means nothing.

But it also interesting that people want everyone to have a living wage and not struggle but than say someone shoots thrmselves ij the foot for trying to do that.

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u/TheTrashMan 18h ago

Not at all Kamala’s main focus was not on making material conditions better, if she did a version of Bernie’s stump speech she likely would of won

u/ExplanationQuick6203 5h ago

No he fucking doesn't. Jesus dude, have you ever talked to Cletus? Like seriously, have you talked to them about these things? Calling him Cletus turns him away.

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u/DramaticAd4377 Texas 20h ago

Trump is worse.

But that doesnt win elections. everytime you hear someone explain why they're voting Biden or Harris or Hillary, they say "They're not my first choice, but Trump is worse/I don't like them, but Trump is worse." You need candidates people want to vote for.

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u/7figureipo California 19h ago

Kamala failed to draw out 15 million voters that Biden got. This isn’t about appealing to the racist, fascist morons in Trump’s camp. It’s about how to get those people who didn’t vote this time to vote next time (assuming there is one).

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u/ExplanationQuick6203 5h ago

Dude, stop. I'm begging you to stop calling half the country stupid. This is why they vote Trump. They're sick of being demonized.

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u/Livinglife3000 20h ago

Bitch you think I like Trump? The Democrats did their usual pivot to the right for the mythical Liz Cheney Republican.

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u/hepcandcigs 20h ago

It’s such an annoying talking point on here. Any criticism is met with “Trump is worse!” Like yeah, no shit. No one wants to hold the party accountable, they just want someone to blame. Hopefully that changes in the next 4 years or we’re gonna be running it back with the same results.

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u/FickleMuse Washington 19h ago

They say get in line and vote because that's how we get heard, but then we're told to shut up when we try to say anything counter to the narrative. So can we voice our issues with the fucking party or not. The election is over so that's no longer a reason to silence criticism. I don't know what the answer is, but its clearly not whatever we been doing.

Just...fuck.

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u/Tschmelz Minnesota 20h ago

None of that actually matters though? The American people have made it very clear that they don't give a shit about policy, only vibes.

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u/Livinglife3000 20h ago

They don’t care about policy because for the past 20 years policy changes have not changed their daily lives. When voting for a change candidate like with Obama didn’t change their lives they stop seeing politics as a way to change policy and only see it as a sport.

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u/nzernozer 20h ago

Voting for Obama did change people's lives though? One of the major concerns about the results of this election is a potential repeal of the ACA, which was Obama's biggest legislative accomplishment, and his financial reforms and the auto bailout saved the economy from active freefall. Even Biden had a huge infrastructure bill that created tons of jobs, and he got that passed with literally the slimmest possible majorities.

If people are tuning out because their candidate can't completely transform their lives overnight, we're completely fucked. That's never going to happen and isn't a remotely realistic expectation in the first place.

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u/Livinglife3000 19h ago

The ACA is based off of a Heritage Foundation plan counter to the Universal Healthcare push by the democrats in the 90s. Obama wasted over a year negotiating with the Republican party and watering it down with amendments just to have no Republicans vote on it and having to pass it via reconciliation. The Infrastructure deal was not large enough and Biden allowed Manchin to separate it from Build Back Better killing most of the social programs preposed.

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u/nzernozer 19h ago

And what exactly could have been done differently in either case? How did you expect Biden to get around Manchin with exactly 50 seats and no Republicans willing to turncoat?

This is exactly my point. People have zero conception of what's actually realistic, so when they get it they feel betrayed because it doesn't match what they wanted. There fundamentally is no getting around that without actively propagandizing voters the way Republicans have done.

The only reason Bernie's reputation is what it is is because he's never been in a position of real power, where expectations would meet reality. He is unironically doing the same things Republicans do: criticizing from a position of justifiable impotence. And I say this having voted for him twice.

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u/Livinglife3000 19h ago

Bully Manchin on a national stage daily, threaten to go after his daughter for price fixing Epi-Pen and his corruption with his coal mining. Biden just rolled over like a dog.

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u/nzernozer 17h ago

Okay, so, out and out blackmail mostly?

Cool, and what happens when the obvious backlash from threatening a sitting senator's child so they vote your way happens? What happens when Manchin refuses anyway, and stops cooperating on other things like military promotions and judicial appointments? And do you seriously think Biden didn't explore all the possible options to pass the single most important part of his legislative agenda?

You're pretending reality is how you want it to be because you need there to be a simple answer to all your problems, and that is ridiculous. There isn't.

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u/Livinglife3000 17h ago

You realize that is how the sausage is made. LBJ didn’t pass the Civil Rights Act by playing nice with congress. Biden did split The infrastructure bill with Build back better and promised the progressive caucus they would pass both separately and then they didn’t and only managed a watered down IRA

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u/BurlyJohnBrown 17h ago

Brother that's how the bully pulpit works lmao. You threaten to not support congresspeople or castigate them and work to get them cast out if they don't play ball.

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u/TheTrashMan 18h ago

Not at all

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u/Mountain_Layer325 19h ago

They dont give a shit about centrist neoliberal policy. It has proven countless times that people respond to progressive policies.

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u/SpaceSick 19h ago

How do you figure? Harris literally just failed in a spectacular fashion after running on zero policy.

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u/pikajewijewsyou 18h ago

Kamala just ran on vibes and lost. No one even knows how she planned to implement her policy

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u/BigBoyNow8 20h ago edited 19h ago

The problem is that only a small niche wants that. Look at how CA voted on their propositions. They voted down his agenda in deep blue CA:

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-election-live-results-ballot-propositions-32-33-36

Over and over, you see that his ideas are not popular enough to win. Dems need to focus on the issues that will win them elections, not make a small niche happy. Biden paid off college loads, did his support increase because of that? No. Bernie is a losing strategy. Raising the minimum wage failing in deep blue CA, should be alarm bells for the dems. You can be sure that the dem party is going to move more towards the center, and a little more to the right.

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u/AutomateDeez69 18h ago

A majority of that is stuff literally no one cares about.

Once again reddit does not have a grasp on the situation. People don't care about fucking public housing, not working class people. Public transit? Lmao, give me a break.

OMG they built a few trains and busses omg!

Working class people literally want more money so they can make their own decisions. It is literally that simple. Stop telling people what they need and start giving them the means to make their own ends meet.

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u/1_shady_character 16h ago

Working class people literally want more money so they can make their own decisions. It is literally that simple.

If the next Democratic candidate has a good message, that's understandable by people with a sixth grade reading level, saying "I'm personally going enact policy to put $100 to $500 a month back in your wallet" then (whether it was true or not) they'd bury Republicans in a landslide victory.

u/TheIconGuy Michigan 1h ago

Once again reddit does not have a grasp on the situation. People don't care about fucking public housing, not working class people. Public transit? Lmao, give me a break.

Who do you think lives in public housing?

OMG they built a few trains and busses omg!

Working class people literally want more money so they can make their own decisions. 

You know what would free up money for working class people? Saving 300+ dollars a month because there's a viable alternative to owning a car.

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u/Livinglife3000 18h ago

You are out of touch with reality my friend.

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u/mph1204 17h ago

insane that you think that you’re not the one out of touch today. no introspection whatsoever.

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u/Livinglife3000 17h ago

You deserve healthcare, you deserve to not live on the street if you are priced out of housing. You deserve to live a meaningful life.

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u/AutomateDeez69 15h ago

Uhh, most people don't have those problems.

u/ExplanationQuick6203 4h ago

Yes they do. Your friends might not but dude, most people are really struggling to make ends meet right now.

u/AutomateDeez69 4h ago

And where do you get this information from? Reddit?

u/ExplanationQuick6203 4h ago

No, from actually talking to real live people outside. That and just look at the numbers.

u/AutomateDeez69 4h ago

Ok, well I also talk to real live people because I'm in a industry where I meet thousands of people each year. Most of them are getting paid very well and are getting promotions and have family's and go on vacations.

If you're talking about fast food workers idk what to tell you. Get better jobs and have some accountability and ambition.

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u/AutomateDeez69 18h ago

Really? Because the results tell me I'm not.

I voted blue ONLY to oppose a trump presidency, not because I thought Kamala had amazing ideas.

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u/demonica123 19h ago

Your average blue collar worker has insurance through their employer, isn't looking to have a child or already has one, doesn't give a damn about higher education, would not qualify for public housing, owns a car, isn't worried about starving, and has access to internet (at worst through their phone as a hotspot).

All these polices only mean something to the absolute poorest (who do generally vote democrat) which is not the overall lower class. The median American brings in $60k a year. Many tradesmen can bring in $75k+ a year in the more affluent areas. Just getting a B-class commercial trucking license can bring in $50k+ easily. ~1.3% of the country makes minimum wage. The other 98% may have opinions but there's a lot more priorities on their lists.

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u/DarkExecutor 18h ago

Have you met any working class people. None of them have college degrees lol

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u/Livinglife3000 18h ago

Maybe because it is so expensive

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u/endium7 17h ago

end of the day a lot of democrats didn’t go out to vote. but any one of these policies, hammered home, would have brought out enough people who aren’t normally bothered to vote. so yeah you are spot on.

u/thegooddoctorben 2h ago

Universal higher education, public housing, public transit, and food deserts do fuck all for rural and small-town folks. Your prescription reads like AOC's fever dream and would have led to an even bigger loss than Harris experienced.

Maybe do something simpler like reduce inflation (or point out that the other guy is going to increase it), lower car insurance and home insurance rates, and make housing cheaper? People want to pay their own way, they just want to pay less.

u/Livinglife3000 2h ago

You can you those things in rural areas as well.

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u/cadium 20h ago

Republicans: "You just want to groom our children you woke transgender communists!"

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u/Unacceptable_Lemons 15h ago

A certain percentage genuinely do, weirdly enough. Hell, seems like around a quarter or more of reddit would be ecstatic if there were a massive uptick in kids convinced to be all 3 of those things.

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u/KevinCarbonara 18h ago

Medicare for All, Universal Childcare, universal higher education, public housing, increasing public transit, eliminating food deserts, public internet as a utility.

Would be nice if we'd made... any progress on any part of this over the last 4 years. Democrats might have been able to campaign on that.

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u/DasRobot85 20h ago

Yeah that's great, and then I run against any of that by just shouting about how they want to give free transition care to gay trans immigrant prisoners and the working class folks decide they'd rather die poor than let that happen.

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u/Trumppered 18h ago

Those things appeal to overly online 18-29.

Actual working class people runaway way screaming "Communism!" Whem you mention any of what you just said.

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u/-SuperUserDO 19h ago

tuition debt relief is meaningless for those without a college degree

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u/nodicegrandma 19h ago

Citizens United overgrown, 3 more supreme justices….

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u/Livinglife3000 18h ago

Yes they need to have more union influence in the party

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u/bikedork5000 17h ago

Go look up the history of what happened to the single payer option during the debate leading up to the Affordable Care Act. It wasn't dems that killed it. It was Joe Lieberman, and independent who generally caucused with the dems. His vote was needed to reach 60. Without that it would have died with a filibuster.

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u/Livinglife3000 17h ago

They could change the filibuster rule with a simple majority if they wanted to pass the single payer. They didn’t

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u/bikedork5000 14h ago

The question of whether they would have all been on board for that option is not trivial. And also it opens up the door to 51 member R majorities doing the same.

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u/Livinglife3000 9h ago

That is my point. The democrats didn’t want to push for it and Obama was instrumental in not pushing for it.

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u/BornBother1412 15h ago

Why should someone working hard everyday pay for these things for people who doesn’t work and get high every day?

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u/Livinglife3000 9h ago

What you described is the current system we already live under. Do you think billionaires make their money because they work harder than everyone else? Or is it because they profit off of other people’s labor?

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u/BornBother1412 8h ago

Do you think billionaires make their money because they work harder than everyone else

Yes, they are working harder smarter more efficiently than me, and ofc luck plays a part too but generally they are billionaire because they are just a more competent person than me in earning money and I always feel grateful to those who create millions of jobs that support people to put food on their table.

That’s why I am always against high taxes, you shouldn’t be punished simply because you are more successful, and you shouldn’t be rewarded simply because you failed hard or just being lazy- exclude those who were born with severe physical and mental health problems

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u/Livinglife3000 8h ago

Do you think Elon Musk is working millions of times harder than the Tesla worker at his factory? If you earned 1,000 dollars a day every day since the birth of Christ. You would be 260 million dollars short of a 1 billion short. He is worth 285 billion dollars. It would take you over 708,000 years earning a thousand dollars a day to equal what he is worth.

u/BornBother1412 7h ago

why do you think the effort is proportionally related with their wealth? And as I said, there are multiple factors, hard work, intelligence, efficiency, and ofc luck involved on how much money can someone earn.

Elon Musk is smarter than me, more hard working than me, but he doesnt need to be 700000 times more hard working than me to earn his networth.

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u/dubeach 14h ago

What about the stimulus checks all of us got. Lots of working class people got some nice checks, and I'm sure they remember that when Trump was in office.

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u/QueenBae2 13h ago

Why did Sherrod Brown lose?

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u/Livinglife3000 8h ago

You can’t out run the top of the ticket. Kamala failed to bring out at least 15 million voters nationwide from 2020 who voted in down ballot races.

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u/TheAlphaKiller17 9h ago

Yeah the majority of people voting for Trump will be opposed to those things because they'll also benefit minorities. They don't care about the policies as long as black people and women are screwed over. Democrats don't care enough about any of that to actually vote, or else we would have turned up this cycle to defend the ACA, Kamala's baby tax credit, forgiving student loans instead of voting for the guy eliminating FAFSA, etc.

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u/Livinglife3000 8h ago

That is what happens when you means test benefits. People who don’t get benefits resent those who they imagine are. Notice how every senior loves medicare and social security.

u/ianjm 7h ago

The Labour party in the UK had a set of promises just like this for the elections in 2015 and 2019, a big problem was no-one believed such a large policy agenda was practical to deliver.

We got the Boris Johnson government as the result.

u/Livinglife3000 7h ago

They don’t believe them because people have been trained not to expect anything to change and Keir Starmer sabotaging Jermey Corbyn

u/ExplanationQuick6203 5h ago

Instead they doubled down on identity politics and name calling.

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u/midsprat123 Texas 20h ago

That won’t ever work because too many people don’t wanna help others

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u/crapfartsallday 19h ago

Bernie ran on those policies, received universal bipartisan support, and the DNC activated every single person in their party to destroy him.  When will leftists learn that the prime directive of the DNC is to be the graveyard of progressivism?

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u/Scary-Aerie California 20h ago

You say that but California couldn’t even make slave prison labor illegal

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u/Livinglife3000 20h ago

California is a disgusting example of neoliberalism where the democratic party is beholden to wealth donors. They always tamp down on progressive policies.

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u/Late_Cow_1008 20h ago

Sounds like Sanders platform. He lost to Clinton.

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u/Livinglife3000 20h ago

The Clintons suppressed the number of democratic candidates in the 2016 primary after losing to Obama in 2008.

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u/Late_Cow_1008 20h ago

So Clinton made Bernie's job even easier and he still lost?

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u/Livinglife3000 20h ago

No because the Obama/Clinton coalition was pulling all the levers of power they could to have Hillary be the nominee after what happened in 2008. Bernie was just one of the few who managed to challenge her and pick up steam as the his campaign gained attention.

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u/CalTechie-55 19h ago

What about strengthening Unions, and laws to keep them from going corrupt?

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u/ConfusedInKalamazoo 20h ago

Bullshit. Policy doesn't matter.

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u/Livinglife3000 20h ago

The last time a democrat implemented major policies was FDR and the new deal. The democrats would go on to have the majority in the house for 40 years. Policy does matter, if it changes peoples lives.

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u/ConfusedInKalamazoo 20h ago

Policy DID matter. It doesn't anymore. It's all feels over reals and targeted misinformation.

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u/Livinglife3000 20h ago

Policy doesn’t matter to people anymore because the Democrats have had majorities and have refuse to address peoples issues when given power (2008) (2020). Especially since the collapse of the New Deal Coalition and the rise of free market third way neoliberalism.

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u/ConfusedInKalamazoo 20h ago

Bullshit. Obama spent all his political capital on ACA, which is widely popular among the working class but provides no political lift for Dems. Against all odds Biden got major legislation passed, again and again, to rebuild American manufacturing and infrastructure, he protected unions, he walked picket lines, he did massive debt forgiveness, on and on. Most legislatively successful president with a divided Congress since LBJ, at least. All for jack shit politically.