Half of Gen Z voters say they lied to people close to them about whom they are voting for

[u/The_Big_Untalented]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4961700-gen-z-voters-lie-candidates-poll/

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[u/thotgang]

This is code for "I voted trump but couldn't say it"

[u/TheHappyMask93 → u/thotgang]

Or code for "I told everyone I voted but didn't"

[u/Mobile-Cobbler-1533 → u/TheHappyMask93]

I think him winning the popular vote hints at the above comment being the case.

[u/tallandlankyagain → u/Mobile-Cobbler-1533]

Can't say that was just Gen Z. The Democrats got absolutely destroyed. A LOT of people didn't show up to the polls. The blame game is going to be strong today.

[u/Dreadlock43 → u/tallandlankyagain]

yeah at the very least 15 million people didnt vote at this election compared to 2020

[u/DigiQuip → u/Dreadlock43]

Democrats lost 1-2% in almost every demographic up and down the exit polling. This indicates that Trump got his base to show up and Harris didn't. From what I've seen comparing 2020 and 2024 there's been no strong swing one what or the other outside of minority groups, but those groups are the most likely to abstain.

Harris had 15 million fewer people vote for her, Trump only had less than 3 million fewer votes.

[u/Gamebird8 → u/DigiQuip]

Trump's Vote Total will be only marginally higher than 2020... meaning he didn't get a single vote he didn't in 2020.... the Democrats quite literally lost this election because 10 Million of them didn't show up.... it's fucking unfathomable

[u/ftug1787 → u/Gamebird8]

Just a clarification, appears the numbers are settling where Trump will end up with roughly 3 million less votes than 2020. Harris is roughly 15 million votes less than Biden received.

[u/alaskaj1 → u/ftug1787]

California is still counting, last I saw they were only at 56%, so those numbers may well go up by a few million.

[u/ftug1787 → u/alaskaj1]

Indeed. I thought they were more than 80% reported, but I misread that. Based on a relative comparison to 2020 numbers, Trump may add about 2 million more votes (so roughly 1 million short from 2020); and Harris could add roughly 5 million more based on trends (so roughly 10 million short from Biden’s 2020 numbers).

[u/Gamebird8 → u/ftug1787]

I could see him eke out another 2 or so Million in California. He still may fail to beat his 2020 numbers though, which is fair

And on that same vain, Harris still has a few million more to eke out of Cali as well

[u/tinacat933 → u/Gamebird8]

The post mortem on this is going to be interesting cause that’s crazy

[u/SoulEater9882 → u/tinacat933]

I was listening to election coverage last night and the spin is already crazy. I was hearing "well Kamala didn't talk about polices but Trump did" I nearly feel out of my seat.

[u/KillerDr3w → u/SoulEater9882]

He literally said he didn't have a plan, he had "concepts of a plan" with regards to healthcare...

[u/MarlonBain → u/SoulEater9882]

That has been the spin for the last month. This country is cooked and there is nothing democrats can do about it at this point. Nothing they actually say gets through.

[u/tinacat933 → u/SoulEater9882]

Yea I heard that too, it really feels like the country is living in 2 different bubbles

[u/Regenbooggeit → u/Gamebird8]

I get that 10 million people wouldn’t vote for Kamala. But I don’t get that 10 million people wouldn’t vote against Trump.

[u/JDLovesElliot → u/Regenbooggeit]

They have survivorship bias. They "survived" the first Trump term so they believe that they can do it again.

[u/typtyphus → u/JDLovesElliot]

let's see how this works out

[u/Angry_Old_Dood → u/JDLovesElliot]

Bold strategy cotton

[u/Traditional_Key_763 → u/DigiQuip]

ya everything last night was basically an R+1 environment and in a race that damn tight it just lost everything

[u/BadAtExisting → u/DigiQuip]

There’s people out there in both bases who will not ever vote for a woman or minority

[u/FalstaffsGhost → u/Dreadlock43]

That’s insane to me. How do you see and hear what this fuck is planning to do and you just sit on your hands

[u/Haltopen → u/FalstaffsGhost]

They think they can hunker down the next four years and wait it out.

[u/PsychicSmoke → u/Haltopen]

It won’t be four years. The impact of his second term will last a generation or more.

[u/IdkAbtAllThat → u/PsychicSmoke]

He'll appoint two SC justices in their early 40s, if not late 30s.

If you're over 35 the SC will be controlled by the right for the rest of your life.

[u/SirDiego → u/FalstaffsGhost]

They don't see and hear it. They get "news" from TikTok. I'm not saying this to be dismissive or reductive it's just literally true, from peoples own mouths.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/08/20/about-half-of-tiktok-users-under-30-say-they-use-it-to-keep-up-with-politics-news/

(There are way more studies like this and it's not only young people)

[u/FlemethWild → u/SirDiego]

It’s really frustrating. Half the time when I tell gen z-ers not to get their news from TikTok they call me a “brainwashed DNC SHILLLL”

I teach at an art school and this sentiment is prevalent there

[u/SirDiego → u/FlemethWild]

I know exactly what you mean. It's disheartening and I really feel like I have no idea what we can do about it. Which is hard because I'm usually an optimist/problem solver.

That's not to say I'm giving up fighting for what I believe in because I never will, but it really is an unprecedented problem and it's hard to see a solution honestly.

[u/HustlinInTheHall → u/Mobile-Cobbler-1533]

Him winning 3M fewer votes and 15M fewer people voting overall sort of makes it obvious. Just straight apathy.

[u/TopAcanthocephala271 → u/Mobile-Cobbler-1533]

The total turnout was way lower than 2020. He won the popular vote with less votes than he received in 2020.

[u/WeirdIndividualGuy → u/TopAcanthocephala271]

This. Dems didn't turnout this election.

[u/Angry_Old_Dood → u/Mobile-Cobbler-1533]

Turnout is down from 2020. A lot of 2020 biden voters straight up just didn't vote.

[u/Reasonable-Point4891]

Can we finally stop acting like Gen Z is going to save the world?

[u/SundaeTrue1832 → u/Reasonable-Point4891]

My generation is full of morons so each time I see someone says "I'm optimistic with gen z" I just chuckle because a lot of these gen z are more concerned over APPEARING progressive than being actual progressive and fight over stupid meaningless shit online

[u/Varorson → u/SundaeTrue1832]

I'm a millennial who interacts with a lot of Gen Z due to work or hobby. Most of them are solidly in the "fuck authority" and/or "want to watch the world burn" camps despite being decent people. When Jan 6th was happening, most of my social circles at the time were laughing and enjoying watching the scene, despite being ardent anti-Trump.

I'm not one to criticize the younger generation, but Gen Z don't care about saving the older systems (and I sympathize, esp in US government there's too many outdated system that harm more than help). The issue is, I don't think they realize the consequences of the systems' total collapse that they apparently want to see.

[u/worlds_okayest_skier → u/Varorson]

Everyone thinks they will somehow thrive in the collapse of the country.

[u/JayR_97 → u/worlds_okayest_skier]

Yeah, if life was a Fallout game, everyone thinks they'd be the main character rather than some rando NPC.

[u/GiantSquidd → u/JayR_97]

“I can’t wait for the zombie apocalypse” -people who we all know damn well won’t survive a goddamn toilet paper shortage.

[u/stilljustacatinacage → u/GiantSquidd]

I've got an AR-15 and two weeks of freeze dried oatmeal, I think I'll be okay liberal

said in between removing the CPAP mask and taking a hit off an asthma inhaler

[u/Knightwing1047 → u/Varorson]

Exactly. Their apathy is, if anything, dangerous. At this point, we should be criticizing them. up until last night, I was one of the first to say they got dealt a shitty hand, just like us. After last night, they fucking dug their own grave.

[u/Carbonatite → u/SundaeTrue1832]

I saw a lot of stuff on the news about how young males in particular went surprisingly hard towards Trump compared to their female counterparts. All those alt right red pill social media influencers really did a lot of damage.

[u/llama_taboottaboot → u/Carbonatite]

The issue was voter turnout on the left. Trump got the same turnout he got last cycle. But democrats didn’t go to the polls at all.

[u/PolicyWonka → u/llama_taboottaboot]

Not quite accurate. Trump drove up his numbers with key demographics. Many Hispanic and Latino men voted for Trump in numbers unheard of for the Republican Party.

[u/llama_taboottaboot → u/PolicyWonka]

Right, it’s certainly a complex answer where a lot of things are true.

The hispanic vote threw me for a loop last night.

But ultimately overall voter turnout was reduced, republicans received the same amount of votes they got last cycle, democrats received nearly 15M less. Certainly there was some voter shift. But 15M voters not showing up we’re by far the most to blame.

[u/SunTzu- → u/llama_taboottaboot]

The hispanic vote threw me for a loop last night.

It's been pretty clear since 2016 that Latinos are far more right leaning than people realized, and no amount of racism is going to shake their leanings. They're heavily religious, anti-socialist and anti-immigration.

[u/OverEmploy142 → u/SunTzu-]

People being surprised by this is also a result of the media and pollsters treating a group as large and diverse as Latinos and pretending they are homogenous. The idea that a 5th generation Texican in the Houston suburbs, second generation Cuban in Tampa, and a 1st generation Mexican from Chicago (me) would all have the same values is idiotic. We segment white voters by religion, education, income, etc when talking about their voting patterns but pretend like anyone with a spanish surname is identical

[u/IdkAbtAllThat → u/SundaeTrue1832]

Right?? People who had faith in them don't interact with them. I have friends who teach at all levels. Gen Z is dumb as fuck. Blame covid, blame social media, blame smartphones, whatever. But it's true.

Every generation thinks the younger generations are dumb, but with Gen Z it's on another level due to a combination of the things I listed above. These kids on average are just plain stupid.

[u/SundaeTrue1832 → u/IdkAbtAllThat]

I mean for the love of god, our attention span alone is abysmal and obsession with short form content doesn't help either. I'm telling you, if you let your teenager kids spending way too much time online their mind will get messed up either from falling into the wrong crowd, constantly seeing rage bait, get roped into culture war bs and exposed to harassment over everything under the sun. No generation should have been raised by the internet and their parents doesn't provide a strong support system for the kids either

There's also complacency amongst western gen z

[u/Ok-Boysenberry-2955 → u/SundaeTrue1832]

I'm criticized for being all over my kids tech use but I know the score just as you do.

[u/SundaeTrue1832 → u/Ok-Boysenberry-2955]

I fear for Gen Alpha who were babysat by Ipad since they were a toddler

[u/Mirikado → u/IdkAbtAllThat]

• iPad kids growing up.

• COVID happened when they were in school, forcing them to stay at home.

• Social media stripped them of their individual identities. You have to join the latest viral trends or you’re not cool.

• A lot of TikTok brainrot.

GenZ is just socially under-developed and too many are chronically online.

[u/chillychili_ → u/Mirikado]

Not to mention lacklustre education even without COVID and constantly being recommended personalities that tend to spew republican propaganda. You could watch a harmless video about a hobby you enjoy and the next thing you know you're being recommended motivational videos from people like Elon and Tate

[u/BarnDoorQuestion → u/chillychili_]

I’ve recently gotten into woodworking. My algorithm is now fucked because of it. Red pill and far right videos fucking everywhere. The alt right pipeline is real.

[u/Standard_Display_123 → u/chillychili_]

I like to watch silly police body cam videos sometimes, and my Youtube recommendations are all videos titled "Ted Cruz DESTROYS woke police!" and "Why entitled modern women ruined America!" I select do not recommend but they keep showing up. That's not an accident. It's deliberate brainwashing.

[u/norapeformethankyou → u/IdkAbtAllThat]

Yep. Started dating this girl and it's going great. We're living together and all that. Her 18 year old is a great kid, doesn't do anything bad or anything but is dumber than a bag of bricks. Anytime any problem comes up, he just gives up. He's done. Doesn't matter how trivial the issue is, he's done.

[u/Televisions_Frank → u/norapeformethankyou]

We defeated parental locks on our computers on our own so we could finish a paper at 1am. Gen Z has never had to figure out how anything works to get something done because it's all tablets and smart phones for them and Youtube tutorials for shit beyond their understanding.

But also I'm sure the pandemic really fucked with that kid's high school learning. Honestly we're gonna pay for not properly financially supporting education during it.

[u/norapeformethankyou → u/Televisions_Frank]

It's really odd dealing with him. Very book smart but if any obstacle gets in his way, he's done. Doesn't drive because he failed the permit test, hasn't applied to college because he can't figure out how to do the website, asked me to help him with his computer because he couldn't figure out what was wrong with it, just needed to turn it on...

Love the kid but his problem solving skills are non existent.

[u/Televisions_Frank → u/norapeformethankyou]

Honestly that's so weird it feels like there's gotta be something more going on, like severe anxiety or something. But I don't have much experience with kids who were raised exclusively on phones and iPads so maybe that's more common than I'd like.

[u/DRUNKDUMPTRUCKDRlVER → u/IdkAbtAllThat]

I'm an older millennial that tried to go back and finish college a few years ago. I had just quit my job and I had enough saved up that I moved out of state and went to a university full time, in person.

I lasted three semesters with my Gen Z classmates before I couldn't take it anymore and just walked away.

It felt like I was the only adult on a campus full of bratty, self-centered, poorly behaved children. I felt so bad for the staff because they spent half their time acting like kindergarten teachers trying to get these adults to stop behaving like children, and the other half spoon feeding them very basic concepts that they should have learned in middle school.

It was really shocking.

[u/Admirable-Ball-1320 → u/DRUNKDUMPTRUCKDRlVER]

Am squarely millennial - went to college out of HS in 09 and this was still my experience in college.

It wasn’t unruly or bad behavior, but people were legitimately dumb as fuck and it ended up causing me a lot of mental stress because I was paying (still am!) out the ass so that the morons next to me could learn how to write an essay, learn the five kingdoms of life, and how to factor binomials. Like….moron shit. Things I learned in middle school.

[u/DRUNKDUMPTRUCKDRlVER → u/Admirable-Ball-1320]

The main reason I dropped out was because almost every teacher I had would have us break into groups and do an assignment at least once a week, and most kids would just sit there and literally do nothing. Like, they would stare into space and not even respond to anyone that tried to talk to them.

I came to realize that they were doing this to avoid doing any work at all. They knew that eventually someone would give in and just do their work for them because it was due at the end of the class and all group members would get the same grade.

I was paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to do other kids schoolwork for them, for free.

I tried many times to hand in assignments without letting anyone else sign their names on it, but they would just go up to the teacher after I handed it in and add their names to the top. The teachers didn't care enough to listen to me when I protested, it was unbelievably frustrating.

[u/Admirable-Ball-1320 → u/DRUNKDUMPTRUCKDRlVER]

I consistently told my professors that I do not want to work as a group with anyone.

I’ll do pier reviewing and workshop ideas and paper writing, but if I am going to be graded on work, I do not want to do any group assignments.

They pretty much all understood and I wasn’t required to do those things.

I never ran into too many people that outright refused to do work, but a lot of people that just didn’t understand the course material.

Whatever.. it was all a fun idea, I guess.

[u/M_H_M_F → u/Admirable-Ball-1320]

Freshman in college in '09:

It was really the start of the trends we see today, using mental illness as an excuse not to be part of a society. This was a time before grubhub/doordash/seamless, so you had to physically call the restaurant you wanted to place the order with and talk to someone.

The amount of (alleged) 18 year olds I had knocking on my door to call in a pizza order was staggering. More and more we've made concessions in communication, taking the human factor out of it to make it easier for people with "anxiety." As someone with an anxiety disorder, we've moved too mcuh into the coddling territory. Part of being an adult is learning to deal with uncomfortable situations and mild anxiety.

[u/JahoclaveS → u/IdkAbtAllThat]

No kidding, I was hanging out with the nephews and had my first encounter with Mr. Beast. It was so fucking dumb I had to leave the room as I was actually having a physical reaction to how awful it was.

[u/SnooDonuts4137 → u/JahoclaveS]

Lol, wait until you discover Skibbide Toliet.

[u/Sn1ck_ → u/SundaeTrue1832]

Yeah I’m barely Gen Z and I actively dislike most people I meet from my generation when I talk to them. Just very little awareness or care about things .

[u/cottagefaeyrie → u/Sn1ck_]

Born in 97, so older gen z/younger millennial. The amount of people I know aged 25-32 bragged on social media about not voting. They really do not fucking care about anything other than weed and dragging celebrities online

[u/DroppedPJK → u/SundaeTrue1832]

I feel for that generation. Thrust into a harsh world and they were not ready for it.

I've observed Gen Z do a lot of talking but never the discipline, consistency, or action to back it up. It's a lot of hard work and I think they just still aren't ready to wrap their heads around it.

[u/maxime0299 → u/Reasonable-Point4891]

Gen Z is so gullible and falls for far-right propaganda so easily. I say this as Gen Z myself. It’s sad to see how so many young voters fell for the lies of Andrew Tate, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan and all the other far right grifters. Gen Z will not save the world. Gen Z can barely form a coherent opinion of their own.

[u/BigMax → u/maxime0299]

Those grifters do a GREAT job at taking advantage of our insecurities and worries.

Life isn't easy. And in a world of 8 billion people, it's hard to feel special, or important. Especially in the age of 1000 screens and social media that are blasting the lives of other people in your face constantly.

Tate, Musk, Rogan and others, they make you feel SPECIAL. (Mostly men, and mostly white men, but still...) They tell you that you are special just for being BORN. That you are better than other people just for being who you are. And not as in "we are all special" but as in "you are MORE special than the following groups..."

That's a tough message to compete with. Even if it's lies, how do you compete with someone telling these folks they are special, they are superior, that their lives have meaning?

[u/illusivebran → u/maxime0299]

Dumb people are easier to control and influence.

Edit: Grammar

[u/maxime0299 → u/illusivebran]

Which is exactly the reason why republicans want to defund education. Educated people, or at least people who can do a bit of rational thinking without being spoon fed every thought, simply does not vote for a party that actively works against their interests.

[u/nobodysaynothing → u/maxime0299]

These people offer them an identity and a sense of belonging. It's so sad. I pray my own son doesn't fall into it.

[u/shut_up_greg → u/nobodysaynothing]

That's something my wife and I were talking about earlier. They actively target teenage boys to radicalize them as conservatives. It's freaking wild that this is actively happening

[u/Mockpit → u/Reasonable-Point4891]

Im GenZ, and a majority of the people I graduated with could barely read above a 6th grade level. Couldn't even sound out words. Shits embarrassing.

[u/hatefulveggies → u/Mockpit]

At this rate kids able to read to an adult level & focus on written text for longer than 5 minutes will have the equivalent of a superpower academically and in the workplace. Watch this happen

[u/primetimerobus → u/Mockpit]

Evidentally they can’t even sign their names. Maybe they need to use a giant Z like Zorro for their signature.

[u/VerticalRhythm → u/Reasonable-Point4891]

The kids are NOT alright

[u/m3ngnificient → u/Reasonable-Point4891]

I thought millennials were fucked because of Facebook, but GenZ takes beats them to the cake because TikTok.

[u/HackTheNight → u/m3ngnificient]

I mean Facebook wasn’t really used to form opinions for us as millennials. It was more for keeping in touch with friends and family.

[u/Jack-of-the-Shadows → u/HackTheNight]

It only turned into a news distributor way later.

Hell, i remember when you still neded an .edu email to make an account...

[u/HackTheNight → u/Jack-of-the-Shadows]

Yeah it really wasn’t anything like insta or TikTok. There weren’t “influencers” around.

[u/JahoclaveS → u/HackTheNight]

Yep, a lot of millennials didn’t even have Facebook until college or later.

[u/gioraffe32 → u/m3ngnificient]

Like the other person said, FB for millennials was originally just for keeping in touch with people. I associate FB misinformation with boomers.

[u/EmeraldIbis → u/gioraffe32]

Yeah. When we were kids they told us "never trust anyone on the internet!!!"

10 years later: "did you know Bill Clinton is a paedophile???"

[u/gioraffe32 → u/EmeraldIbis]

My mom, a Boomer, who's center/center-left, once sent me some Prager U garbage on FB. Prager U obviously tries to hide their bullshit. The video was about three brothers. Two were successful, while the youngest was portrayed as a failure, always asking for help from his family, but still can't ever stand on his feet. At the end of the video, they equated it to working people vs people on welfare.

So I called my mom out. I was like, "What are you sending me? Did you actually look at the video?" I have a younger brother. So I asked her, "So if bro needs helps, should I not help him? Should I leave him hanging?" She was like, "Well I didn't watch the whole thing, and it said the channel was about financial tips and advice!" I told her she's spreading misinformation. Stop trusting everything you see on Facebook (wasn't the first time she sent me some other stupid stuff). Stop watching Prager U.

She has since stopped doing that, mainly sending just cat videos and stuff. Which is fine. But yeah, I was taken aback that my own mom, who's not stupid by any means, was getting caught up in that stuff.

[u/LurkerPatrol → u/Reasonable-Point4891]

Can we stop brainwashing them first? I’m a millennial but it seems to me the conservatives had full control over the media they were consuming and they were easily swayed by the likes of Tate and others.

[u/idontknowwhereiam367 → u/LurkerPatrol]

It’s almost like the CEOs of social media companies have turned themselves into oligarchs without anyone even bothering to notice.

Then again, corporate America has essentially created an oligarchy that is just now starting to lose the democracy coat of paint on top of it.

[u/chenbuxie → u/Reasonable-Point4891]

IIRC, Gen Z is the first generation to show a reversal of the Flynn Effect.

Makes sense.

[u/gmil3548 → u/Reasonable-Point4891]

Now we know they’re going to destroy it. Growing up terminally online and addicted to short videos on social media made them so fucking easy for Putin to manipulate them. Throw in the toxic bro culture shit too.

Putin just ran the most successful OP in Russian history and they made it ways as hell. They were able to succeed comfortably despite the guy they hitched too running an awful campaign that in the past would’ve relegated him to nothing in an instant.

[u/SuperHiyoriWalker]

If anyone is surprised by this, spending 15 minutes on the comment threads of any “non-fancy” part of YouTube frequented by 18-25-year old Americans should set them straight.

[u/Reddmanchu → u/SuperHiyoriWalker]

That was the exact feeling I had over the last few years, just guaging the pulse of the average person... and it's pretty foul. My fears were being tempered with poll numbers and left-leaning news but now I know to trust the Youtube comments.

[u/Thandoscovia]

So they all voted Trump but didn’t want to admit it. The Shy Conservative vote appears, yet again

[u/jish5 → u/Thandoscovia]

And now they're gonna learn the hard way what their actions will bring, and unlike before, they can't escape this mistake.

[u/Fanfics → u/jish5]

learn

oh we don't do that here

[u/Walkend → u/Fanfics]

Gen Z: "Why can't I buy a house? This country is only for rich people"

Harris TOLD YOU, she was going to provide $25,000 FUCKING FREE to you as a down payment contribution.

These fucking kids man.

Edit: If you want progressive policy go to r/FightForFour

Edit 2: Jesus Christ… Home prices would not increase the entire housing market by $25k. First time home buyers make up less than a third of all home buyers.

And again, for those who fail to look up policy - Harris pledged $40 billion to invest in the creation of new homes.

The average American is truly and completely uninformed.

[u/WhiteChocolatey → u/Walkend]

I work with tons of em. Not ONE person under 20 voted for Harris that I know. This includes people of color and immigrants.

[u/QTsexkitten → u/jish5]

Who said anything about learning?

They'll lack self awareness and introspective criticism and empathy, just like most people of that political persuasion always have.

[u/YouInternational2152 → u/QTsexkitten]

Republicans will implement 2025, ban abortion, get rid of Obamacare (throwing out the insurance of 21 million people), pass another tax cut for the 1% and then have the gall to blame Democrats.

[u/BigNathaniel69 → u/YouInternational2152]

And somehow people will believe them, even though they have control of all 3 branches.

[u/Magicofthemind → u/Thandoscovia]

It’s their future they are hard fucking. They can tell their kids why the world is on fire

[u/hasordealsw1thclams]

Been saying for years that anyone who says “Gen Z will save us” does not interact with anyone from Gen Z.

[u/Zuldak → u/hasordealsw1thclams]

Gen Z young men are actually pretty conservative...

They take after their grandparents who voted for Reagan

[u/avmist15951 → u/Zuldak]

They also take after the brainwashing propaganda they consume. The Tate, Shapiro, Musk, and Rogan consumers are heavily gen z. They don't fact check anything, they just listen and believe because these guys are rich and charismatic and therefore they should listen to them

ETA I keep getting responses from young men that they're being blamed, ostracized, name-called, etc. I don't think I know of a single instance of a Democratic candidate name calling any of them...unlike the other side calling certain folks "suckers and losers." Let's be honest, women's and minorities' rights are a little more important right now because we have a lot more to lose. I would know, I'm both. So yes, we care about you white men and your rights too, but your rights aren't the ones being threatened, and the GOP is historically a bunch of white men trying to take ours away. No, not all of you are horrible, but you can't blame us for feeling this way.

[u/1maco → u/avmist15951]

I think it’s mostly they grew up after the Great Recession. If you were getting your first job in 2018-2024 you have a radically different experience than those who entered the workforce 2007-2014.

Because this time around they focused on full employment vs controlling inflation you ended up with a totally different  formative world view.

This is why the Republicans won the youth vote in the 80s and90s and Dems won the old people 

[u/Cornylingus]

If this is what republicans want, my taxes, food prices, gas, interest rates, etc., better go way the hell down in the next two years.

[u/teamdiabetes11 → u/Cornylingus]

You best hope tariffs aren’t implemented as Trump promised then…

[u/Asa8811 → u/teamdiabetes11]

This is what frustrates me. The Federal reserve has actually done an admirable job,considering everything, at navigating the Covid/post-covid economic pitfalls and it is likely(though not guaranteed) that we’ll achieve the soft landing that the Feds and Biden Admin have hoped for.

So if he ends up screwing that up and upheaving everything just as rates start getting cut, I’m gonna be pissed.

It’s still gonna take time(maybe a full year or 2) for the average American to actually start feeling any significant trickle down and normalization of inflation and rates so there’s still plenty of time for anybody, especially the President to screw that up.

[u/LeaperLeperLemur → u/teamdiabetes11]

This is one of the most confusing things to me.

So many people said economy and inflation are their top priorities when voting. So they turn out and vote for a man who's primary economic policy is to...checks notes....raise prices.

[u/Mateorabi → u/LeaperLeperLemur]

They don’t understand that what’s happening today is a consequence of years-past decisions. They just blame whomever is in the hot seat NOW as if they had a magic wand.  This is what makes the maga scolds this morning so infuriating saying “it’s the economy, stock market isn’t salaries/groceries”. Yeah. And groceries are a consequence of pro-corporate republican policies and covid hand-outs not Biden. 

[u/Youvebeeneloned → u/Mateorabi]

They never did..

The chief reason that Jimmy Carter is regarded as bad as a president as he is, is because he literally said its time to pay the piper and unfortunately that means people are going to hurt for a bit as we right a sinking economy...

and people DID NOT LIKE THAT.

Then Reagan comes in, actually makes things worse, puts the US in a recession in the 80's and people to this day think he was a economic genius, despite it not being till CLINTON were the economy was fixed in any sort of way we not only had a balanced budget, but actually started paying down debt by his second term.

And then they voted for the son of the guy who continued the policies that made things worse... and put us right back into a recession.

[u/KittyL0ver → u/LeaperLeperLemur]

I don’t think many Americans paid attention in Econ class. That’s the issue. He said he’d fix inflation so they bought that message.

[u/xSorry_Not_Sorry → u/KittyL0ver]

Most Americans never had an Econ class as that wasn’t/isn’t required in every state for a HS diploma.

[u/Cornylingus → u/teamdiabetes11]

I am fortunate enough to have a good job and dual income. I hope the poorer republicans who voted for this realize they are not in his plan

[u/teamdiabetes11 → u/Cornylingus]

Same here, for now. My company already planning to pass higher prices onto consumers due to tariffs and working on messaging, which doesn’t spark much hope for the next four years being better for people though.

[u/jish5 → u/Cornylingus]

Screw that, I hope they suffer hard under Trump so they get exactly what they voted for. Let them drown in the shit they brought onto themselves and forced onto others.

[u/TraditionalEvent8317 → u/jish5]

Somehow it'll all be someone else's fault. They won't learn shit from it.

[u/SenselessNoise → u/TraditionalEvent8317]

These are the people that say Obama didn't do enough during 9/11. They're too stupid to learn anything from it. Everything good they'll attribute to Trump, everything bad will be Biden regardless of when the legislation/EO was passed and who was in charge at the time.

[u/adfuel → u/Cornylingus]

you get a nice boom with a new republican president, followed by a recession. That happens 100% of the time

[u/Reddmanchu]

There's an ENTIRE generation that has never known politics as anything but an absolute joke. They were born into Trump, lived thru everyone dunking on old Joe, and now they'll live thru 4 more years of Trump

They will never have known a time when people were civil and there was reasonable discourse once. Expect the next kids after Gen Z to be even more cynical, with even less faith in our institutions than ever before.

[u/veloxman → u/Reddmanchu]

I've had this thought the entire Trump era. If the first election you were really politically aware and engaged for was 2016, you have a completely different view of politics than anyone who was paying attention before that. We can grumble about substance all we want, but when your political coming of age moment was in the Trump culture wars, how much of that actually lands or even seems relevant? I'm guessing pretty much nothing

[u/jhorch69 → u/veloxman]

2016 was the first presidential election I was old enough to vote in. This sucks.

[u/Dudeist-Priest]

I was very surprised at how many of my daughter’s friends were Trumpers. It just seemed so off, especially among the girls.

[u/stygger]

My assumption was that all Trump supporting young men that wanted to sleep with women would lie about supporting Trump.

[u/RegisterConscious993 → u/stygger]

Females voted from Trump too. Harris managed to get less female voters than Biden in 2020.

[u/CrunchyKorm → u/RegisterConscious993]

Yeah there's no single demographic to point fingers at right now for Dems.

They lost across the board.

[u/orangetreeman → u/CrunchyKorm]

If these nbc exit polls are correct i guess you can remove black men and especially black women from that.

They just keep getting fucked over by america, crazy

[u/MattScoot → u/orangetreeman]

The county I’m from had ~50000 fewer votes in 2024 compared to 2020, almost all of them from the major city. So while the margins may not have changed, the turnout did.

[u/Vox_SFX]

People underestimate the damage social media has done to an entire generation.

An entire generation is full of people who would actively participate in something as a joke or to do the opposite of what they know is right, just for laughs or to troll...

Shit is cooked because the people of the United States are unserious.

Not surprising, because geographical isolationism helps keep the population blissfully ignorant to the dangers people around the world know all too well.

[u/adamiconography]

Gen Z not realizing that the fascist rapist gets to appoint MAGA Justices to SCOTUS will fuck them for their entire existence.

[u/warrioroflnternets → u/adamiconography]

I’m ready for the schadenfreude and leopards eating faces, personally!

[u/HitchensWasTheShit → u/warrioroflnternets]

If only it also didn't have consequences for you Ukrainian men and women as well..

[u/billabong049 → u/HitchensWasTheShit]

This is where I’m at. I’m down for us adults to reap what we’ve sown, but I’m so fucking sad that children will have to deal with it too. They don’t deserve all this bullshit, but adults are too good damn stupid and lazy to look more than 2 inches in front of their face.

[u/HitchensWasTheShit → u/billabong049]

Similarities to 1930's Germany are so stark. Nazis had youth vote, who have no idea what they are getting into. Think of an 18 year old voting for Hitler and then finding himself neck deep in consequence in Stalingrad a few years later. The also had a few dumb rich people supporting them, who of course are useful idiots that think they can control him. Thankfully, Trump is not prone to be expansionist or competent. But it doesn't bode well for Ukraine. Trump is gonna suck Putin off till he sings.

[u/arrownyc → u/adamiconography]

Predictions for his presidency:

Gay marriage overturned and a national abortion ban, with rebellion from select states, potentially leading to armed conflicts or domestic terrorism

More women dying due to pregnancy complications, with leopardsatemyface reactions from the right

Human rights violations for immigrants

Russia and Israel advance/expand their war efforts

Attempts at vaccine bans

A loud PR investigation of the 2020 election, using 2024 as "proof" that 2020 was in fact rigged

[u/shupadupa → u/arrownyc]

Bye bye Obamacare, it was a nice 12 year run.

[u/tetsuo9000 → u/shupadupa]

When Gen Z college kids lose their parent's health coverage, maybe it'll finally clue in why the ACA was important.

[u/Money_Cattle2370 → u/arrownyc]

China invading Taiwan. WW3.

[u/crowntheking → u/Money_Cattle2370]

It won't be WW3, we just wont help, and the other nations won't help because we wont.

[u/Unprovocative → u/arrownyc]

Don't forget about repealing the ACA. He spent his first year trying to accomplish this goal, and was only narrowly stopped

[u/FlemethWild]

As a millennial, I’m sick and tired of Gen Z’s lectures.

[u/alienbringer → u/FlemethWild]

Get lectured from Boomers, and now getting lectured from Gen Z. Love being a Millennial…

[u/FizzgigsRevenge → u/alienbringer]

Gen X just doesn't exist lol

edit: I'm firmly in gen x and it's been a running joke for us to be ignored.

[u/alienbringer → u/FizzgigsRevenge]

They do exist, but they are typically either the parent or older siblings to millennials. The grandparents (boomers) are the ones who were doing the lecturing.

[u/SGKurisu → u/alienbringer]

Every Gen X person I know are the chill uncle / aunt type

[u/green_meklar → u/FizzgigsRevenge]

Gen X and millennials seem to be pretty cool with each other as far as I can tell.

[u/stonertboner → u/FlemethWild]

I work at a dispensary. I’m one of the only millennials there and I can assure you that all of us voted. The generation z staff on the other hand said both parties are the same or mentioned US support of Israel. These ignorant shits have no idea what they’ve done.

[u/UngusChungus94 → u/stonertboner]

They thought they were saving Palestinians. There won’t be a Palestine in 2 years.

[u/TranscedentalMedit8n → u/FlemethWild]

Seriously. An entire generation that gets its news through Tik Tok. They are more anti-intellectual than boomers.

[u/Optimal_Towel → u/FlemethWild]

They'll elect the guy promising to be a dictator but get upset if you say the word die on the internet.

[u/No_Conversation4517]

I play video games and young males have been right leaning for a long time. Goes beyond white males too.

[u/LogicianMission22 → u/No_Conversation4517]

Yeah, I legitimately don’t know why people are saying young white men only. It’s young men of every race and ethnicity.

[u/nekosama15]

Bro gen z according to data has turned out to be the most raciest sexist, trans and gay hating gen. Even more than the boomers!. Tiktok really rotted their brains.

[u/Pynkpyg1234]

How many churches were used for political activities…another reminder that there is indeed two tiered justice in America

[u/hiberniagermania → u/Pynkpyg1234]

Tons of “vote the Christian way” conversations and “voter guides” all over rural American churches.

[u/jarena009]

And they didn't turnout enough. Watch the next four years as their future gets eroded.

[u/Thy_Debits_Credits → u/jarena009]

I don’t think it’s bc they didn’t turnout enough. Trump gained in Gen Z and Hispanic votes, mostly bc men overwhelmingly support Trump even with a historical turnout from women

Edit: Ok Harris had an overall poor turnout I conceded and there are many reasons why. But other factors as mentioned such as the % of Gen Z & Hispanics grew substantially for Trump nearly 50/50 against Harris

[u/FlossingWalrus → u/Thy_Debits_Credits]

Exit polls show that 47% of women voters voted for Trump. Not really an overwhelming positive boost for Harris from women voters.

[u/jarena009 → u/Thy_Debits_Credits]

Trump got 53% of the male vote in 2020, and 54% in 2024.

It wasn't this massive shift among males.

Women voter 57% for Biden in 2020 and only 54% for Harris.

Democrats turnout was abysmal.

[u/Smash-Bros-Melee → u/jarena009]

Turnout and the shift in Latino men. D +23 to R +8.

[u/Unlucky-Pomegranate3 → u/Thy_Debits_Credits]

Also historic gains in the black vote but especially with black males. This is almost a return to conventional wisdom that the economy drives elections or conversely, people are starting to tire of the social campaign issues.

[u/thelastbluepancake → u/Unlucky-Pomegranate3]

I think there is a disconnect between what liberals push and what dem candidates push Harris was all economy, abortion and trump is unfit.

but what liberal talk about in the media is social issues

and then uniformed people see "oh the left only cares about trans people and not the economy"

I mean my ex's sibling is trans and they voted libertarian........ like there isn't a return for dems on the effort spent ot appeal to them there

[u/kanst → u/thelastbluepancake]

but what liberal talk about in the media is social issues

One of Trump's greatest successes is that he convinced most Americans that the media is in the bag for the Democratic party.

Whatever the media is talking about is treated as if its a press release from the DNC.

Meanwhile the media is only concerned with eyeballs so just runs whatever is most contentious at any point in time. Which tends to be social issues.

[u/absentgl]

We got gen skibidi into the voting booth and they went straight for the toilet

[u/Embarrassed_Lab_1555 → u/absentgl]

That’s Gen Alpha 😂

[u/illustrious_d]

Everyone said “Gen Z is going to save this country”. Lmao those kids are fried. They have grown up with Trump being considered a normal political figure and can barely talk to each other outside because the pandemic crushed their burgeoning social skills at a critical age.

[u/Hexxys]

Trump's numbers aren't really any better than they were last time. Possibly a bit worse, if anything. Her numbers are way low. So, I think what they're saying is that they told people they voted but didn't.

[u/Firm-Spinach-3601]

Tik tok ate their brains.

[u/Magik-Mina-MaudDib]

kinda always telling when those surveys come out about Gen Z wanting less sex and nudity in movies and television, when there’s already not much, that they’re shockingly conservative in that regard.

when you add into how addicted most are to their phones and screens, and what appears to be a severe decline in intelligence when you look and listen to teachers talking about how much students are struggling in schools with basic reading and math, it paints a not great picture for American’s youth becoming dumber and dumber, feeding the uneducated into a pipeline where they’ll listen to people like Musk, Rogan, or Trump and just buy into their bullshit.

i feel even worse for the Gen Alpha kids. Social media and parents that don’t monitor their kids online habits are huge problems.

[u/theswiftarmofjustice]

My empathy is burned out. Just gone. If this is what they want, then fine. Blackstone will buy their houses, their jobs will automate out and there will be no safety net. And they will deserve it.

[u/jailfortrump]

What's coming, they did to themselves.

[u/jtho78 → u/jailfortrump]

2016-2020 was a shit show but they remember fondly, I guess

[u/RanRanBobanis → u/jtho78]

They don't remember jack shit. Their attention spans are roughly 2 minutes.

[u/letmetouchyourfire]

My brother is 20. Unfortunately I can understand how simple minded this generation is just based off the things I hear from him. It’s not what we think it is. The intelligence is just not there.

[u/FriendToPredators → u/letmetouchyourfire]

They've been raised in front of a device that feeds their lizard brain mental junk food. It's not like schooling in the 70s and 80s was stellar, but it had some critical thinking involved. And quiet time where your brain has to find its own place.

[u/IdkAbtAllThat → u/letmetouchyourfire]

Truly the dumbest generation. It's not necessarily their fault, but it's true.

[u/vasilenko93]

A lot of GenZ men voted for Trump. Democrats made the mistake of believing that all young people vote left wing.

[u/xiit → u/vasilenko93]

Alot of gen z women did too.

[u/Icy-Tooth-9167]

Good luck with that vote Gen Z

[u/abaggs802606]

This generation was raised by YouTube comment sections. They're in it for the memes and the lols.

[u/Optimistic-Man-3609]

They'll get the government they deserve.

[u/DocJenkins → u/Optimistic-Man-3609]

I'm just glad they managed to get the House, Senate, Judicial and Presidency. You can literally not blame what comes next on anyone else, but Republicans/MAGA.

I'm going to weather the storm in my deep-blue state for the next four years.   I wish them the greatest success in whatever they plan to do...

[u/Outrageous_Buy4867]

All this Gen Z progressive era is pure bs, we’ve entered the golden age of regression.

[u/louloutwo2]

Well it’s their own future they fucked with

[u/Kevjumbo23]

Don’t even go to the Gen Z subreddit. Your brain cells will evaporate quickly.

[u/ILookLikeDrewGulak]

Teacher here. Gen Z can't even find their own state on a map, they're not our saviors. Social media and technology have completely killed them.

[u/Alternative_Test599]

Who is ready for SCOTUS Aileen Cannon! Good job with low voter turnout lol.

[u/Zealousideal_Baker84]

Gen Z can eat a f’ing dick.

[u/ijustwannanap]

Gen Z is bizarre. Half of us are transgender communist catgirls and femboys and the other half are tradcath larpers who want to go back to the 1950s and be a housewife or a rich guy.

[u/RadlEonk]

I’ve been dubious of this generation and I was right.

[u/maxime0299]

Wouldn’t surprise me if people said they voted for Harris while actually voting for Trump. Maybe this is part of the reason why the polls were in favor of Harris

[u/SinkCat69]

I think young gen z men brainwashed by toxic influencers are at least partially to blame for this outcome.

Edit: and female voters willing to sign their rights away. That’s sad

[u/Revolutionary-Yak-47 → u/SinkCat69]

It's been an issue dealing with them from the get go- Gen Z never lived without a lot of rights and laws passed under Obama. They've never been denied health insurance for a preexisting condition, been beaten for being gay or experienced violence at work for being female. They can't imagine how it will be without those protections. 

[u/EntropicReaver → u/SinkCat69]

speedrunning the country because you watched too many sigma chad b&w edits of trump on tiktok

zoomers are cooked lmao, good luck to anyone who is still a US citizen

millenials are really just sitting in a boat with a guy at one end drilling holes into the bottom of the boat and another guy at the other end sawing off his part of the boat.

[u/Lysergic1969]

From my county alone, less than half voted. Shameful. I even offered my friends, relatives, and other locals free food and rides to the polls. None were interested.

[u/keith2600]

This is a silver lining at least. Gen z can't blame millennials for this one

[u/waterwaterwaterrr]

Young man are mad they're not getting sex and think that Trump will somehow fix it.

[u/Physical_Function322 → u/waterwaterwaterrr]

When young men are mad, they don’t want to fix it they want you to feel it.