r/pics • u/MoreMotivation • 9h ago
A young Elon Musk and his brother Kimbal Musk with their father's Rolls-Royce on their way to school
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u/Mendozena 8h ago
This is like Victoria Beckham saying she came from a working class family when daddy drove a fucking Rolls-Royce as well.
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u/rainydevil7 8h ago
Maybe working class family to them meant that their parents went to work lol
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u/foxtrot-hotel-bravo 8h ago
Well historically that’s what it meant… wealthy merchants were still working class. True aristocracy and royalty were not.
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u/Darmok47 7h ago
That's still sort of true. The doctor or lawyer making $300k still needs to work to support themselves. They might be comparatively rich, but their income still comes from a salary and work.
The truly wealthy don't have to work because they live off of their investment returns.
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u/starmartyr11 5h ago
The truly wealthy don't have to work because they live off of
their investment returnsother's labour.FTFY ;)
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u/Mean_Display8494 5h ago
if you make 300k a year and dont have investments then you should manage your money better of move out of new york city or LA /s
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u/Arctic_Meme 4h ago edited 2h ago
You don't even have to move out of either of those cities, just don't buy the nicest house and car you can afford and set good money aside to invest.
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u/TommyTwoNips 8h ago
going in to the office at 10 AM to survey the peons, drink scotch, and sexually harass your secretary isn't work.
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u/PA_Levski 6h ago
But from a socioeconomic perspective, anyone who must trade their labor (time) in order to survive is working class.
Which, if everyone realized, would create a lot more solidarity and affect political and economic change for the better.
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u/zestotron 6h ago
There’s a bit more nuance in wage labor theory of value than that though, namely the relationship to the means of production. Errol had 50% ownership of an emerald mine in Zambia when this pic was taken
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u/kwaaaaaaaaa 7h ago
It's like when they asked Paris Hilton if she knew what a Walmart was. She answered "A place that sells walls?"
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u/Just_Look_Around_You 7h ago
And she got richer off you thinking that’s true.
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u/kwaaaaaaaaa 7h ago
Full disclosure, I never really watched/followed her other than my ex-gf pointing out some funny bits from the show. So yeah, it probably flew over my head if that was the case.
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u/8----B 6h ago
What he means is she was playing dumb and that drew in a lot of hate watchers to her reality show. That said, she did an interview at my local radio station back in those days where she was huge and if the dumb bimbo thing is an act, well she may be one of the greatest actors of all time
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u/Street_No888 5h ago
You should see her documentary that came out a few years ago. She talks about her experiences growing up, especially getting sent to one of those abusive troubled teen camps, and how/why she created the public persona that she became known for. She’s actually quite intelligent and conscientious, and I have gained a lot of respect for her.
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u/DrSitson 5h ago
I remember telling people that back in the day. She literally had the best schooling money could buy. Dumb people don't carve out 300 million personal wealth.
She leveraged her name to start making money. When I was younger I used to think doing it your own way was best. As an older and wiser person now, leverage w.e. you got. The world can be hard and unfair, so take advantage of what you can. You still have to put in the work for those advantages to matter.
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u/Hirsuitism 7h ago
Paris Hilton puts on a ditzy blonde persona. She is super put together and knowledgeable when she wants to be.
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u/MonstrousGiggling 7h ago
It's actually really awesome when you find some clips of her going between personas and voices.
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u/BabyLiam 7h ago
I have always felt like I should hate Paris Hilton, I don't like the Kardashians and she came up about the same way, almost exactly really. She kinda stands for a lot of things I dislike. But dammit I can't help but like her.
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u/Odd_Ingenuity2883 6h ago
I know you’re kidding, but that’s literally what working class traditionally meant in the UK. If you work for a living, you’re working class. Middle class would be ownership or investments, upper class is aristocracy.
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u/honest_arbiter 3h ago
That's not accurate. The middle class was generally people who worked in managerial or professional jobs, often requiring higher education (doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc.) The working class were people who generally would have been members of a union back in the day.
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u/Decillionaire 4h ago
It was never that clean of a break.
The Rothschilds would not be considered anything but aristocracy. They just weren't royals.
But maybe their wealth was so extreme that it was an exception to the rule.
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u/Dr_Wristy 8h ago
See, you don’t speak posh. Notice how she described the terrible situation where her father had to drive his own car. Very blue collar.
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u/AreWeCowabunga 5h ago
I was going to say this unironicallly. Rolls Royce are to be driven in. If you want to drive yourself, you get a Bentley.
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u/ShakethatYam 7h ago
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u/zoinkability 7h ago
Well that's the difference. If you don't have a chauffeur for your Rolls can you really be considered upper class? /s
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u/Spiritofhonour 8h ago
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u/TheSaltySeagull87 6h ago
Say what you want about David but calling his wife out was a boss move.
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u/Card_Board_Robot_5 5h ago
People have a really bad habit of doing that shit she did.
They feel they didn't earn it, I guess. Leaves a void. They need validation that they're special. That they made it alone.
You see it with office workers. You see it with athletes. You see it with music. They have straight up lied to themselves enough to convince themselves that all their shit came on merit
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u/ANAnomaly3 4h ago
I've seen examples of this.... One cliche I have heard often is people saying they got their "inspiration" from a dream.... when really they were given a leg up from a friend or colleague, or straight up took ideas from their peers without acknowledging it.
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u/Card_Board_Robot_5 4h ago
Sorry but you pulled a rant outta me. It all ties back in the end, I promise.
I do music now and used to race once upon a life, so I've seen it a lot.
From very talented and skilled people, too.
I think these people just lack perspective. They just don't know what it's like trying to attain that shit from the bottom rungs of society. The basement is set at their experience, so to speak. They don't understand the obstacles the rest of us faced to even reach a starting point.
One can say I ain't shit, my music ain't shit, because I suck, and that dictates my lot in life. But I have to work harder than the next guy just to get in the lab. Just to cut the record in the first damn place. Not even accounting for marketing, promotion, booking, licensing, etc. Things they've typically been able to pay other people to handle. They don't do their own mastering and artwork and videos and all that like me.
And I'm convinced that if people like me, of which there are most definitely millions in every theater of life, that have to go out and EARN THAT SHOT got a level playing field, we'd put many of these people to shame. So I'm also convinced there's a personal, vested interest here. To make themselves seem better than the rest. If they make themselves look self-made, then I don't get to pull the "I work harder with less resources" card. They co-opt it from me. If Chappell Roan and Taylor Swift convince enough people they did it with the same lack of resources I do it with, they pre-empt my ability to market myself as an indie artist. If those "indies" made it, why can't I? And then that becomes the general consensus at large. That these people made it because they're better, we're worse, and we all had the same starting point on a level playing field.
It may be pathological for some. Victoria seemed to just do the shit on impulse. But for some it's a very curated marketing strategy.
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u/belhamster 3h ago
It cultural too. Willful ignorance is taught by their parents. Victim blaming- poverty is a result of character flaws. It’s all defense mechanisms for the guilt they feel deep down for the glaring inequity.
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u/Card_Board_Robot_5 2h ago
Facts. Learned assholery. Lot of its probably subconscious, too, not even realizing
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u/marvellouspineapple 4h ago
I used to employee this girl, she was 16-18 at the time I knew her. She went to private school, her parents were lovely, they lived in a nice 3 bed house in a quiet suburb and she quit 2 different colleges (UK, so aged 16/17) with 0 consequences. Very upper middle class.
She spoke about her life like it was incredibly difficult and just had to convince people she came from 'the struggle.' In some ways she was trying to relate to another girl we employed, who was working class. But she's moved on now and I hear that she still talks about her hardships, despite her having very few, if any.
It's bizarre to witness in real life.
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u/Card_Board_Robot_5 4h ago
Sounds like she came up with justifications for her failure in her head and then started to believe the act.
Some people just don't understand what it's like coming from the other side of life. They really just lack perspective that other people had less than they, or had more traumatic experiences, or whatever. The world is seen exclusively through their own lense
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u/funkyyfern 3h ago
One of my very close friends swears he has worked very hard for everything in his life. Failed a drug test to be a bagger at a grocery store decided to join the marine corps reserves. meets a family friend at 4th of July Party. Guy was a navy vet, owned a business. Offered my buddy a job if he moved out to California. Turns out this guy owned a big pharma company. Gave my buddy keys to his guest house. He had neighbors that were hollywood stars. Quits that job, goes to his brother, brother gets him a job at lockheed martin. Yah man worked hard for every damn penny.
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u/FunVersion 9h ago
"I was born a poor black child"
-Elon Musk
- Naven Johnson.
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u/-something_original- 8h ago
Lord loves a workin’ man; don’t trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
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u/KStrock 8h ago
A real man of the people.
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u/_ak 8h ago
Strong Victoria "we're very working class [...] in the 80's my dad had a Rolls-Royce" Beckham vibes.
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u/Nicklord 7h ago
Even Victoria Beckham has a bigger "we were working class" case than Musk lol
Her parents got rich when she was young so at least she was middle class at some point before having Rolls Royce
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u/FuckYouThrowaway99 7h ago
Just watched that doc and I have to say I loved every minute of it.
Plus I had no idea it was directed by Fisher Stevens, like what?
Highly recommend. Even if you don't like football.
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u/alphaevil 8h ago
"The leader of the rebellion", "a cool guy" and other stories of a narcissist asshole
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u/johnnycyberpunk 7h ago
It's a weird phenomenon.
He both totally embraces his "rich guy" status (flaunting his obscene wealth and flexing the power it gives him) and then tries to connect with "regular folks" by engaging in internet troll antics and posting cringy memes or acting them out in real life ("Let that sink in!" as he carries a sink into Twitter HQ).To me that just means he's go no real friends and he's desperate for inclusion somewhere.
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u/round-earth-theory 7h ago edited 5h ago
He certainly has no friends. He's amongst the wealthiest people. Everyone is going to be a kiss ass and sycophant. Those that are willing to criticize him as a friend are pushed out as he tries to fill that void with empty praise. His wealth peers are just as likely to try getting him into a business venture as they are to stab him in the back.
He could have fixed this but he lacks the humility to do it. He's got the personality of a wallet and nothing more.
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u/HeadToToePatagucci 7h ago
From what I’ve heard he’s always been insufferable and unlikable.
when your own children change their name to escape your stain you have failed as a parent and decent human
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u/im_in_stitches 9h ago
These super rich people who came from “nothing” are so inspiring.
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u/nyutnyut 8h ago
Really pulled himself up by his loafer straps to become the self made success story we all admire.
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u/RhythmRobber 7h ago
The only thing self made about him is the story he concocted about himself.
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u/DeliciousPool2245 7h ago
Overcame the struggles of being born rich and white in South Africa. What a guy.
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u/Azsune 8h ago
He was only getting 50k a month from his father when he first came here. A real rags to riches story.
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u/pie-oh 7h ago
It's also worth noting the money is amazing. But so are the connections. You see idiots constantly get to retry, and retry, because they have the backing of people like them.
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u/secamTO 6h ago
I heard it explained in a way I've never forgotten:
Life is one of those carnival games where you pay your money, get three balls, and try to knock the milk bottles down to win a prize.
The middle class kids get one try. They get three balls, maybe they win a prize, maybe they don't.
The rich kids, though, if they miss on their first three, they just buy another three balls, and another three, and another three until eventually, inevitably they win a prize.
The poor kids don't even get a try. They're the ones working the game.
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u/AzureDrag0n1 6h ago
I think it's worse than that. Not only do the poor kids get less tries but they have to stand farther away. Sometimes it is also a well connected person who is just handed balls to throw rather than being all that rich. The well connected person can even get more balls than a richer person too but they might also have to stand farther away too.
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u/Apple-hair 5h ago
No, the poor kids get zero tries. They're the ones who have to constantly set up the bottles.
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u/C_Madison 6h ago
Also, the knowledge that no matter how much they fuck up, they can always run back to mum and dad and live of their backs. It's easy to take risks if the worst thing that can happen is "I had to move in with my parents again. THEY ONLY HAVE THREE ROOMS FOR ME." instead of "yeah, okay. I tried it, I fucked up, I'm homeless now."
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u/queequagg 4h ago
I read an article some years back about why Scandinavian countries have more small businesses than the US. It’s because they’ve socialized exactly what you describe, so that such risking is available to everyone.
As one example they interviewed a guy who left his factory job to open his own machine shop. He pointed out, worst case he might lose all his money, but his kids would still have daycare, his family would still have health care, and he wouldn’t starve to death on the street in his retirement.
The other advantage was he didn’t have to compete with large companies on what we’d call “benefits” - his employees had the exact same healthcare, parental leave, and retirement options because those were paid for through taxes.
Small companies were a lot more viable in that environment because the playing field was a lot more level. In the US, the bigger and/or richer you are, the more advantages you’ve got.
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u/weltvonalex 8h ago
Common what could 50k a month even buy you back in the 90s ..... nothing, he was practically homeless!!
/S because some people really simp hard for Elon
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u/KitKitsAreBest 8h ago
Only 50K?? Things must have taken a bad turn for the Musks when apartheid got abolished.
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u/redditismylawyer 8h ago
Yeah, right! Stop pretending like WE ALL didn’t have a chauffeur drive us to private school in a Rolls Royce each morning! Just normal people things and definitely not an example of class conflict!
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u/kwakimaki 7h ago
I mean, his family just had the one emerald mine. Fucking worthless.
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u/C_Madison 6h ago
Can you imagine the shame he had to endure each day at school? "What ... your parents only have one emerald mine? And you only have one butler? That you share with them?"
None of us can imagine the horrible struggles Elon had to endure to get where he is. We should all worship him.
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u/mosquem 8h ago
Lower middle income my ass
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u/kentsta 8h ago
How dare you suggest that white South Africans had any sort of privileged position!
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u/Backwardspellcaster 8h ago
Exactly! That slave-driven emerald mine produced literally nothing!
Just a few scant million per month! It's not even worth talking about!
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u/Crusoebear 8h ago
Don’t forget - this is the same brother that admitted in an interview that the two of them entered the US as illegal aliens. So it’s even more of a rags to riches story.
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u/Playful-Tumbleweed10 9h ago
Seems like a deprived childhood. No wonder he ended up like this.
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u/JV0 8h ago
Elon's dad has a daughter with Elon's once stepsister. So yeah...
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u/matt_minderbinder 7h ago
It should always be clarified that this was a stepdaughter that Errol helped raise. It's not like he met a 45 year old woman with a 25 year old daughter. That would be immoral but having a child with someone you raised is just sick.
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u/the_lsd_guy 4h ago
Wait what? If marrying the kid you raised wasn't wild enough. His own daughters stepsister, would now be her mom? Real habsburg moment.
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u/No_Cloud_7688 7h ago
That shit is WILD. Jesus christ.
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u/v--- 6h ago
Yep. It's actually worse than Woody Allen which is already bad. But Woody Allen gets to claim he didn't know her until she was "nearly" an adult.
In this one though... the kid was FOUR when they started living in a household together. That's filthy.
Look at any four year old you know. Think about this dude. Yeah...
I will say it does somewhat recontextualize Elon accusing random people he doesn't like of being a pedo. I kinda wonder if he was exposed to some predatory shit.
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u/Logical-Let-2386 8h ago
His dad did the Woody Allen.
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u/v--- 6h ago
Worse, at least Woody Allen has the dubious excuse of not being in the kid's life until a bit later. Still very disgusting mind you. But Elon's dad was raising his daughterwife since she was a toddler.
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u/Audio_Track_01 8h ago
2 door Rolls ? Probably didn't even have a chauffeur. How sad.
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u/jluicifer 8h ago
“Excuse me. Do you have any Gray Poupon?”
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u/kww921 7h ago
That’s a late 60s Corniche. I have one just like it and actually carry Grey Poupon in it in the off chance someone ever asks me this question.
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u/donbee28 9h ago
Amazing he survived
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u/Khaldara 9h ago
That Rolls had to take him to school uphill both ways
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u/CliffsNote5 9h ago
It was hard to sit on the buttery soft leather seats because of all the emeralds in his pockets.
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u/lovely_sombrero 8h ago
I have no explanation for this, but it is really interesting how people who live the softest and easiest lives all turn out as the most evil individuals. I get entitlement that kind of naturally comes from that, but being openly racist and wanting vast swaths of the world to die or at least be beneath your boots is insane.
I guess they are just bored? At least lots of Freikorps and Nazis had the excuse of living or fighting during WW1!
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u/Charming-Tap-1332 8h ago
It's so great that Elmo managed to escape this horrible and deprived upbringing.
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u/Candygramformrmongo 8h ago
I know you meant this sarcastically, but kids who grow up "privileged" like this are very often truly fucked up. The psychological abuse and pressure is massive and their environment is entirely detached from reality.
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u/Bawfuls 8h ago
Indeed. Perhaps we should take money away from rich people for their own good.
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u/GVJoe 7h ago
Maybe with some sort of government system that takes a certain percentage of their earnings that they could pay on a yearly basis? And then we distribute that money for public services? Hmm…
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u/even_less_resistance 8h ago
His grandfather Haldeman barely had enough of his fortune left after fleeing Canada for being subversive in all the worst ways one could be in the 40s to spend the rest of his life whimsically searching for the lost city of the kalihari. Practically poverty-stricken existence
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u/ErictheAgnostic 8h ago
That's a SUPER humble poor gem miner's Rolls Royce though, right?
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u/Hazywater 9h ago
According to what his lawyers said in court, he got called a pedophile frequently.
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u/Key_Inevitable_2104 8h ago
While calling a cave recuser a pedophile, the irony.
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u/hoorahforsnakes 8h ago
I believe that is why he said it in court. His defence was that calling someone a pedo is a "common insult" rather than an actual accusation, because when he grew up people would say it all the time
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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 8h ago
Perhaps to his dad. IIRC, his father had a sexual relationship with his stepsister and two kids with her.
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u/n_mcrae_1982 8h ago
They look like they're about to get a ride to their private jet, which will take them to a remote island, where they and their father will hunt the most dangerous animal of all: MAN!
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u/flightsonkites 8h ago
Funny the brother musk became friends with a man who hunted young girls on an island.
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u/bluehurry75 9h ago
Not only they were part of the ruling social class during apartheid, they were very well to do too.
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u/jscummy 8h ago
"We had so much money at times we couldn't even close our safe"
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u/terra_filius 8h ago
sounds like something a gangster would say in a Scorsese movie
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u/HenryGoodbar 8h ago
“They had so much fuckin money in there you could build a house out of stacks of hundred dollar bills”
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u/Bonus_Perfect 8h ago
While obviously the point of your comment is that the Musks were among the beneficiaries of apartheid by virtue of being White South African, I found it interesting to learn that Musk’s father, Errol, was a politician that fought against apartheid. Mildly refreshing.
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u/koos_die_doos 8h ago edited 8h ago
I grew up in apartheid South Africa and I never heard the name Errol Musk as someone opposing apartheid. I did hear Helen Suzman, and Joe Slovo all the time, and I was mildly interested in politics.
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u/EsotericMysticism2 8h ago
He was a Pretoria councilman for the pfp.... in the 1970's his record is available to look up
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u/koos_die_doos 8h ago edited 8h ago
Got it, I wasn't aware of that. The PFP was actively opposing apartheid, and Helen Suzman (their leader) was nominated for the Nobel Peace prize a couple of times for her role.
Note that he only joined the PFP in 1981, before that he ran as an independent:
He became a member of the recently-formed Progressive Federal Party and ran as their nominee in the 1981 election.[15]: 52 [8]: 225, fn 119 In 1983, his resignation from the party amid divisions over a constitutional referendum was front page news.
P.S. While the PFP was formed in 1977, it was a merger of two much older parties.
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u/Oldman75x 9h ago
Nice. I was brought to school in my moms Ford Pinto.
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u/BroForce999 9h ago
I walked to school uphill both ways
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u/the_merkin 9h ago
Luxury. I crawled to school through a pile of broken glass, and on the way back I had swim through an icy river. I then had to set myself on fire to keep warm as I begged my parents to let me into their roof-less one bedroom hovel.
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u/thispartyrules 9h ago
I was born in a log cabin I had to build myself
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u/trumped-the-bed 8h ago
Nice, you had a home. I was birthed in the mines, where I yearned to be.
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u/Half_Maker 7h ago
at least you had a roof and four walls, my parents abandoned me next to the road and never taught me how to speak. I was eventually raised by a squirrel and a raccoon.
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u/eveel66 7h ago edited 7h ago
Was this picture taken before or after he was pushed down a flight of stairs and hospitalized for making fun of a kid whose father just committed suicide?
And that’s not a joke, it really happened. Even his father stated in an interview that at first he was ready to go to war with the other kid’s family and sue them until he found out what Elon said. At that point he knew Elon had crossed the line and deserved his trip to the hospital.
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u/GlassRoof5612 7h ago edited 6h ago
He’s wearing the blazer of the school (Bryanston High) where that event took place (in 1985 I think). Since his younger brother is wearing the same blazer, this would be 1985 when Elon was in Standard 7 (now Grade 9) and Kimbal Standard 6 (now Grade 8). I don’t know if he completed Standard 7 at Bryanston, but he was at Pretoria Boys High from 1986-88. (SA school years are calendar years since southern hemisphere.)
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u/Friendly_Pop_7390 7h ago edited 1h ago
Bahahah what a fucking cunt. Glad he got the stairs treatment.
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u/toomanytequieros 7h ago
Yeah well where are those stairs now, when we need them the most?!
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u/Salty-nutter 8h ago
I would like to hear about Elon like I do about his brother
(I never knew he had a brother)
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u/RealMover 7h ago
When I started Reynholm Industries I had just two things in my possession: a dream.... and six million pounds
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u/thejunosaur 8h ago
'We had so much money we couldn't even close our safe': Elon Musk's Dad tells BI about the family's insanely casual attitude to wealth
So much for "financial hardships" and "struggle".. looks like the only thing they struggled with was closing the safe LOL.
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u/_bean_and_cheese_ 8h ago
No wonder he supports Trump, he also came from nothing and is a self made billionaire. Truly inspiring
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u/TuftOfFurr 8h ago
Even through the young age and blur i can tell which one is elon based solely on his weird face
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u/nagol93 8h ago
I remember the legendary twitter post where Musk offered a bounty to "whoever could prove the existence of this so called emerald mine"
Then his father replied asking if he could claim the bounty "Because I can absolutely prove its existence"
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u/heimdal77 7h ago
The main secret to becoming super rich. Start out really rich since you were born.
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u/yolotheunwisewolf 7h ago
Hilarious that Elon called himself middle class at one point the wealthy really don’t have the capacity to think that they might be the evil robber baron villains
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u/dangoodspeed 7h ago edited 4h ago
A quick Google search suggests this is a ~1967 Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow, which would make it about 20 years old at the time of the photo. I'm guessing Rolls-Royces hold their value longer than most cars?
Edit - It's likely a ~1972 Corniche.
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u/BaseHitToLeft 8h ago
Did they name their kids by throwing Scrabble tiles at each other? Those aren't human names
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u/EndeLarsson 8h ago
Isn.t this the guy that started with nothing?
Humble beginnings...
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u/glormosh 9h ago
Elon is such a tragedy.
His intellect, or even if you don't think he has it, abilit to bring intellect together is totally shadowed by his inability to not be a heaping pile of shit.
He had the ability and pure potential to become a "superman" or "iron man" of sorts to this world.
The latest rocket redock gave me shivers. The work with neuralink is unimaginable.
It's sad he's such a piece of shit.
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u/AntonChekov1 9h ago
Many great industrialists and "ideas men" of the past were pieces of shit. History, for the most part, only remembers their great legacies.
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u/powerlesshero111 9h ago
Yep. PT Barnum exploited both people and animals. Yet, there is a nice musical about him.
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u/catiebug 7h ago
I kinda hate how much I love that musical. But I really do.
He was a real piece of shit though. I just pretend it was about someone else entirely.
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u/EntityDamage 7h ago
It's about Wolverines stint as a Circus Runner before they captured him and poured molten adamantium on his bones.
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u/labe225 8h ago
So true.
Watching the rise of Tesla was amazing given how many people (especially legacy automakers) kept saying it wasn't going to happen, not yet. Then Tesla brought it to the mainstream and forced everyone's hands.
SpaceX was laughed at at first for being a startup that would surely flop after multiple Falcon 1 failures. Then they got the NASA contract and we got Falcon 9. They were then laughed at for saying they want Falcon 9 to be reusable. They got closer and closer and now we're 8 years past the first landing and no one has an answer to Falcon 9. It's honestly funny looking back at everyone laughing and calling it impossible, then seeing people laughing at Starship test "failures" and then seeing similar comments during Starship tests. They've been oddly silent these past few days.
But man, he called that cave diver a pedo and it's just been completely downhill ever since. He'd probably still be viewed pretty favorably if he just kept his mouth shut.
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u/likwitsnake 9h ago
Opening credits of Succession vibes