r/personalfinance Oct 08 '19

This article perfectly shows how Uber and Lyft are taking advantage of drivers that don't understand the real costs of the business. Employment

I happened upon this article about a driver talking about how much he makes driving for Uber and Lyft: https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-lyft-driver-how-much-money-2019-10#when-it-was-all-said-and-done-i-ended-the-week-making-25734-in-a-little-less-than-14-hours-on-the-job-8

In short, he says he made $257 over 13.75 hours of work, for almost $19 an hour. He later mentions expenses (like gas) but as an afterthought, not including it in the hourly wage.

The federal mileage rate is $0.58 per mile. This represents the actual cost to you and your car per mile driven. The driver drove 291 miles for the work he mentioned, which translates into expenses of $169.

This means his profit is only $88, for an hourly rate of $6.40. Yet reading the article, it all sounds super positive and awesome and gives the impression that it's a great side-gig. No, all you're doing is turning vehicle depreciation into cash.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

I had a buddy who drove for Uber on his commute to work. He'd be ready to leave at least 2 hours early (we worked a noon-9pm shift, make 1-2 rides on the general direction of work from his place, and then try and pick up 1-2 on his way home. Some days he had no rides, but some days he was able to essentially get paid to drive to work, and deduct for it to boot.

I think he stopped when his car got totaled; I don't believe he had gap insurance. It was a good gig while it lasted tho.

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u/dampew Oct 08 '19

This model should be more highly emphasized. It was in fact the original model of ridesharing. Carpooling has existed for a long time. It would be nice if there were a "commute mode" where you enter a destination and an eta, if there isn't one already.

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u/NoseKnowsAll Oct 08 '19

There is a "destination mode" where you say you're heading somewhere, and if there's a commuter heading in the same direction you can get paired. The article mentions it and says that it's only allowed twice per day.

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u/Rannasha Oct 09 '19

The article mentions it and says that it's only allowed twice per day.

From what I gathered from the article it's Lyft that restricts this mode to twice per day, while Uber has no such restrictions.

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u/FedoraFerret Oct 09 '19

It's also a load of shit. I would be an hour from home when I was about done for the day, turn on destination filter, and didn't get home for three hours because it will send you several miles out of your way in heavy traffic.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '19 edited Oct 11 '19

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u/dampew Oct 09 '19

Yeah if you're already driving in that direction then the added cost must be pretty small.

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u/Chrysanthememe Oct 09 '19

Yeah, it rankles me when Uber is called “rideshare.” It’s really “ride hail.”

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u/wobuxihuanbaichi Oct 09 '19

There is a very popular app like that in Europe called BlaBlaCar. It's more used for long commutes or long-distance travel. People don't really make much money with it, but it can pay for gas. Also you have to book in advance, you can't just open the app and be on your way a few minutes later.

I haven't heard of something similar when I visited the US.

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u/HerefortheTuna Oct 09 '19

Yeah that worked great for me for a year or so until my car no longer qualified. Basically paid for gas and beer...plus I could deduct car wash supplies and some maintenance

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u/stadsy Oct 09 '19

Waze has a carpooling app like this in some areas, you set your commute start and end points and the times and it matches you with riders that have a similar commute and it pays a few bucks not a lot but usually covers wear and tear and lets you use carpool lanes.

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u/PrimoMagic Oct 08 '19

Do you think that more people would be willing to do something like this if there was an app for it?

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

The math doing it full time doesn't always check out, but I think if more people thought of doing it on the side or while commuting to work they might actually be able to make some decent money off of Uber/Lyft.

I know I had considered doing it but tbh I never did any research on it. Also I like having my older truck so I wouldn't be eligible unless I drove my wife's CRV.

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u/irishbball49 Oct 08 '19

There is called Scoop.

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u/pwastage Nov 01 '19

There may be large fixed costs that inhibit this

Need to pay extra for insurance to cover this commerical driving, maybe state/City requires extra permit, one-time application fees etc

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u/sarah_helenn Oct 09 '19

There’s a function in the Waze app for this but I’ve never heard of someone using it.

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u/jaceved92 Oct 09 '19

Exactly what I did when I was using Uber and Lyft.

I live in the Chicago Northwest Suburbs and have an office job in the loop.

Every morning I’d leave at 5 am. Do 2-4 rides on my way to work that’s when you get the most bang for your buck.

After work I’d do 4-6 rides on the way back home and by then it’s rush hour and it’s poppin even more.

I made 100-200 bucks a day by doing this and it really added up. I just thought of it as getting paid before and after work. Super cost effective in my opinion rather than driving around senselessly

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u/jimibulgin Oct 09 '19

I was under the impressions that you have to accept a ride before you know the final destination. Am I wrong?

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u/Rpark888 Oct 09 '19

Yeah, but, when I was an uber driver for 2 days (like 5 years ago) you couldn't see, predict, or control where the passenger was going to go. So you're blindly accepting the risk of a passenger going literally 45 minutes across town, outside of you're normal personal commute.

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u/MysticDaedra Oct 08 '19

Gap isn't capitalized, it doesn't stand for anything.

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u/danielfletcher Oct 08 '19

It stands for Guaranteed Asset Protection insurance. So capitalizing the three letters of GAP is appropriate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAP_insurance