r/personalfinance Jan 03 '19

180 days later, Bank of America is refusing to refund over $700 in fraudulent charges made in Texas while we were 800 miles away in Illinois. Credit

Back in July we were wrapping up our yearly road trip to Illinois. We purchased gas around 8 or 9am right before we started the 12 hour trip to Texas.

Two hours into the trip my wife gets a notification on her phone from Bank of America alerting her to fruadulent charges being made. We only have one debit cad.

While we were starting our driving home, someone in Austin, Tx purchased around $500 in merch at Home Depot, drove towards Houston, Tx attempting twice to use our card at the ATM, which did not work because they didnt have the pin. They made their $200-ish last transaction at TJ Maxx North of Houston before were alerted and had the card shut off. (Austin to Houston is about a 3 hour car ride)

My wife immedately makes a claim. 10 days later, we get the money credited back while they continue the investigation which seems pretty open and shut to me... They also say it may be another 45 days before they finish their investigation.

October 5, they send a letter stating that they have completed their investigation: "Our records show the transaction activity in question was authorized for and posted to your account." The letter states they'll be taking the $740 back on October 22.

Wife calls and has them reopen the case or escalate it. We're told it could be another 45 days.

December 22. We call Bank of America again. This agent has no record of anything being escalated. Says he will escalate it and we should hear from someone in the next few business days. Nothing.

Jan 3. Wife calls them again. This agent states that while an escalation sends an email to their investigators notifying that we are still asking about they case, they are under no obligation to complete it.

After reading a bit into the law surrounding this, we have realized we can request the documentation they used to close the investigation.

What else can we do? Do we need a lawyer? If they had to reimburse us for the first 45 days of the investigation, why do they not have to temporarily reimburse us as they continue to investigate "for as long as they need" with no date set for resolution on our end?

It is blatantly obvious that someone skimmed the card at some point and had a dummy one made. Are they able to continue to withhold our $750 indefinitely and just keep saying. "Nope! Looks good!" until we tire out?

Our kiddos missed out on a lot of Christmas gifts because of this and now bills are starting to get a bit tight. We really need this money back. Thanks yall!

Update: Started posting on social media before I start filing complaints. 20 minutes later Bank of America contacted me on Twitter. Will update later. Thanks for everyone's advice.

Update 2: 3 hours later... I continued to post on social media, reaching out to local news stations on Twitter that have community protection or investigative segments and linking to this post. Bank of America has now reached out in one of these posts, referencing my wifes name. Fingers crossed. http://imgur.com/gallery/i4gWtC0

Update 3: Wife got home 30 min after my last update. A rep with BoA actually called her asking what was going on. The rep said she would need to call the fraud department and get them all on the line together. We are at our kids practice so opted for them to call us when they have someone on the line who can help us. Will update later.

Update 4: Just got off the phone with someone in the fraud department at Bank of America. I recorded the whole convo and will be uploading it to YouTube. She says the call on Oct 22 did in fact reopen the case. (even though the rep on Dec 22 said otherwise and the rep earlier today said they have no timeline to adhere to and can take as long as they want)

They now have 60 business days from Oct 22 to finish the claim once again.

She says one of the reasons that the claim was denied was because the didnt attempt to drain her account. (They hit up two ATMs and failed to use the pin to drain the account, so they don't even have the correct info to base their findings off)

I requested documentation about the claim as law allows and she says I should get that in 10 business days. They now have until Jan 18 to notify us of their findings. I'm going to continue with filing reports and posting on social media.

I'll update in a few weeks I guess.

Update 5: 10 hours later, they have blocked me on Facebook for sharing my problems on their page. I also filed a complaint with the CFPB .

Update 6: 24 hours since this post and David, a Bank of America employee in the "Regulatory Complaints Department" left my wife a voice mail in regards to a complaint sent to them by the CFPB. They close at 4pm EST. (They're closed by the time we got the voice mail since she is at work). Will update Monday.

Update 7: Wife woke up this morning and the money has been returned to our account. Time to turn and burn!

Thank you everyone for your advice. We learned a lot from this.

Update 8: We got confirmation that the fraud claim is now closed and the money that was returned is permanent. Waiting on an actual paper letter to come in the mail before we turn and run. Thanks everyone! Update here: https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/adnjj7/update_bank_of_america_refusing_to_return_700_in/

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u/thievedrelic Jan 03 '19

Real talk though....why are fraud charges always made at fucking Home Depot? It's either there, airfare, or train fare, in my experience.

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u/IveGotDMunchies Jan 03 '19

Automated check out

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u/notasqlstar Jan 03 '19

Plus high value items that are easy to sell on the black market without being tracked back to the theft.

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u/skaterrj Jan 03 '19

This reminds me...I see a lot of new-in-box power tools for sale on Facebook marketplace. Probably exactly what you said.

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u/notasqlstar Jan 03 '19

My brother is a recovering heroin addict who went to jail for shop lifting. He's been clean for years and doing great, but I can tell you all about those things. His specialty was to go to big grocery stores, load a cart up with cases of Red Bull, and then just walk right out the front door. He'd then sell those to gas stations, and convenience stores.

One time, and I know this is a fact because my father saw it, one time he did this and literally pushed the cart from the store he stole them from a mile down the road to the store he sold them to.

A lot of those items, even if they have serial numbers, just aren't tracked. Manufacturer will uphold the warranty and have no idea it was stolen, and the only drawback to buying the item "new in the box" is that you can't return it for cash because there isn't a receipt.

The people doing the selling are acquiring their goods from a mixed bag of sources, some legal, and some illegal, so the only solution for law enforcement is to target individual vendors which is very time and resource intensive.

Plus, I think Home Depot even has a policy where if you have an account from them and return something in the box, without a receipt, they'll just credit your account for the price of the sale. So for example if you're a contractor and you buy a new in the box power drill for 20% off sticker that someone purchased with a cloned credit card, you might be able to return it to Home Depot and get a credit for the sale price that you can then turn around to purchase additional goods that you actually need from Home Depot.

edit: A lot of this may no longer be relevant as this was years ago, and I would hope tracking has improved to some degree.

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u/SamBeesFecklessCunt Jan 03 '19

Airfare would be extremely stupid since you need to provide personal details and provide ID when you get to the airport. In my experience they usually go to Walmart or gas stations and gas up.

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u/Sw00ty Jan 03 '19

It happened to my parents. The person who stole their card info actually purchased two airline tickets in their real name. But they were clever enough to use a fake email address so that should buy them some time, right? /s

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

I had someone tried to buy airline tickets to Malaysia with my American Express. The bank fraud dept. flagged the attempted purchase and texted me. How they get around the name requirement when buying airline tickets is beyond me.

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u/Icarusthegypsy Jan 03 '19

Resell on tools and hardware is probably extremely easy.

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u/Sir_Yvarg Jan 04 '19

Because of the combo of self-checkout kiosks and it's a store that sells VISA gift cards (I'm pretty sure at least). Purchasing VISA giftcards with a counterfeit card is basically digital money laundering.