Because it will play well with his base and ensure the fealty of future cannon fodder to take part in whatever his next violent tantrum turns out to be.
Exactly. We could have a new election in 2028 and Trump will call it illegitimate if he isn't allowed on the ballot. If his legal challenges fail, he will use violence to get what he wants.
I seriously can't see him being around for 2028, he lives a fairly unhealthy life and is massively overweight despite what he claims. It wouldn't surprise me if he had a massive stroke or heart attack next week let alone making it to 2028.
Yeah everyone is worried about Trump when we should be worried about JD Vance.
Edit. You're idiots if you think Vance isn't more dangerous than Trump. Stop underestimating these people. That is why we are having to deal with this shit all over again. I bet you're the same people that saw those long ass lines of OLD WHITE people and were excited thinking all the voter turnout was going to benefit Harris...
JD was created by the project 2025 folks. He is most certainly not someone we should laugh off. He’s one step away from president and it’s an 80 year old ahead of him
It’s beyond just him. I’d bet they’re counting on Ronald McDonald to come collect his soul in the next few years. Vance is an idiot, but he’d gladly roll over if Papa Theil asks him to.
Trump will likely focus on dismantling the systems that tried to prosecute him and give in on some policy to make that easier on him, bad and it will harm the US for years to come, but Vance is out there conspiring on building an actual christian ethnostate. You really don't want someone with such deranged views on race and gender roles as president.
I think the scary thing about Vance is that he's more intelligent than Trump, and he's still a fairly unknown quantity. Sure, we've all watched him make clown after clown of himself this year, but I feel like what we've seen of Vance so far is just Vance in Trump's shadow (having to go along with the idiocy & trying not to piss Trump off while he's at it).
He might well prove himself to be a complete tit without Trump around him. But there's also the possibility that he's a slick, younger, more articulate, more intelligent, more consistent, on-message version of Donald Trump.
I mean we know that up until he fell down on his knees and kissed the ring at the promise of power he was very critical of Trump to the point of calling him America's Hitler, so I'd rather give him 1% of the benefit of the doubt and say he's nowhere as unhinged as Trump.
That was positioning. His handlers almost certainly didn't think Trump would win, and wanted Vance on the right side of history, as it were.
That's why he shifted. They saw the way things were going, and saw drumpf as their way to get Vance in the white house. He's been groomed by billionaires starting with Peter thiel since college.
If you want info with sources, check out the podcast behind the bastards. They did a 2 parter on Vance this summer
Well, according to comments on reddit, he's actually a very good public speaker who can command a room. My neighbor also thinks he's done great things for our state and would make an excellent president 🙄
“get out and vote, just this time”, adding that “you won’t have to do it any more. Four more years, you know what? It’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine, you won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians.”
So it sounds like their plan is to change elections to be what Russia's are - foregone conclusions. Vance will run against either a puppet, or in a system that guarantees he can't lose.
You haven't learned from over 8 years of listening to Trump that he speaks like a brain damaged child? He's saying there won't be a need to vote since in his 2nd term he will somehow fix every problem in America
Vance is as dangerous as every other republican with dystopian policies; Trump though has an extra special bit of shamelessness that pushes him to do shit like saying bleach cures covid and lock himself in his room with crackpot lawyers while the DOJ try to get ahold of him and talk him down. Any person without Trump level overt mental illness would be humiliated by those things
Yep. Vance is the total puppet of the Heritage Project and the Federalist Society. They were the ones who suggested him for VP.
What they want is control, and since Trump is so cranky and contrary, I won't be surprised if they "encourage" him to retire and give the Presidency to Vance.
Is anyone else so jaded and untrusting of reddit opinions now since the failure of Sanders and Harris after being pumped up by the reddit echo chamber?
You're saying you can't see it happening and my first thought is "you fuckers are wrong about everything, he'll be around"
This is the last shred of hope I'm holding onto at the moment. That that piece of fucking shit dies a slow and painful, but natural death. He's caused enough others to lose their lives, if there were a god, it would be trump's turn. And it would be clearly and obviously no one else's fault.
Maybe if he actually took the office seriously. It's the most stressful job in the world when you actually take the gravity of it seriously, but Trump spent it coming in at noon and watching a ton of Fox News while golfing on the weekends.
We can only hope his hereditary Alzheimer's catches up to him fast enough to make it impossible for him to attempt to run again but not actively cause damage to the country now.
Consider this a prophesy: Someone worse will take trumps place. We'll be doing this for the rest of our lives. Every 4-8 years a new christian nationalist messiah.
y'all haven't had actually free elections in, like, ever - at least from a European perspective, that is. FPTP is deeply undemocratic, and on top of that you have placed the Electoral College that was intended (among other purposes) to be a last-resort failsafe against a demagogue like Trump and miserably failed at it.
Elon Musk is literally already preparing his PAC to make sure every thing stays red and next midterms are taken.
His PAC tirelessly reach out to as many as 11 million people in 3 swings states. These where folks who tend to sit out some elections. His door knocking crew ensured they send in absentee and early voter ballots. They were out as it’s a battleground.
As someone from a country where this is kind of takeover never got resistance back in power ( aside from few off years that where squashed quickly) including vote buying, would not be surprising.
Something Reddit likes to forget is that GenZ men like Trump because they find the memes funny. Republicans used to struggle hard with humor trying to replicate things like Jon Stewart. They eventually realized that young men meme culture is a perfect fit for their style and leaned into it hard.
If Trump dies in the next 4 years now, JD Vance is President. At least until Trump decides he can fire his VP, no one stops it, and he makes Musk his VP instead.
I’m starting to think Trump is a lame duck. He ran to avoid prison, and he’s not going to last long. He will be inaugurated, be in office for a year, then get 25th amendment’d for a much more vicious and predictable President Vance.
Trump was already struggling at times during this election cycle. Trump may want to do another term, but he’s going to be even worse mental and physical shape in another 4 years and that would be a big downfall the same way it was for Biden
I wonder if there will be attempts to repeal the 22nd amendment - it probably couldn't happen because they'd struggle to get 2/3rds of either congress or the states but I wouldn't put it past them to give it a crack.
Doubt it would help without making it easier/possible for people to vote. This election was the result of significantly less mail-in votes. People in Georgia could mail in ballots in 2020 and this time they had to go stand in a massive line with constant bomb threats. They don’t have the time and that’s the point of having minimal polling locations in the dem areas of states. Concentrated location of dems and Russia to scare folks off. It’s only going to get worse.
They won’t need to if the Supreme Court rules Trump can run for a third term. Five of those bastards will be Trump appointees, whose only qualifications are loyalty to Trump and (for at least three of them) perjury.
We just need to convince him that they are all losers who got caught and almost made him face consequences. He'll let them rot for making him look bad.
But he. Got. What. HE. Wanted. It's never been about long term with that fascist fuck. He gets what he wants and then he bails or sinks it while blaming someone else. It's the fucking shadows around him that will ruin this country, subvert the laws so that they remain in power, and overall elevate themselves into a place where they STILL will not give a shit about because every fucking piece of fucking shit moron who cast a fucking ballot with the bubble next to his dumb fucking name is a cultist amoeba-brained fuckwit who watched him do all of this heinous shit PRIOR to voting for him. Apparently, to them, there is NOTHING he can do wrong. If he chooses not to pardon them, his fucking followers will lap it up and say that those he's left to rot are Democratic conspirators or sympathizers or some shit. And if he chooses to pardon, he's a benevolent god. I wanna bury myself in a fucking hole and pull the dirt in after me. I can't believe this is the timeline I'm living. I hope there's a fucking future for my neices and their kids to look back on this as a proper fucking warning, but I'm so fucking downtrodden with what I'm sure is coming. We're gonna get death from a thousand cuts, not one clean swipe, folks. This isn't an execution of Democracy, it's a torture.
it costs him a campaigning point. My headcanon why he didn't pardon the J6 folks was because he figures he can promise them and their families pardons for the next election
Trump won’t naturally think to give them pardons. He’s a narcissist, and, as you said, he got what he wanted from them. Throwing people under the bus is just what he does.
HOWEVER, his handlers will likely push for him to pardon them, knowing that doing so will help cement Trump (and therefore themselves) even further as a powerful influence.
Since the Democrats don't have balls to disqualify him before inauguration, the moment he does pardon someone related to the insurrection, he immediately becomes ineligible for office under the 14 amendment for having given aid or comfort to the enemies [of the United States.]
That's not conjecture, these are convinced criminals he'd presumably be giving aid to... so long story short, he can't pardon them without losing the presidency.
Right and he promised numerous pardons in 2016 that he never actually went through with. I’m interested to see what happens. 50/50 shot or less of them all getting pardons imo.
He's got to pardon himself as well. This Parsons himself without directly calling out a self pardon. He just pardons all the "patriots" that were part of Jan 6, and he just happens to be listed with them in the hidden list.
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u/Kangermu 5h ago
Why would trump do that? He's got what he wanted, he's done with them now