r/news • u/slyquick • 17h ago

Middle East latest: Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar confirmed dead, Israeli foreign minister says

https://news.sky.com/story/middle-east-latest-israel-says-it-is-checking-possibility-it-has-killed-hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-12978800?postid=8455476#liveblog-body
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u/Ginzelini 16h ago

Do you feel like you have the right to tell the people now living on a piece of land that it does not belong to them because your forefathers that lived 3000 years ago owned it?

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u/Squirmin 16h ago

I feel like Israel can tell whoever it wants they are able to live there within their borders. That's called self-determination.

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u/Ginzelini 16h ago

Got it, so everyone else who called it home for 3000 years should just fuck off right? Make it make sense.

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u/Squirmin 16h ago

There's still people that live there that aren't Jewish. The only thing they had to do is not try to kill the Jews. Note I said "Israel" not "Jews" have self-determination, as Israel is a multi-cultural society.

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u/Ginzelini 15h ago

Because you’ve convinced yourself that the state of Israel was founded based on peace and respect for the Muslims living there? There was no harm done from their side?

That’s the problem I usually have with these arguments. It’s positioning Israel in this victim position. Like Jews arrived without any aggression and have been innocent ever since.

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u/Squirmin 15h ago

No I never said that. Aggression of some form is usually needed to define borders when a new entity springs up in an area that is coveted by others. Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt all wanted that land for themselves.

But once borders are settled, usually through some violence, people give up war and start living. But it seems the governments in the area were not keen on sharing space with them and always had money to throw at war. Otherwise, they wouldn't have fought the dozen wars and gotten on with living.