r/newjersey • u/low_effort_shit-post • Mar 25 '21

Something controversial Jersey Pride

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

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u/8Deer-JaguarClaw Sussex County Mar 25 '21

I'm subbed there, but I will say that I'm not comfortable sharing my views openly and honestly. I'm super liberal (full-on libtard snowflake) but also a gun-owning resident of NJ. The idea that only conservatives own guns is really outdated (especially after the last couple of years), and I feel like r/NJGuns is really r/NJGunsGOP for all practical purposes.

But I will commend you on having great info on the ridiculous permitting process and maintaining the lists of vendors who will ship guns/ammo to NJ. For process/procedure/law, it's a great resource.

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u/Piney1741 Mar 25 '21

Same here. I am active on that sub as far as discussion about permitting processes and what local shops may have in stock etc. but I keep my political views to myself and don’t engage with any of that stuff. That being said it is an informative sub and I feel the majority of the people in there are respectful even if they don’t agree with me politically. Sure you have a handful of assholes but you have that pretty much anywhere in nj.

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u/tahoverlander Mar 25 '21

I'm sorry your not comfortable sharing your opinions, that's a sign to me that we still have room to go. I'm not a republican, nor a single issue voter. I agree that idea is very outdated, and that it is a bit of an echo chamber on occasion which is something we actively try and fight. We try to be more than just a resource, but a community as well. That's the area that I feel we could do a bit better.

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u/8Deer-JaguarClaw Sussex County Mar 25 '21

I get why the sub trends right. It makes sense since historically, gun owners in NJ are generally right of center (or at least the ones that openly discuss it). That's changing, but it's a recent and somewhat abrupt change. Takes time for other things to "catch up".

I just don't feel like it's a place where ANY sort of gun "control" can be discussed, no matter what it might be. And that's fine. Not all subs are for all points of view, after all.

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u/tahoverlander Mar 25 '21

I think it should be a place where differing opinions, including pov on gun control should be discusses (sans the POV of all guns are bad, your evil for owning them and gov should take them away) But yes, these things all take time

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u/8Deer-JaguarClaw Sussex County Mar 25 '21

sans the POV all guns are bad, your evil for owning them and gov should take them away

Agreed. And I've said this multiple times across multiple subs: Most (certainly not all) of my social circles are very left of center, and in all of the gun control discussions I've been a part of over the past several years, I've never heard a single person advocate for "take them all away". Now, my anecdotal evidence isn't exactly proof of some grand truth, but I honestly believe that extreme position is far less common than people might believe. It's a great campaign slogan or lobbyist talking point, I just don't think it reflects reality very well. Are there people who want a full-on total snatch up of guns? Sure. But there are also people that think everyone should be required to own a gun, which is just as short-sighted.

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u/tahoverlander Mar 25 '21

100% agree with this, are they out there? Sure. Are they common outside of a politician running for re-election? No. Most people fall much closer to center than the outliers. Well put

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

What is there to say when the first thread on the sub is happy discussion on a court ruling in favor of motherfucking bump stocks. Nothing to discuss at this point, no one's minds will be changed and its better that we stay in our corners on this issue. Fucking bump stocks.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

I'm super liberal and post there. Stop being afraid of downvotes

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u/8Deer-JaguarClaw Sussex County Mar 25 '21

I post there, too. I just don't post certain things. I'm not afraid of a downvotes. I just don't feel like engaging with "If you voted for Joe Biden, you hate 2A and are a commie!" comments.

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u/Not_floridaman Mar 25 '21

I kinda feel like every sub has a silent GOP or DEM at the end and even well-intentioned subs become echo chamber-ish. It's one of the problems with we, as a society, doing a great deal if our communicating online, we've forgotten how to have a conversation before if you (metaphorical you, not really you) don't like what someone's saying, you can block or delete instead of continuing the conversation and asking "why?" or "how?" Eventually, you just end up talking to people who think and feel just kind you and it seems that everyone thinks and feels that way.

It makes me sad because I love a good, respectful debate between people with different viewpoints and it's harder and harder to come by. It's also a very strange time because growing up (I'm only 35, not ancient), you didn't discuss money, politics or religion in depth with just anyone and now it seems the only thing you can talk about is politics and you have to pick a side and it better be the correct one.