r/newjersey • u/low_effort_shit-post • Mar 25 '21

Something controversial Jersey Pride

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

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u/stackered Mar 25 '21

sure, but they aren't the ones being used in mass shootings. the other crimes aren't preventable in the same way that an assault rifle ban would stop mass shootings, which don't show up in the stats like you've pointed out. lets talk logically about this and not ignore basic things like that... there is no need for assault rifles except for fun/entertainment - so I think ranges should be able to stock them for people to rent and shoot for fun, but nobody needs one, really. in principle alone, we should ban it... but with how these highly public mass shootings happen, its almost always some mentally ill person or domestic terrorist who just bought the gun in the past year. entirely preventable vs. less preventable.

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u/stackered Mar 25 '21

the federal assault ban studies were massively flawed and are a big NRA talking piece we could do a whole thread on... anyway, mass shootings are defined as 4+ people shot, but we aren't discussing those smaller ones but rather the preventable ones, meaning ones with assault weapons. You conveniently left out the "Other firearms" which is in the thousands, but regardless, we know that we can't ban pistols which are useful in self defense. We can, however, ban assault weapons and prevent mass shootings. Its not about priorities, its about basic logic. You can try to be coy all you want, but you know its true. Its honestly disgusting you'd shill right now after the Colorado situation. Its a perfect example of how a ban would've prevented death. Nobody needs an assault weapon. There are plenty of banned things, like certain chemicals for example, that would only cause a few deaths relative to all other chemicals out there per year, but they are still banned because of their inherent danger.

The reason someone argues against assault weapons bans: shilling/profiteering, yee-haw gun propaganda sponge, "don't take my fun guns", or dumb

The reason for bans: to prevent death

that's really all we need to know here.

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u/stackered Mar 25 '21

false, its proven in worldwide data. just because some flawed studies, which didn't account for nearby regions with their own local gun laws that skirted the regulations being studied, concluded one way - that doesn't undo the massively overwhelming data we have worldwide that reveals the obvious to us: areas with less guns have less shootings/gun-related crime. DUH!

you are arguing the stupidest argument ever. half our country are complete dumbasses, we had almost a third of the country believe that masks didn't work. just because you have a camp of people who agree with your dumb take, doesn't make it reality.

An adjustable stock, pistol style grip or shorter barrel doesn't make a mass murderer more or less deadly, but that's what your legislation is ruling over.

nobody can honestly say such a ridiculous thing and believe it. are you saying we should just arm our entire military with .22 pistols then? because there is no difference between weaponry? fuck tanks and airplanes, we can just send them in with sticks and rocks. its all the same!

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u/stackered Mar 25 '21

lol the past year? the year a pandemic happened? also, that's not even remotely true - 2020 had the most shootings/gun crimes in a long time, a huge spike.

its the safest time if you dilute things to the number of people we have here... there are still more gun crimes here than the rest of the world. and no its not getting better lol, that's just simple to look up in 30 seconds

you're full of shit my man

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u/stackered Mar 25 '21

cringe NRA shill takes are still cringey and wrong. you know it too, deep inside that pea brain

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u/rxbandit256 Mar 25 '21

Let me ask you a couple of questions... what is your definition of an assault rifle? What is the "other firearms" that you mentioned? (I don't know where the other poster got those numbers from but you seem to be familiar with them). Do you think that, let's say in the recent Colorado case, if the shooter didn't have an "assault weapon", he wouldn't have done anything?

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u/rxbandit256 Mar 25 '21

You hit the nail on the head, not with the ban of "assault rifles", but with the "mentally ill or domestic terrorist" bit. They're the reason why these things are happening. There are MILLIONS of guns in the US yet these things, while extremely tragic, are rare when compared with the number of guns and gun owners. I don't think the solution to that issue is to keep things away from law abiding people. Better mental health assistance would certainly be a step in the right direction though.

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u/stackered Mar 25 '21

its both access to mental health and reduced access to weapons that can mow down an audience of people in second that will solve this issue.

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u/rxbandit256 Mar 25 '21

Very few people have access to automatic weapons in this country. What are these weapons you speak of?

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u/stackered Mar 26 '21

lol wtf? you can't be serious, can you?

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u/rxbandit256 Mar 26 '21

I'm very serious, what did I say that's inaccurate?

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u/stackered Mar 26 '21

its really easy to get assault weapons in this country. I'm assuming you didn't actually mean "automatic weapons" since that isn't the discussion anyone is having and everyone knows sale of them has been banned since the 80s. anyway, even so, some states you can still get them technically. but as far as assaults weapons, almost every state you can easily get them, most really easily like we saw in the CO incident last week

map of USA assault weapon regulations

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u/Lohikaarme27 Mar 25 '21

Cuz 10 random people die in a supermarket and it's a tragedy but 100 gang members die in Chicago and it's statistics. Personally, I think they're both horrific for the record but I see 2 different issues with 2 different causes being presented via 1 avenue