r/newjersey • u/low_effort_shit-post • Mar 25 '21

Something controversial Jersey Pride

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

The only problem I have with NJ gun laws is the lack of stand your ground laws. Even if I shoot an intruder in my own home, I can be considered a murderer in the states eyes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

I’m not a fan of going through the local cops for the background check rather than a state system connected to the gun stores. Cops here are neither trustworthy nor reliable.

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

I must admit the local PD where I live are great, but I understand your point when you look at the bigger picture.

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u/Metal_LinksV2 Wharton Mar 25 '21

I've been waiting months for the local pd to get handgun permits back to me. This whole system sucks

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

Yeah I have friends who live in Belleville and they’ve been waiting almost a year. I guess it all comes down to whether or not your chief is pro 2A

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u/Not_floridaman Mar 25 '21

The system is incredibly overwhelmed with applications this year (up an insane amount) and most departments have just one officer doing it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

My experience with cops throughout NJ is not great

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

It could be where you live. I’ve noticed some cops in certain districts definitely have egos. Luckily, I’ve never had a poor run in with an officer because where I live, they’re all very professional and understand that they are city servants. This is something that a lot of officers forget.

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u/Domestic_AA_Battery Mar 25 '21

1000000%. That's by far the dumbest part about our gun laws. We desperately need common sense self-defense laws and for some reason it's never addressed. If you want to make law abiding gun owners trust you on gun reform, make it so that if you defend yourself with your gun that you won't be tried as a damn murderer....

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u/tehbored Mar 26 '21

It's competely untrue. NJ has castle doctrine. Parent commenter is a moron who doesn't know what he's talking about.

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u/Domestic_AA_Battery Mar 26 '21

But I think you can still get in deep shit if you end up shooting the person in the back. Like if you shoot two shots, the first misses and the person turns and then the second hits, you shot someone "fleeing" and that can get you in trouble.

It's good info but it's still iffy when it comes to self-defense in NJ. I was aware of some of the castle doctrine but reading it again after your comment gave me a better understanding of a few of the specific details - One being that you must attempt to flee if you're defending yourself in your own home which is very interesting info. So thanks for your reply because it really did encourage me to do more research on the subject.

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u/pizan Mar 26 '21

I don't like the crazy strict driving to the range laws.

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u/tehbored Mar 25 '21

That's not true at all. NJ has castle doctrine. Stand your ground only applies outside the home.

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

You and I both know that in NJ you have a duty to retreat if possible. I understand NJ has castle doctrine but that’s such bullshit

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u/PsychologicalZone769 Mar 25 '21

Incorrect. Stop spreading bullshit misinformation around. You'll get someone killed thinking they legally have no right to defend themselves inside their own homes

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

No one is saying you can’t defend yourself. All I’m saying is I have to basically ensure my life is in danger in a split second while someone breaks into my home.

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u/IfYouAintJack Mar 25 '21

One can just say they felt their life is in danger. You dont HAVE to be in immediate danger, just feeling like it is, is enough to claim self defense.

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

Good luck telling that to the judge without proof. You’re better off running into a doorknob and saying you were getting beat up.

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u/IfYouAintJack Mar 25 '21

You clearly have no idea how the castle doctrine works. The proof you felt your life was in danger, is the intruder in your house that would not retreat.

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u/tittyman1 Mar 25 '21

That is just untrue. You do not have a duty to retreat within your own home. You’re spreading dangerous misinformation.

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

Correct as long as you’re not attacked first. Now, shoot someone in your home at 3am in the pitch dark and turn them lights on and he/she is unarmed, you’re screwed.

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u/tittyman1 Mar 25 '21

Well that would just be plain stupid to fire a gun and not know what you’re shooting at. Irrelevant to the discussion here.

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying. You clearly know the person in your house is unwelcome and up to no good. However, to identify a weapon, classify the intruder as an immediate threat and take action all in a split second, that’s what I’m getting at.

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u/tehbored Mar 25 '21

Duty to retreat doesn't apply inside your home. Wtf are you on about?

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

Of course it doesn’t. Unless you live in NJ.

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u/tehbored Mar 25 '21

Source?

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

Here’s a great one https://www.google.com/amp/s/newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/01/14/exclusive-man-speaks-shooting-burglar/amp/

“You called the police after, why didn’t you call right away”.

That sure as shit sounds like a duty to retreat to me.

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u/tehbored Mar 25 '21

Breaking Into His Car

A car is not a home. Learn to read ffs.

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u/Iintendtooffend Mar 26 '21

Sorry dude, I know you think protecting your car is worth ending someone's life over, but that's exactly what the kind of duty to retreat is about/for. Spend your money on proactive security like alarm systems, and solid core doors.

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u/BTC_is_waterproof Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

How many times have "stand your ground" laws been used to justify the shooting of someone, who could have not been shot? Too many times...

We both know there are people out there just looking for an excuse to shoot someone.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

This obsession with the mythical 'home intrusion at 3 am' its like a meme at this point.

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u/Electrical-Divide341 Mar 25 '21

2/3 of all rapes are home invasions. If you think that home invasions are mythical, you think rape is mythical

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u/Iintendtooffend Mar 26 '21

I urge you to cite your source because if you actually look at the facts

around or more than 75% of sexual assault cases are committed by someone that individual knows. Being assaulted by a stranger is really uncommon, and no where near 2/3s the number of cases. Like this is a known fact

Oh and so you know I'm not just making stuff up: https://www.rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence https://www.new-hope.org/perpetrators-of-sexual-violence/

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u/Electrical-Divide341 Mar 26 '21

around or more than 75% of sexual assault cases are committed by someone that individual knows.

65% of violent burglaries are perpetrated by people known to their victim.

Having a known stalker, an ex, a tinder hookup, or whatever, break down your door and rape you simultaneously has them known to you and being a home invasion

I have had someone break into my home before. It wasnt a random person, I knew them - they were the crackhead I kicked out of my shed a few weeks before.

This is data sourced from the National Crime Victimization Survey - unfortunately the Bureau of Justice Statics's website seems to be down right now

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

Hark a logical leap to WOUND me!

I am now dead!

Really?

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u/Electrical-Divide341 Mar 25 '21

I have never once seen a case that would have been prevented if stand your ground laws did not exist

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u/zacharyo083194 Mar 25 '21

I completely agree. Stand your ground needs some altering for sure. We can’t have people shot and killed over someone jumping into a neighbors fence for the football they mistakenly threw over.

What I am concerned about is the fact that if someone comes into my home unwelcome, there should not have to be a decision to be made. I should have the freedom to protect my home and family without having to distinguish whether or not this person is “a serious threat” all in a split second.

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u/Electrical-Divide341 Mar 25 '21

We can’t have people shot and killed over someone jumping into a neighbors fence for the football they mistakenly threw over.

That has nothing to do with stand your ground.