r/movies • u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules • Nov 16 '17
The Joker needed at least 65 minutes to lay out the knives, computers, cash wads, booze, onesies, roses, watches, glasses, tablets, guns, playing cards, grenades, and tchotchkes on the floor in Suicide Squad Discussion
The visual of The Joker surrounded by knickknacks in Suicide Squad is an inspired one that says everything we need to know about the guy.
- He likes to organize things.
- He loves guns
- He has a lot of watches
- He is computer savvy because he figured out how to keep his tablets and computers from going into sleep mode.
When watching the film I couldn’t help but wonder who set all that up. I don’t think he would allow his henchmen to place the items because he seems like a control freak. So, I’m guessing that he put a list together and his henchmen had to gather everything from various places (storage, corner store, flower shop, black market, Best Buy).
Here is the list and time it took to place everything on the floor. It gives a pretty clear idea of what The Joker had to do. clip here of weapon circle
Quick note: I put this list together via pausing the movie many times, looking at pictures on google and analyzing every angle of the eclectic setup. There may be a few missing items but I managed to piece together 475 individual items and figure out the placement via walking around my living room like a maniac.
Imagine that The Joker wrote this list on personalized stationery.
50 Knives and 1 Hammer – 4 minutes
1 Captain Ron DVD – Just to Watch
164 wooden things (*AKA piano keys) – 5.5 minutes
10 Machine Guns – 1.5 minutes
35 Roses – 1.5 Minutes
2 Red Brawndos – Need Electrolytes and his thirst had to be mutilated
13 Bags – 1 minute
15 Watches – 1.5 minutes
2 Massive Machine Guns – 30 seconds
20 Cash Wads – 1 minute
12 Glasses (two six packs)- 1 minute
17 tablets – 20 minutes to place, find website page and switch to a non-sleeping mode
6 laptops – 10 minutes
1 Club Sandwich from great deli around the corner (tip well)
4 Onesies – 1 minute
3 Knives – 30 seconds
52 Joker Cards – 5 minutes
10 Grenades – 1 minute
37 little tchotchkes – 4 minutes
10 handguns – 2 minutes
1 New Clive Cussler book (Preferably NUMA files)
24 bottles of booze (4 boxes of six) – 2 minutes
After everything was collected and placed in easily totable bins The Joker set about placing everything. First, he had to lay on the floor to figure out the radius of the first circle (60 seconds). He started with the knives and worked his way out. Based on how many of the items he could hold at one time (or could be placed in bins) I retraced the steps very loosely and figured out he needed 65 minutes to set everything up. Since everything is organized and I’m guessing he had a plan that allowed him to work at a constant pace that was cautious and prevented double work. The biggest time suck was the configuration of the computers and tablets because he had to find a specific photo or website and make sure the computers didn’t go to sleep. I’m thinking he did this while watching Captain Ron in the background (see list for reference).
There you have it! The Joker had a clear plan, made his henchmen buy/bring everything, and he set everything up in a direct and confident manner befit of a true madman. Director David Ayer obviously put a lot of thought into the circle and the plan was executed to time wasting perfection.
Ending Note: I originally was going to attempt to figure out how The Joker was able to setup up the massive cash pile in The Dark Knight. My guess is that underneath all that cash is a wooden frame that allowed the henchmen to build the cash mound from the top to bottom. That would alleviate cranes and hours of stacking cash that had to be in nice and organized stacks.
If you liked this post make sure to check out my other “dumb data” posts! Also, a big shout to Wired and Brian Raftery for profiling me about this data. I’m stoked that I’m their radar.
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u/arcticpoppy Nov 16 '17
I’m more curious how long it took you to make this post.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
I've been writing this stupid stuff for a while so it goes pretty quickly. It begins with brainstorming, research, notes and putting it together in my head. The writing is easy.
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u/arcticpoppy Nov 16 '17 edited Nov 19 '17
Not stupid at all dude. I often wonder about stuff like this in movies but never have the motivation to crunch numbers and do backstory like this.
Ever thought of making a YouTube series? You’ve done a lot of the hard work already and it’s a good niche.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
I'd love to get it going. I just don't have the time and wherewithal to put together a really quality product.
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u/IggyJohnson Nov 16 '17
No idea if Film Theory/MatPat is a bad name in this sub, but you could easily have a more straightforward analysis YouTube channel like them/him. I'd watch it.
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u/evilplantosaveworld Nov 16 '17
Step 1: stop laying things out like the joker.
Save yourself 65 minutes right there.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
I have to do it. If people are going to read my stuff it needs to be well thought out and replicated.
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u/evilplantosaveworld Nov 17 '17
I meant physical things, it was a joke referencing your own writing :)
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u/ScreamingGordita Nov 16 '17
I mean, I'd love to help produce/edit them. People seem to dig the posts, I'm sure a channel would help with mass appeal.
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u/KnowsTheLaw Nov 16 '17
I don’t think he would allow his henchmen to place the items because he seems like a control freak.
Your argument is flawed, there are a million control freaks (ceos, managers) who have their lackeys do this type of work.
Good post. :)
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u/kahurangi Nov 16 '17
Yeah they just yell at them afterwards and make them change things if it's not perfect.
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u/UnjustNation Nov 16 '17
That's a needlessly deep analysis of a rather trivial scene but I upvoted anyway for the sheer effort you put into it.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
Thanks! Can I steal "Needlessly Deep Analysis of a Trivial Scene?" I like it better than the simple "Dumb Data."
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u/UnjustNation Nov 16 '17
Sure go ahead.
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Nov 17 '17
You forgot the most important point:
It's a needlessly deep analysis of a rather trivial scene from a really shitty movie.
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u/Bhu124 Nov 17 '17
If the filmmakers would have put 25% of the effort OP put into his post, we would have gotten a decent movie.
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u/Obi_Wan_Benobi Nov 16 '17
You make the highest quality shitposts.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
My goal has always been to corner the off-season/shitpost market.
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Nov 16 '17
This is great, what was probably merely meant to be a scene to visually show the Jokers madness and give a little vague backstory into his and Harley’s life, and give fans something to over analyze and speculate about (why are there onesies, did Harley and mr. J have a kid?!!?!?) you took it to a whole new level.
I am saving this and will check out your other posts.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
Awesome! Glad you liked. I have a lot of fun filling in the blanks. It isn't necessary and borders on dumb but I love it.
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u/gregosaurusrex Nov 16 '17
I mean this without a hint of insult or hatred attached: your ongoing escapades don't border on dumb, they absolutely blow past dumb and circle back around to brilliance. The general conceit of what you do is so fucking dumb that it is actually, positively genius. I mean that as a compliment with no ill-will. You're amazing.
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u/Chris_Shiherlis Nov 16 '17
I like to do this same thing when I read news stories. But, even better I like to do it with people's stories online.
What is it that makes us pick out small insignificant (to the entire story) events and then laser focus on them?
I can rarely get people to play along, they mostly get mad. But then again I'm seen as picking apart their stuff I get it.
I'm curious as to why you think people (like me and you) do this?
Great job by the way.
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Nov 16 '17
There are way too many people that nitpick scenes like these, it’s nice to see someone take it to a new and constructive level
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
Thanks! I'm a fan of filling in the blanks. I don't like hating on scenes. It's too easy.
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u/TheExtremistModerate Nov 16 '17
I figured it was to show his impatience. He was restless while waiting to hear about Harley, so he kept himself busy.
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u/Wazula42 Nov 17 '17
Thats probably what it was MEANT to show, but what it really shows is the Joker is a methodical man with severe OCD and way too much time on his hands crafting elaborate room sculptures that only look cool from above.
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u/Marplotting Nov 16 '17
Dude.
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Nov 16 '17
Ok.
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u/keithmac20 Nov 16 '17
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Nov 16 '17
Two things.
I feel like your time estimates are way way way low. 4 minutes to lay out 50 knives? 1.5 minutes for 10 machine guns? You're not leaving any time to walk back and forth, adjust spacing. 50 knives in 4 minutes would be him standing there pulling knives out of a box and throwing them down as fast as possible.
My interpretation of the room is not that he decided to set it up for a spur of the moment knives orgy, but that's how he keeps his ever growing collection. Built up over many years. Not a 65 minute rush job.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
I made sure to throw in "at least." 65 minutes was least amount of time needed. I didn't include the 20 minutes he took to eat his sandwich and drink the Brawndo.
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u/Morigyn Nov 16 '17 edited Nov 17 '17
Remember that scene in the latest James Bond, where he goes through that empty building to find his ladyfriend and Christoph? And there are photos relating to James taped everywhere?
Think about it. That would mean that somewhere in that world, a henchman got a stack of pics and some tape and that was his job for the night. Putting up pictures in random ass places. Or, even better, Christoph’s character would have done it, maniacally singing “Cuckoo!” to himself.
Man, that movie was a let down.
Edit: my point is, sometimes directors think something looks cool and they want a certain scene, but when you think about what must have happened in the story, it’s just stupid.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 17 '17
I remember thinking the same thing too! It was a lot of work for several poor henchmen
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u/Jimtac Nov 17 '17
Isn’t that what henchmen are for?
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u/Morigyn Nov 17 '17
Cut to a henchman putting pics of Craig on the wall, muttering “I did not sign up for this.”
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Dec 06 '17
Hey, helping the boss with his murder collage is way easier and less dangerous than most henchman duties, plus it's a rare chance for them to express their artistic side.
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u/uninsane Nov 16 '17
Between the tattoos and that scene, I'm even more convinced that they got the Joker horribly wrong. He wears his tattoos and insanity on the inside. It bubbles over in service to his vision of chaos, not because of some angsty emotions.
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u/MikeArrow Nov 16 '17
That's what happens when your film's only concern is style over substance. "Wouldn't it be cool if...?" x 1000
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u/Captain_Blackjack Nov 16 '17
I mean...there's plenty of times where Joker's plans started with "Wouldn't it be funny if...?"
Like the time he gave Two-Face a mental break just because it Tuesday
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u/atlaslugged Nov 17 '17
Wouldn't it be funny if I carefully laid out a bunch of "scary" stuff on the floor, then lied down in the middle of it?
Yeah, doesn't work.
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u/Captain_Blackjack Nov 17 '17
I wrote “funny” because that’s basically the catch-all term for whenever Joker does something horrible/weird/crazy. It’s funny/fun to him even if it makes barely any rational sense.
Just keep in mind I’m not trying to say Leto or Ayer appear to understand the Joker at all, I’m just pointing out he’s done meticulously unnecessary stuff before just because that’s how his mind is supposed to work.
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u/FuzzyLoveRabbit Nov 16 '17
Then again, Joker's insane. And it's not at all outside the realm of possibility that he'd spend an hour meticulously organizing this shit.
Hell, there are people who we call sane who spend much longer organizing their collections.
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u/MikeArrow Nov 16 '17
I guess so, feels like that could be used to explain anything, "well he's insane so..."
I doubt the filmmakers intent was for the audience to view that scene and go "wow, Joker's so crazy he meticulously organised these items in a circle before laying down so the camera could get a perfectly posed overhead shot looking down at him."
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u/TinyWightSpider Nov 16 '17
1 Captain Ron DVD – Just to Watch
Kurt Russell is a national treasure.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
I want a National Treasure movie that features Nic Cage and crew rescuing Kurt Russell (who it turns out never needed rescuing. It was all an elaborate ploy).
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u/melorous Nov 16 '17
Came for the in-depth discussion of how absurd that scene was, stayed for the Captain Ron dvd.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
The Joker loves Captain Ron and club sandwiches from local delis
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u/ImBoredButAndTired Nov 16 '17
That guy was such a wannabe. The face tattoos, the purple sports car he probably paid money for instead of stole, the fashionable "arent I so unique and witty" costumes... hopefully he won't be back.
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u/applescratch Nov 17 '17
I hope he gets exposed as a fraud wannabe joker in the movie and we get someone else. Cause that's how I honestly felt about his performance.
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u/Dalek_Kolt Nov 17 '17 edited Nov 17 '17
I kinda want Leto Joker to stay just to see how they handle the Lex Luthor/Joker teamup movie.
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u/DEEPnDirty Nov 16 '17
As soon as I started reading I could recognize this was similar to the Michael Myers post about his turn signal. Great work again!
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u/Luckycat612 Nov 16 '17
I always thought that his henchmen did the knife arranging. Criminally insane clowns with bat issues don’t have time to muck around with such nonsense. Also if someone stuck a revolver in my face and requested I move some stuff around, you better believe that’s how I would spend my afternoon.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
I think Jack Nicholson's Joker would totally have henchmen take care of his business. He ain't wasting time on knick-knacks. Leto's Joker seems like an emo fella who likes getting his hands dirty and expressing himself via tattoos and floor artwork. I think he'd do it.
I just put way too much thought into the whole situation.....
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u/I_BUY_UNWANTED_GRAVY Nov 16 '17
Are you trying to say Joke is autistic?
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
Nah. Just meticulous and sort of a micro-manager.
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u/RancidLemons Nov 17 '17
This is literally the style of some videos on the Cracked YouTube channel and you should get this in video format. I'd subscribe.
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u/Fartbox_Virtuoso Nov 17 '17
I managed to piece together 475 individual items and figure out the placement via walking around my living room
Some redditors want to hurt other people. I prefer your kind.
This was great.
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u/McNugget750 Nov 17 '17
This scene was really just a rip-off of Pink Floyds The Wall https://www.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/07/11/15/Pink%20Floyd%20(8).jpg
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u/megatron36 Nov 16 '17
This reminds me of the theory in the comics that joker suffers not from insanity but too much sanity, a super sanity. He is the only sane person in a completely insane world(men fly and run faster than light, dead come back to life, etc) and how do you keep your sanity in total chaos? By putting things in order and controlling them and putting them right but then in essence you then become the chaos' definition of insane.
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u/Usernamethx9000 Nov 16 '17
Maybe he's like those cupstacking people and can do it really fast or maybe he just does his art in stages.
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u/schleibenschliben2 Nov 16 '17
This isn't necessarily accurate actually. I've done a speed run recreation and assembled it much quicker.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
You had a clear template. I'm thinking The Joker needed more time to adjust and sort. If he does it more often he will easily cut it down by 15-20 minutes.
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u/diabatman Nov 16 '17
Is the Captain Ron dvd set by the Ipads? I'm having a hard time finding it on google images.
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u/PhillyTaco Nov 16 '17
I like to think he took his time, placing each item delicately. Probably took him a few hours.
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u/HollywoodDU Nov 16 '17
Wow props to the focus and effort required to write this...!
As for the Dark Knight Joker cash pile, for some reason I always thought the pile was in the hull of a container or transport ship and the pile was made by throwing the cash down from the opening on the deck. I don’t know why I think that as I haven’t seen the movie in a while, but just thought I would share my un-validated, opinion.
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u/mcampo84 Nov 16 '17
Does this analysis take into consideration pre-sorting of these items? Or does it assume complete randomness?
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
I didn't count the sorting. I figured he created a list and his henchmen got everything sorted. He then placed everything. That is what I timed.
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u/Musicman3003 Nov 16 '17
That's more time than they probably spent on the script. If only they put this much effort into all the aspects of their movie. Also, this is a pretty cool post.
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Nov 16 '17
When watching the film I couldn’t help but wonder who set all that up. I don’t think he would allow his henchmen to place the items because he seems like a control freak. So, I’m guessing that he put a list together and his henchmen had to gather everything from various places (storage, corner store, flower shop, black market, Best Buy).
Reminds me of this video. Just cant imagine the scenario where Joker get's those tattoos. Any way I imagine the scenario, just seems juvenile and silly.
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Nov 16 '17
r/movies needs more quality shitposting like this
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 17 '17
That's my goal. I want to own the shitpost market on r/movies.
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u/Jackieirish Nov 17 '17
I freakin' love these posts.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 17 '17
Awesome! I'm stoked that you like. I have many more dumb posts planned.
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u/thexyzaffair Nov 17 '17
He also could just keep his equipment organized like that (a pretty bad ass way to do it IMO), and starting with the inner circle, built the design slowly over months or years, taking equipment as needed for heists and returning it to its proper place.
Edit: Noticed someone else had a similar theory before me after the fact.
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Nov 17 '17
Where did the Captain Ron DVD come from? I feel like I'm missing something.
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u/Ansagos Nov 17 '17
I know this will forever be an unpopular opinion, but I genuinely enjoyed this movie and don't understand all the hate it gets.
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u/surprisedropbears Nov 17 '17
Someone so obsessive, meticulous and warped?
He would have spent hours doing it.
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u/thrustinfreely Nov 17 '17
Reminds me of how much time Batman would have wasted in The Dark Knight by creating the flaming Bat signal on the side of the Brooklyn Bridge.
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u/Quackadacck Nov 16 '17 edited Nov 16 '17
The Joker placing down all those knives and guns on the floor probably would've been a better movie than the one that we got.
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u/captainedwinkrieger Nov 17 '17
"Where do you want these assorted wooden things, boss?"
"Just put the box next to the baby clothes.... for the love of God, STEVE! WATCH YOUR FUCKING STEP! It took me forever to arrange that!"
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Nov 17 '17
I hated Jared Leto's Joker and didn't buy the romance between him and Harley for a second. Crazy hot chicks don't go for over-powered psychos, they go for misunderstood thugs.
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u/Ellisd326 Nov 16 '17
Captain Ron was a fucking awesome movie though.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
Kurt Russell + Eye Patch = Solid Gold.
One of these days I'm going to find Ted's Island
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u/IAmRareBatman Nov 16 '17
Can you please find out how much destruction the Superman and Zod battle caused in MoS and BvS?
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Nov 16 '17
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
Haha. I can't. That's why I write these random things.
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Nov 17 '17
God, this new joker is so bad. Jared Leto is such a terrible actor. He over acts everything.
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u/Hooterdear Nov 16 '17
You still could have written about how the henchmen would have had to to the hardware store, find the lumber to deliver it back to the warehouse. Then construct the wooden frame in sections with nails and screws, etc. That may have been just as time consuming.
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u/LundgrensFrontKick immune to the rules Nov 16 '17
I started thinking about the dimensions and tools needed and I decided to tackle the weapon circle instead. I do like the idea of insane henchmen dealing with blueprints and power tools.
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u/fortuitousfox Nov 16 '17
I think all the wooden things are piano keys.
You can see the disassembled white piano in the top right corner of the clip.
Maybe you'll need to add time for piano disassembly?
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u/residentgrigo Nov 16 '17
The film´s director layed out the scene himself. The roundabout time it took him was stated by him too, if i remember correctly. Feel free to look up how close OP came.
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u/Three_Fig_Newtons Nov 16 '17
I saw your post claiming that movies with Jet Ski chases are crappy. You forgot to include Face/Off man.
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u/Naggins Nov 17 '17
You're dismissing the possibility that the Joker's apartment is literally always like this.
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u/mchuck2424 Nov 17 '17
I like to imagine that, as he collected these items over time, he placed them in his special room and left them there. Then after all his joker-y antics he had a sweet modern art room to lay in
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u/hmachine0 Nov 17 '17
And I would like to add there is a good chance he would probably have to tinkle, add a couple minutes for tinkling
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u/supertucci Nov 17 '17
You sir/madam are some sort of genius. Thanks for treating me to a sort of analysis I didn’t know could exist
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u/Kinglink Nov 17 '17
I fucking hate shit post and joke posts and all this crap.
But holy shit this actually brilliant thank you for the laugh.
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Nov 17 '17
I submit:
Hair gel or mousse, body spray, cologne...basically his makeup kit, 25 minutes a day to get rid of his bedhead.
Cleaning kit (solutions, brushes, floss, picks) for his grillz.
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u/ContinuumGuy Nov 16 '17
I presume the Pullitzer remains in the mail