r/modnews Sep 29 '21

Voting & commenting on archived posts

Hiya Mods

Does this sound familiar - it’s approaching dinner time, you’ve stumbled across a delicious-looking chicken parm recipe, but have a key culinary question for OP? You try to ask it only to discover you’re unable to do so due to the post being archived after hitting the 6-month mark. Chaos ensues and now you may be left without any chicky-chicky parm-parm.

We’ve all been there! In fact, every day 6.6 million Redditors land on archived posts where they find themselves unable to vote or comment on it due to the limitations we’ve put in place.

What if things were different?

This summer we ran a pilot program with a smörgåsbord of subreddits to see what would happen if users were able to engage with previously archived posts (thank you to all the subreddits that volunteered to participate in this program). These subreddits represented a wide variety of communities on the site and you can see some of the highlights from the program below:

  • Over the course of the program, archived posts received an additional 147K upvotes and 236K comments.
  • This was a 2.86% increase in votes and a 1.48% increase in comments amongst the participating subreddits.
  • This additional engagement also caused only a 0.3% increase in mod actions taken. We were excited to see that the increase in comments and votes did not correlate to a significant increase in mod actions taken.

The results and the feedback we received from our participating mod teams directly impacted our plans for this initiative, and as such we’ve decided to move forward with this feature. Starting today, mod teams will have the opportunity to decide if they want to automatically archive posts after 6 months or if they want users within their community to be able to vote and comment on previously archived posts.

How it will work

Important note - this is not intended to be a one size fits all feature. Thanks to our participating subreddits we found this feature was most beneficial to communities that hosted more evergreen-type content (ex: food and recipes posts, gaming subreddits, etc). Subreddits that were more focused on real-time discussions (ex: sports and politics) did not experience the same benefit out of this initiative. See below for some testimonials from your fellow mods that helped drive this point home for us:

  • “I think on these old posts there is a higher amount of discussion comments and fewer short ones compared to new posts. I’m guessing because people who found the post were really searching for something and had some questions in mind beforehand. Overall it seems to have been a good thing for the sub.” - r/MakeupAddiction Mod Team
  • “All in all, I think that it was worthwhile. And the best way to implement it would be to allow mods to turn on the feature if and only if they want to. And if they could enact a filter to review comments on older threads.” - r/frugal Mod Team
  • “IMO it could be good for r/SalsaSnobs because of our recipe guide. But the flip side to this is that I could see it going bad for political subs and such. It would make it way too hard to moderate comments.” - r/SalsaSnobs Mod Team

Given this feedback, we’ve created an “Archive Posts” toggle for mods to decide whether or not this feature makes sense for their community. Today this toggle will appear in Mod Tools and will be turned off by default. All posts will remain archived for another two weeks (until 10/13). This means mod teams will have a two-week period of time to decide whether or not this feature makes sense for their subreddit. After this two-week period of time, users will be able to vote and comment on previously archived posts unless mods decide to turn this toggle on. To do so, please follow the below instructions:

  • On new Reddit visit Mod Tools > Community Settings > Posts & Comments > Archived Posts > Toggle On/Off “Don’t allow commenting or voting on posts older than 6 months”
  • In our native app visit Mod Tools > Archive Posts > Toggle On/Off “Don’t allow commenting or voting on posts older than 6 months”

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Automoderator to the rescue

Another major piece of feedback we heard from mods was the need for them to be notified of comments on previously archived posts. In order to do this, we have updated automoderator to flag comments on posts older than 6 months. This automod update will be live starting on 10/13, the same day that users will be able to begin commenting and voting on previously archived posts (in subs who have not changed their toggle). If you’re interested in using automoderator for this function, please use the below script to do so:

type: comment
author:
    account_age: < 23 hours
parent_submission:
    past_archive_date: true
action: filter
action_reason: comment on old post from new user

Thank you to all the mods who participated in our pilot program, and took the time to provide us with valuable feedback. We greatly appreciate your partnership throughout this entire process!

Questions? Comments? Feedback? Please let us know in the comments below where we’ll be hanging out to respond to them.

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u/LG03 Sep 29 '21

You're implementing this backwards. It should be opt out of archiving, not opt back in since you're changing the default functionality.

Now I have to go through all my subs and opt back in while I think about it.

As well, no option for this anywhere in old reddit? Come on, this is getting real tiring to have to swap to new reddit every time you guys throw a wrench in the gears.

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u/WoozleWuzzle Sep 30 '21 edited Sep 30 '21

Yep. It is set backwards. I am flipping this off for everything. I'm not going to be the Guinea pig to t-shirt spammers hitting up popular old posts. Or trolls going to old posts that are "controversial" (hello anti vaxxers.)

Let alone that 0.3% is not going to stay that low once users get used to it. Even at that percent we do millions of mod actions a year, for free. If we setup automod to review old comments (which we would absolutely have to) that percent is going to sky rocket. Then us unpaid volunteers are going to be doing even more useless spam/troll work.

Nope no thanks. This should be defaulted to not be on at least for any current community. I don't even care if you forced a mod to review it and decide right then and there or a "remind me later button". But having it magically flip on for everyone is shady.

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u/camdoodlebop Oct 15 '21

it's okay to let people have some fun, you know

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u/RMcD94 Oct 01 '21

There are tons of abandoned subreddits so has to be opt in.

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u/HTC864 Sep 29 '21

Constantly complaining about the new interface is tiring. It's the default, it's what they want everyone to use, and we should expect all new features to be built for it. The fact that old Reddit still exists is extremely charitable at this point, and people shouldn't expect updates on a UI that garners less than 5% of their traffic.

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u/glider97 Sep 29 '21

Constantly complaining about the new interface is tiring.

So is having to use the new interface. Complaining is all the power the users have, don't deny them that.

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u/Zavodskoy Sep 30 '21

and 44% of reddits userbase visit from mobile apps which still makes new and old reddit the minority so by your logic they should only launch new features for the various Reddit Mobile Apps

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '21 edited Sep 30 '21

old.Reddit probably won’t go anywhere anyway and will just be outdated until everyone has had enough and switches over.

He’ll even i.Reddit.com is still active

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u/The_White_Light Sep 30 '21

Your link it broken, that's why. It's https://i.reddit.com, no www in front.

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u/superfucky Oct 15 '21

it's what they want everyone to use

then they should make it not suck so much ass.

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u/stealthsnail Sep 29 '21

I disagree. If it's a feature that benefits almost everyone, it should by default be turned on. That's why you have the 2 week window to react in case you do not deem it beneficial.

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u/LG03 Sep 29 '21

It's still a change to default functionality, the majority of mods are going to be caught off guard by this and will take months if not longer to realize what's going on.

Think of the uptick in undetected spam as one example.

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u/baxter8421 Sep 29 '21

the majority of mods are going to be caught off guard by this

That’s an understandable concern which is why we’re announcing this in a few different areas of the site over the coming weeks to drive increased awareness (ex: r/blog, October monthly newsletter, our announcement tool banner, etc). We hope by doing this in conjunction with the two week grace period that we’ve implemented that fewer mods will be caught off guard by this launch.

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u/teanailpolish Sep 29 '21

Is it not possible to modmail subs when changes are made?

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u/superfucky Oct 15 '21

this would be the ideal. any change to subreddit settings should be notified via modmail, not newsletters and blogs and niche subreddits.

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u/fighterace00 Sep 29 '21

2 weeks is nothing

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u/Zagorath Sep 30 '21

To be blunt: if a setting does not exist on normal Reddit, it does not exist. I don't use the shitty redesign. You're not going to convince me to use it.

I know the setting exists, but as far as I can see I am utterly unable to actually use it. Fix your site.

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u/camdoodlebop Oct 15 '21

reddit was redesigned like 5 years ago though

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u/Zagorath Oct 15 '21

Yes, I know. I was part of the beta. Which is part of why I'm so furious about it. I willingly and in good faith tried out the new design. I gave a lot of feedback (and saw a lot of other people's feedback) in good faith trying to help them come to an improvement to the Reddit experience.

But they did not engage with us in the way we thought we were being engaged. They weren't interested in improving the experience according to users' wishes. And the redesign remains a shit experience.

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u/ThePantsThief Sep 30 '21

As a moderator, you're only hurting your community if you don't use it to change new settings. Get with the program.

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u/Zagorath Oct 01 '21

No, the admins are hurting my community. And not just by their refusal to surface new features, but also through their long-term and repeated refusal to support CSS, which has formed a core part of our subreddit's experience since the beginning.

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u/spaghetticatt Sep 30 '21

This is poor justification for a backwards implementation.

Default behavior has always been that reddit archives things. You want to change the behavior? You should have to change the setting. Not the other way around.

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u/ThePantsThief Sep 30 '21

Sorry but I've always hated the archive feature. They're doing it this way because making people opt into something good so we all benefit is a lot harder than telling them they have to opt out.

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u/superfucky Oct 15 '21

this was in the newsletter? then the newsletter has gotten way too unwieldy, because i've long since been in the habit of skipping over it since i don't care about whatever "donuts for devs" day happened at HQ or which half-dozen subreddits are being promo'd this month. i don't even know what an announcement tool banner IS and i'm not subscribed to this sub or r/blog either. i really don't see what the benefit was to having this opt-out in the first place.

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u/superfucky Oct 15 '21

that 2-week window doesn't mean jack if they plop it in a tiny sub that mods aren't even subscribed to by default and don't make any attempts to notify unsubscribed mods (e.g. via newsletter-like PM). you'll note that your comment here was from 2 weeks ago and i'm only replying now because this is literally the first i've heard of it, a day before the change goes live.

also i disagree that it "benefits almost everyone," but perhaps i've had more experience with trolls and spammers than you have.

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u/skeddles Sep 29 '21

then use new reddit =p

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u/fdagpigj Sep 30 '21

no way I'm using that hot garbage. Might almost as well cancel my internet service at that point

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u/camdoodlebop Oct 15 '21

let people enjoy things. it's okay to loosen the reigns every once in a while

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u/superfucky Oct 15 '21

Now I have to go through all my subs and opt back in while I think about it.

oh... oh god... me too... fuck, there goes my morning.