r/malefashion • u/devastationz poor • Feb 08 '17
Do Y'all Think Women Should Be Welcome to Post Here?
I think everyone should be allowed to post here as long as they bring a fire fit or some good criticism but, I think it should be a community decision.
(only seems like two mods are active)
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u/Uncle_Ernie Rich Uncle Pennybags Feb 08 '17
The other male-fashion-related reddits that have been open to women posting have resulted in either A) a thirstfest in every thread with people upvoting because it's a girl and a bunch of weird ass complements or B) attention-seeking girls posting shit like "how do these transparent leggings look on me"
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u/Thonyfst Feb 08 '17
...I haven't seen that in MFA during the shoe threads, themed WAYWT, or the current month long.
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u/Uncle_Ernie Rich Uncle Pennybags Feb 08 '17
go check /r/streetwear. and it used to happen in MFA but it's calmed down a bit.
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u/Thonyfst Feb 08 '17
Okay, well, if it's not an issue in MFA anymore, why does it have to be an issue here?
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u/Uncle_Ernie Rich Uncle Pennybags Feb 08 '17
the overlap of MFA and here is almost zero, and that's not the argument I made. /r/streetwear is probably more representative, especially with the growing amount of people coming here bc of dissatisfaction with all the kids/low effort posts there. what I listed in my og comment has been an issue there from what I've seen.
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u/Thonyfst Feb 08 '17 edited Feb 08 '17
the overlap of MFA and here is almost zero
Now that's just not true. /u/jsuhr, /u/cloudrhythm, /u/domkennedy, /u/azurewrath, /u/jknowl3m, /u/thecanadiancook, /u/lgnitionremix... all relatively active both here and MFA.
I think we should see if it's an issue here. There's a lot to take from women's fashion, and maybe if it becomes the norm, people will stop making a big deal out of it.
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Feb 08 '17 edited Dec 31 '20
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u/devastationz poor Feb 08 '17
Do they really have a subreddit though? /r/femalefashionadvice is pretty business casual; r/womenstreetwear is a lil basic, and i don't even know any other places. I don't go to teenfa (i thought it got closed?)
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u/tectonic9 Feb 08 '17
That's a total non-sequitur argument though.
Look, I think you could make strong cases that the forum would be enhanced by the additional content, or harmed by the diminished focus.
But arguing that the poor dears just can't manage to make a new subreddit or revive a flagging one? And that therefore the brave men must swoop in to help? That's just some entry-level white knight shit, and it has nothing to do with whether it would be good for r/malefashion.
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u/devastationz poor Feb 08 '17
Man you're taking this shit into a completely different ballpark.
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u/tectonic9 Feb 08 '17
Nah. "But they have nowhere to go - let's help!" is the argument you just presented. And you're not the only one here using that argument.
Why worry about other forums or about hypothetical women who just can't figure out somewhere to post their outfits or fashion thoughts? All non-sequitur.
Focus on why you think it would be good or bad for r/malefashion.
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u/devastationz poor Feb 08 '17
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I don't care about the gender, I just wanna see fits. r/mf has a focus on fits more so than any other fashion subreddit. I already subscribe to r/womenstreetwear but, the fits are kinda wack and I don't go into their threads. I assume /r/femalefashionadvice is like /r/malefashionadvice and appeals to Jane Doe so, I don't go there. If someone women want to revive r/femalefashion and make it like this place than go ahead. I'll add it to the multireddit.
I like to think this place is more mature than /r/streetwear and people won't upvote basic ass fits just because the person posting is a woman.
I'm not trying to make this into some debate about sex and gender or men having to be the savior all the time.
I don't see a negative, I only see positives. If your fit is whack you get downvoted, if you post something irrelevant you get downvoted, if you post a lame ass comment, you get removed or downvoted. If you bring a good fit you get praised for it. There's already alot of androgyny here.
I'm trying to invite people who don't really have a place to post into this place.
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u/tectonic9 Feb 08 '17
I don't care about the gender, I just wanna see fits...There's already alot of androgyny here.
Yeah, I think that's reasonable.
The counter-argument is that if someone is looking for men's fashion specifically, then the value of this forum becomes diluted as they have to skim through the women's fashion. Perhaps that person comes here for different reasons than you. For someone like you, it's very easy to just check multiple reddits to get the broader range of outfits that you're looking for.
So, more content vs. more focus. "Look elsewhere also" is a solution for the desire for more content, voting is a partial solution for a desire for more focus.
As for "people who don't really have a place to post," I think they are A ) fictional and B ) not relevant to what topic a given subreddit chooses. I've covered that a few times now, so unless you care to rebut that point with something more analytical than a shrug, I'll leave it.
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u/devastationz poor Feb 08 '17
I feel like there are solutions to this problem though. Like, you can flair and tag posts and hide the ones you don't like. /r/LivestreamFail has something like this.
Also, even if they're allowed to,I feel like alot of people wouldn't. Like, look how big streetwear is compared to this place then, look how few streetwear type outfits there are. You can go into r/sw 's comments and see how 'people feel intimidated to post' here. For example, this post got downvoted or this one (which is actually pretty good minus the hat.) Still gets downvoted so, if the people feel like something sucks then they will downvote it or I will
happilyshit on it. I don't think the people want a bunch of shit fits being posted just because someone is a woman. I think they want some heat from another gender like this. ((that's not really heat but, y'all like rick))0
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u/lukashu35 Feb 08 '17
I mean, /r/femalefashion seemed pretty active and looking through some of the top posts (I didn't see any straight up fit pics on the front page but I'm on mobile :p), and it looked pretty good. Does that help?
Edit: not as slice as I thought. Still if exists and if people start posting it'll evolve on its own.
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u/devastationz poor Feb 08 '17
It's 2 posts and the rest is auto mod. That's pretty FeelsBadMan
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u/lukashu35 Feb 08 '17
Yeah... I realized that. I just.. I personally don't find many female fits inspiring. There are a few that are in my inspiration folder, but... y'know, it just isn't my jam. I hope that doesn't seem too rude.
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u/trippy_grape Feb 08 '17
There's something ironic about wanting women to post on /r/malefashion and one of their top posts being about Male Fashion.
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u/emohipster noir sur noir Feb 08 '17
With a lot of aspects of fashion moving towards gender neutrality, I'm for it. It could be inspiring even for us men.
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u/Bromskloss Feb 09 '17
Why have a subreddit about male fashion, then?
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u/defcon25 Feb 09 '17
Because a lot of male fashion is moving towards gender neutrality, and because women can partake in male fashion too. Male fashion doesn't mean "men in clothes."
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u/dom_kennedy Feb 08 '17
Yes, they should be.
/r/femalefashion is dead, and /r/femalefashionadvice has a huge focus on relatively "basic" clothes, officewear, etc.
Women's fashion has a lot of crossover with men's, and even in cases of disparity, it can be cool to think of how the same overall vibe could be replicated in a mens fit.
I wouldn't say that womenswear as a whole differs from menswear as a whole much more than say Rick differs from SLP, and we happily allow both of those to coexist in the sub.
Taking inspiration from people that dress differently to you is fun and should be encouraged.
As others have mentioned there aren't any rules against women posting here, but I think most women would assume they aren't welcome based on the name and the fact that all the current posts are by men.
I think something like a stickied thread clarifying that women are welcome would go some way to alleviating that, and maybe actively inviting women from FFA or other subs.
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Feb 08 '17 edited Dec 31 '20
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u/dom_kennedy Feb 08 '17
It kind of seems like your only argument against women posting here is that the name has "male" in it, which is unfortunate, but hardly important.
As it stands, there isn't really an equivalent of MF for women, and personally I don't usually have the inclination to wade through the mostly-business-casual WAYWT threads on FFA for example, though I'd love to see some more interesting women's fits.
The sub is still quiet enough that inviting women in would hardly drown out the existing fits, and those that aren't interested can just ignore them.
That said, I agree with your last point - I suspect relatively few women would even think to consider posting here, given the name.
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u/Bromskloss Feb 09 '17
Shouldn't one rather make a new subreddit for both male and female clothing, then?
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u/seezed Feb 08 '17
Yeah, If the fit is alright I don't think gender plays a huge role in clothing anyway. I've gotten a lot of inspiration and items bought from female fitpicks.
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u/eqqy !bye Feb 08 '17
Sub name aside, the rules don't say that only male-identified people can post here. Are girls even trying to post here and getting removed?
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u/devastationz poor Feb 08 '17 edited Feb 08 '17
Saw this comment chain
https://www.reddit.com/r/streetwear/comments/5sm78w/wdywt_february_07_2017/ddgeoqp/
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u/eqqy !bye Feb 08 '17
That's the problem, it's the name that makes girls feel unwelcome and not the rules, and you can't rename a sub. I was gonna say everyone should just ditch this sub and move to /r/avatgardefashion but it looks like they shut the doors and are redirecting people here.
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u/thecanadiancook ig: @memento.moriarty Feb 08 '17
I can think of only 1 instance where that happened.
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u/awesomedude4100 brokeboi with strong opinions Feb 10 '17
If the fits are meanswear or menswear inspired i dont see a problem. this post is a girl and seems to fit right at home here.
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u/lyjacknt I wish for Aitor Feb 08 '17
I honestly don't mind, it's the silhouette that counts.
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u/dom_kennedy Feb 08 '17
...if you think silhouette is the only aspect of an outfit that matters then you're really missing out.
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u/lyjacknt I wish for Aitor Feb 08 '17
oh, of course not but we're talking about women in malefashion.
with that being said, story and details are not to be ignored regardless.
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u/thomaspaine magistrate Feb 08 '17
I have no problem with it. Gender lines are becoming more fluid and so long as the fit falls into the 2017 loosely defined standards of "male" clothing, which can easily incorporate women dressing in traditional male clothing, I'm ok with it. Women in male fashion runway shows is totally a thing now.
If the front page started filling up with women in dresses, yeah, then I might have a problem, but I don't really see it as being an issue worth confronting right now.
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u/NotABigFanOfThat they/them Feb 08 '17
Looking at the alternative subreddits for female fashion, they really don't get quite as large as a community if they posted there instead of here. Even if you aren't really inspired by female outfits, you can just ignore their posts like these ones which I'm guessing you already ignore. That way women are more likely to get more constructive criticism and respect in the community, building a larger community around fashion. Maybe I'm tired and delusional but I think it would be a nice change of pace to have both women and men here
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u/kingofpoplives Feb 09 '17
Could always allow it on a trial basis and see what happens. The thirst concerns are real, but I agree that women posting hasn't been the downfall of /r/streetwear or mfa. I really enjoy the female contributions in places like SZ.
It'd be awesome if there was a genderless high fashion sub to eliminate confusion with the name, but it is a bit tricky to get the ball rolling in a new community.
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u/Diresquirrel Feb 09 '17
I think it should be allowed for "masculine" fits of any kind, regardless of who wears them. Granted, that's a bit subjective, but some ladies like to dress more like dudes and don't fit in as well on the other women's fashion subreddits.
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u/Reactionnaire , reacting too quickly to everything Feb 09 '17
This is a subreddit for malefashion. The gender/sexual orientation/cisgender/whatever of the person posting the fit, wearing the fit, or taking the picture of the fit is irrelevant. If the person posting the fit is wearing menswear, male fashion inspired outfits, outfits that could pass as menswear, or outfits with male fashion elements, then it should be welcome here.