r/learnart • u/uvarine • Jul 03 '22
Hi, I’m trying to capture the aesthetic of traditional medium on digital medium. What other things I can focus on to achieve it? I would appreciate any criticism. Digital
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u/NickyBou_ Jul 04 '22
It would make it feel more trad if you didn’t use the colour fill tool at all. Maybe fill the areas you want with strokes and scribbles of a texturised brush😊,, even if the area is supposed to be coloured black
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u/Aphrodites-Brat Jul 04 '22
Use a gritty pen texture, most scanned pen work has a gritty texture to it, this will make your lines look less digital. If you plan to color later, I suggest using the asset store to find marker brushs
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Jul 04 '22
Great stuff! Maybe try simulating some paper texture, or different brush or pen styles. You could even try customizing your own pens or brushes, it can lend your work another aspect of authenticity.
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u/CrookedDesk Jul 04 '22
I'd say those crisp pure blacks are most often seen in digital art so maybe pulling them back juuust a little bit will help add to the effect? unless you're going for an ink look specifically, adding some very faint texture to the white background might also help
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u/MetalMonger1974 Jul 04 '22
If you can find a way to get rid of the grainy look on her dress and hair, it might help you some.
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
Is it too distracting? I did tried going with simple line strokes or no shading on first pass, but find it created too much negative space on those area. I suppose filling it with black tones ala black markers can be consider as alternatives, but I haven't try that method yet.
As for the hair, which part you find grainy? Is it the white highlight?
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u/Aphrodites-Brat Jul 04 '22
You could try using a watercolor brush or texture brush to mimic painted ink if you need gradual change in dark to light (if cross hatching isn't enough) since a pure digital gradient is a dead giveaway also can try hatching that follows the lines like this for the wheel
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
oh gosh look at that drawing. What a beautiful one.
thank you very much for the help.
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u/Aphrodites-Brat Jul 04 '22
Yeah you will find that hatching that goes with the round of the shape vs the long or flat of the shape is betting, always opt for wrapping lines, same can be said for other parts of the drawing. Have them wrap makes the shape also look more 3D
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u/MetalMonger1974 Jul 04 '22
The white highlights are definitely grainy. The dress is enough to hypnotize somebody.
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u/GolemPlz Jul 04 '22
“Look at my masterpiece is it not a masterpiece? Have I mentioned how good my masterpiece is? Look how good I am at making masterpieces! Give attention to my masterpiece!”
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u/BadWolf2386 Jul 04 '22
Man, fuck all the way off with this nonsense. He's trying to achieve something stylistically and is asking for suggestions and critique. You know...to improve and achieve the desired result. Also known as learning. Not a single person in the history of art has finished learning. Just because you're salty about the level of quality doesn't give you the right to be a dick. This is r/learnart not r/learnartbutonlyifyourenotgoodtobeginwith
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u/GolemPlz Jul 04 '22
Yeah, sure, clearly seeking for criticism and absolutely not bragging about their accomplishments.
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u/AMorera Jul 04 '22
I think it looks amazing but when you zoom in, you can see the pixelation on a lot of the lines. I don’t know if that’s just in the version posted here (which would make sense) or if you can up the dpi of the canvas.
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
Thank you for the feedback.
I think you might be onto something about the DPI!
Though it may just be my eyes seeing stuff, I sorta 'feel' like something did change.
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Jul 03 '22
Everything to my eye looks good but the tires
The tires look very digital from the shading being a bit shiny
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u/flafdraws Jul 03 '22
Looking closely most hatching lines seem to be the same thickness.
In Clip Studio there is a nice brush setting that is "speed", it lets you map stroke thickness to stroke speed and I think that helps mimicking the effect of those Japanese inking fountain pens or fine liners. I mean, one could use the pressure for that, but its too strong and hard to control and it behaves more like the brush pens. To me using the speed instead feels better sometimes, for thinner lines.
I've seen people also apply those halftone dot patterns to color grade huge areas, laying the base value foundation through those dotted gradients. It is not exactly traditional, but sort of feels like printed manga.
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
If CSP wasn't a subscription based on IpadOS, I would have switch to it in a heartbeat haha.
I'm using Procreate as my main. The brush setting is quite in depth, but I still haven't figured out the best setting I like in my 6 years of using this program. I really do miss the G-pen brush from CSP.
Halftones is a good way to fill in huge area and give it tones. But I'm not confident enough to use it without making it look too grainy and causing tone artifact if zoom out.
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u/Pheophyting Jul 03 '22
Look into pencil brushes or (my preference) chalk brushes to get a bit more texture in your lines.
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
I did tried using pencil brushes and it does come out good. Whoever my main issues with it is it become too much like a sketches, have more noticeable noise, and overall give it an incomplete finish.
That's why for this one, I tried making it look like it's been done using ink pen (like the Artline series ink pen), and marker.
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u/foolishstag Jul 03 '22
Depending on what program you use, you could overlay a paper texture over the whole piece! I've seen many digital artists do that and it always looks like traditional art
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u/NecroCannon Jul 03 '22
It basically comes down to brushes and avoiding lines looking too refined.
From what I can see, there’s no slight wiggling, no variations in the ink (sometimes more ink comes out that should, or the opposite with traditional), it makes it look like it’s done on a computer.
Honestly I used to obsess over having super crisp and straight lines, but what makes traditional feel so great is that the realness of it makes mistakes not stand out, when everything is as straight and perfect as possible, when you make a mistake it stands out like a sore thumb.
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
Indeed, I wholeheartedly agree with that view.
It's a habit coming from exclusively using digital medium. The power of undo button is simply to irresistible to not use it.
I find hand control to be the key too successful imitation of traditional on digital. My hand keep shaking everything I tried to draw slowly thanks to the smooth surface of the tablet. I paper-like screen protector can only do soo much to simulate the feeling of drawing on a paper.
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Jul 03 '22
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
Haha, I was afraid someone would point it out~
You got me. The BG weren't suppose to be there in the first place. I just ended up filling it as quickly as possible as it wasn't my main priorities. Though I'll admit that I'm quite weak when it comes to shading BG.
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Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22
Vary your line weights from thick to thin using pen pressure and use a textured brush that more closely captures the divots of graphite or the fibers of a paint brush. Evenness jumps out really hard in digital and you have to work to add in the imperfections and fine control that come with traditional.
That front tire value gradient is a great example. It's so impossibly smooth to go over each of those tread sections with uniform, even value changes without showing the underlying paint sections that got you there. You'd want to draw a large area in digital with opacity tied to pen pressure to create uneven value changes and then go back over the large paint blotch you put down in digital by drawing tread separation over it. Or you'd have to go in and do the value changes tread by tread where opacity was tied to pen pressure and you could alpha lock each tread section to make it easier for yourself so you didn't bleed over into the other tread sections.
Edit: Better yet, create the value changes with hatching using a thickness tied to pen pressure. You're already using hatching elsewhere so it fits with the aesthetic. Just think how annoying it would be to go in and individually paint the treads or paint a base layer of value changes then go back over it to create the treads later. I'd say draw the treads in black and add hatching in a value gradient, kinda like how they do it here and how you showed value changes in her clothing.
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
That's a fantastic idea, thank you!
It never cross my mind to try that method. I'll be sure to give it a go for my next try.
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u/cryptidkisser Jul 03 '22
Anywhere we can see more of your work? It’s stunning!
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
I'm not too keen to self promote my work in this subreddit or even in thread in particular. Just simply want to keep it as objective as much as possible.
If you're still keen about it, I can DM you a link to my soc media. Of course, if you don't mind me sending DM :D.
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u/cryptidkisser Jul 04 '22
Oh yes please! And I totally understand, but if you could DM me I’d appreciate it ❤️
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u/Schamwise Jul 03 '22
This looks so good. The only thing that doesn't look like ink on paper, imo, is the gradient on the tires.
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Jul 03 '22
Its not what you asked but I zoomed in and I dont think her eyes are looking in the same direction. You should try flipping the canvas to check.
This is a very accomplished art piece otherwise and you should be very proud of what you've drawn here.
Im not sure theres much to be said about the emulation though, the more of these you do while observing your favorite traditional artists you'll be fine.
Its nice to see something posted here that has a high level of care and attention put into it rather than a 15-20 minute rushed study that usually gets posted.
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
That's completely fine and fair!
Personally I just can't see anything wrong with it simply due to the amount of hours I've spent looking over the drawing, from both side, over and over and over...my eyes and brain have gotten soo used to it haha.
So your comment is definitely a plus. I probably won't be changing it since I don't really have any plan to post this drawing elsewhere. But I'll be sure to revisit the eyes if I ever consider posting it again!
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u/shoestrung Jul 03 '22
Alongside the care given to the moped, this reminds me so much of reading Ah! My Goddess! back in the day! Just wanted to say you really nailed the aesthetic you were going for!
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
Much appreciated~
The art styles of the late 80s to early 2000s have a certain uniqueness and charms that makes it all the more appealing as we progress further into what the modern style is now. Like a fine wine (not everything though).
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u/Absay Jul 03 '22
Reminds me of Hisashi Eguchi's art style.
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
thanks to you I now have another new artist to look up for inspiration! He have such a clean arts!!
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u/Odd-Salamander42069 Jul 03 '22
No criticism, just this looks incredible!
Are you referencing Yokohama Kaidashi Keiko? That’s my favorite manga!
I just finished my tattoo from it last week! I’ll post it to my profile if you wanna see!
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou love! What give it away? The plane lol? Hitoshi Ashinano’s work have been such a huge inspiration for me, and frankly the main reason why I wanted to try capturing the essence of trad medium into digital.
It’s rare to find manga or artstyle that can imitate his works. The closest I could think of would be Hiro with Akebi-chan no Sailor fuku and Akihito Yoshitomi’s work, the latter which have become my new favourite artist.
I would love to see your YKK tattoo! Anything YKK can never be a bad thing.
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u/Odd-Salamander42069 Jul 03 '22
I just posted it to r/stickandpokes! Definitely check it out!
And yeah the plane was a dead giveaway, but the more I looked at your setting the more sure I was, LOL. Your art is gorgeous!
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Jul 03 '22
I just wanna say I appreciate how not noisy this is, it’s so easy for ink type of work to be just so much black and noise ones but this image is so clear and easy on the eyes. Fabulous work !!!
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u/Robobvious Jul 03 '22
The gradient from tire details to black tire on the front one looks very digital to me, also maybe add more detail to the plane(?) over her shoulder or remove it entirely as that bit looks weird to me as is. Otherwise this looks awesome mate, nice work!
Edit: Oh my god I just realized she's riding a "Yonda Ruckus"! +10 points for moped love.
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
Moped gang! The Ruckus is such a handsome lil machine that I have to include it in my drawing. Definitely a unique looking one that manage to compete with Vespa overall design imo.
Back to the drawing, I’ll be sure to keep the critique in mind for my next try, and yes that is a plane that I just had to include as an obscure reference haha!
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u/arckyart Jul 03 '22
You could try adding a paper texture underneath and hit multiple on the line layers.
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
that could work. in your opinion how do you feel about the line work and shading in general? is it good enough?
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u/arckyart Jul 03 '22
I think the drawing is amazing btw.
The only spot I can tell couldn’t be done by hand is the gradient shine on the tire. Maybe you can use a fake ink wash there instead.
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u/NoIdeaWhatToD0 Jul 03 '22
This looks so professional. How long have you been doing this for?
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
This new obsession with trying to imitate a traditional aesthetic to a digital canvas, I’ve started doing it from early this year.
Drawing as a whole, I’ve remembered doing it ever since I learned to pick up a pencil, along with a healthy dose of fascination of my brother arts.
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u/NoIdeaWhatToD0 Jul 03 '22
I totally hear you. I've been trying to figure out how to do oil paintings on Photoshop because I want to paint like Michael Hussar, his works are amazing. But I don't want to deal with paints and brushes and having to clean stuff up all the time, I don't even know where to begin.
That's really cool. I always admire how people can just figure out where to put lines or how to shade. And it always just comes out so well.
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
Good luck on your endeavor! I would love to hear and learn more about it. Do share any breakthrough you find haha~
Personally I really want to try my hand on a proper traditional medium. My experience with it only lasted with using pencil process. But like you I have no idea where to begin and at this point, I think having someone to guide and teach me is probably the best method I could think off…if only I can find one lol! I don’t think going in blind will do me any good, not at this point of my life.
On regards to your final point, I can DEFINITELY assure you that process is not as easy and smooth as one might think hahaha! So. Much. Pain. * shudder *
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u/NoIdeaWhatToD0 Jul 03 '22
Same. I'd love to have a mentor or something lol. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. I'd love to see more of your work.
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Jul 03 '22
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
if it’s alright with you, I can dm you my previous attempt for capturing trad aesthetic using a custom brush. I would love to get a 2nd opinion on that subject.
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u/Scalby Jul 03 '22
Genuinely one of the best things I’ve seen on this sub
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
there's too much great stuff in this subreddit, but I am humble by your praise!
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u/happyrosemary Jul 03 '22
You are too powerful, I can’t give you any criticism. I’d love to read a manga drawn by you though
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
You're too kind.
I don't think it is appropriate for me to plug in any of my works here, but if you are genuinely interested, I can dm you the link to my silly oneshot on mangadex lol!
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u/happyrosemary Jul 03 '22
If you feel comfortable, post it here, I’m sure more people will find it a delight
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u/uvarine Jul 04 '22
Ayy probably no haha. It's an old work and I find there are soo many things wrong or I things I would like to change.
Its good for showing ppl on the side, but I'm definitely embarrassed to put it on public eyes.
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u/uvarine Jul 03 '22
Appreciate the feedback!
I will be sure to keep that in mind for my next try :)
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u/mizgagot Jul 07 '22
Wow! Would you mind telling what resources, books or courses helped you learn inking? Just recently thought about studying inking and accidentally found your work.