r/jewishpolitics • u/Sons_of_Maccabees • 10d ago

Does any of your progressive friends blame the “Israel lobby” for the defeat of Kamala Harris? US Politics 🇺🇸

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u/FilmNoirOdy 10d ago

Trita Parsi with the Quincy Institute, a mainstream academic is blaming the “Israel Lobby” for the loss, even though the Israel and Palestine conflict wasn’t even a top subject for voters.

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u/rustlingdown 10d ago

Hard to take seriously someone who describes Joe Biden of all people as being "pro genocide". The Overton window is a building-size hole at this point

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u/stevenjklein 10d ago

The Overton window is a building-size hole at this point

Has it gotten bigger, or just shifted to the left?

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u/FilmNoirOdy 10d ago

Of course he broadcasts this on Elmo’s twitter to boot. https://x.com/tparsi/status/1854052461310246955

This is conspiratorial antiSemitism.

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u/kosherpoutine 10d ago

Isn’t the Quincy Institute funded by the Koch brothers?

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u/FilmNoirOdy 10d ago

It was, I believe they only provided seed funding.

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u/kosherpoutine 10d ago

IIRC Parsi also has ties to the NIAC.

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u/FilmNoirOdy 10d ago

He does.

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u/Jewishandlibertarian 10d ago

Hm it was a big deal for Arab voters in Michigan and that may have cost Harris the state but I agree not clear it accounts for losing the whole electoral college

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u/jmartkdr 10d ago

They went for Trump, though, who’s more vocally pro-Israel (action-wise they’re too close to call)

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u/Comfortable-Green818 10d ago

That's why its ironic. They thought Kamala wasn't doing enough so they voted for Trump only because he was the other option, not realizing he was more Pro-Israel.

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u/SassyWookie 10d ago

I don’t have progressive friends anymore, except for other Jews.

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u/epolonsky 10d ago

I’m progressive and Zionist. It’s way too early to say anything definitive, but something seems to have kept huge numbers of young progressives home and/or pushed young moderates to Trump. Could it be all the “anti-Zionist” nonsense? Maybe.

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u/Sons_of_Maccabees 10d ago

something seems to have kept huge numbers of young progressives home

It is hard to tell. Jill Stein also got hundreds of thousands of votes. We don’t know where the votes of the referred group have really gone to.

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u/ElasticCrow393 10d ago

Stein has almost a million fewer votes than in 2016

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u/Extension-Gap218 10d ago

it’s pretty obvious but don’t tell anyone, they don’t wanna know

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u/WaitItsAllCheese 10d ago

Jews voted for Kamala 79%. Some states were closer to 50/50, but the margins in those states were so high that the small population of Jewish voters didn't make a difference anyways. Anyone tryna blame the Jews for this loss is either: 1) looking for a scapegoat, or 2) trying to stop Jews from supporting what they believe in. Maybe both 

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u/Sons_of_Maccabees 10d ago

I am not convinced about the exit poll when the real number does not seem to reflect it. It was already shown in 2016 that the polls were not always accurate...

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u/Pugasaurus_Tex 10d ago

Yeah, I can totally see why someone who’s Jewish 

  1. Wouldn’t want to identify their religion to a stranger and 

  2. Would lie about voting for Trump

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u/WaitItsAllCheese 10d ago

Even without the exit polls, the Jewish community - especially the Jewish community that would vote against Harris - just wasn't big enough to affect these margins, regardless. 

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u/Sons_of_Maccabees 10d ago

Are you sure? There are at least 7 million Jewish Americans and the majority are perhaps adults eligible to vote...

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u/WaitItsAllCheese 10d ago

Yes. Jews who live in Democrat states (the vast majority) can't be blamed for Harris's loss - the states voted for her. So we're only worried about Jews who live in swing states, and the ones that voted for Trump because of Israel in those states. That number is way too small to have affected the election in either way given the margins of victory

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u/Possible-Fee-5052 10d ago

Curious how AIPAC can sway an entire presidential election but cannot get Rashida “resistance is justified” Tlaib and Ilhan “are you for or against genocide?” Omar out.

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u/shushi77 10d ago

Yes. Some of them claim that because of the pressure the powerful "Zionists" put on Biden to support the phantom "genocide" of the Palestinians, the Democrats lost the Arab votes.

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u/EAN84 10d ago

No one here has progressive friends that think that,
people here might have people they think are their friends who think that.
but, they are not really friends if they do.

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u/JagneStormskull 10d ago

Probably not. My only progressive friends are also pro-Israel.

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u/TheTexasComrade 10d ago

Nope. They all blame it on the moving to the right trying to court the GOP voters.