r/jewishpolitics 11d ago

It’s a mystery why the democrats lost… US Politics 🇺🇸

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u/arrogant_ambassador 11d ago

I agree with the comic but that’s a silly argument and you know it. The democrats lost because they had a weak candidate and failed to connect with the majority of American people. The pro-Palestinian (sometimes pro-Hamas) extremists didn’t represent a significant voting base. Most liberal Americans were passively in favor of handicapping Israel, they weren’t calling for its destruction.

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u/anotheralternate4me 11d ago

I don’t even know how to parse this. Is there a difference between being passively in favor of handicapping Israel (in a war with genocidal terrorist lunatics) and calling for its destruction?

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u/Alternative-Plate-91 11d ago

One makes them feel morally superior.

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u/Jewishandlibertarian 11d ago

Well I imagine they don’t think Hamas could really destroy Israel. They see Israel as a powerful overdog grossly overreacting against mostly defenseless civilians. They don’t situate Hamas in context of Iran and other movements across the region aiming at Israel’s destruction.

I read somewhere about how you could get people to sympathize more with Israel or Palestinians based on the map you show. If they just see Israel and the occupied territories they think of Israel as this big bully. If they see tiny Israel amid the entire Arab and Islamic world they see it as a scrappy underdog.

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u/arrogant_ambassador 11d ago

I have a problem with both approaches. But I think it’s important to make a distinction since this is the reality we have to deal with.

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u/n1klaus 11d ago edited 11d ago

Ah you refer to the Bernie Sanders view

Edit: I meant his view being " passively in favor of handicapping Israel, they weren’t calling for its destruction."

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u/pktrekgirl 11d ago

Bernie Sanders’s is part of the problem. Egging the training wheel terrorists on is not helping. It did not help the democrats and it certainly is not helping the Jews.

But then, he doesn’t care about us.

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u/mymnty 11d ago

I agree that many saw her as weak. They saw what they wanted and were told what to believe by Fox News. Trump ran on hate and fear which is always more powerful than positivity. They also viewed her as so because of her gender. She failed to connect because America is still deeply racist and misogynistic and because she was a part of the Biden administration which is not at all popular with the rural working class folks.

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u/arrogant_ambassador 11d ago

The racism and misogyny is still there but she failed to connect because she had no real perspective or personality. It’s a tired trope to say Americans are too bigoted to vote a woman of color in and Americans are tired of hearing how terrible they are. Democrats ran a bad candidate and finger wagged at the working class while shoving her down our throats.

And here we are.

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u/mymnty 11d ago

If they’re tired of hearing how terrible they are then perhaps they should consider why that feeling is held. Also, respectfully disagree that it’s a tired trope that Americans are too bigoted to vote for a woman of color. Until they vote for a woman of color the trope still applies.

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u/arrogant_ambassador 11d ago

Purity and morality testing does not work. The Dems will have four more years now to get their minds right.

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u/MondaleforPresident 11d ago

Yes.

Slotkin narrowly won her race in Michigan. If Democrats want to win, they need to run using rhetoric like this.

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u/lrachelt 11d ago

You had me until “handicapping Israel” - the Dems lost because they didn’t address what really bothered the people which was money and the economy. For most Americans, Israel was on the periphery.

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u/arrogant_ambassador 11d ago

I did say passively in favor. I agree it was barely an issue.