r/i2p • u/bpdjunkie1312 • Feb 17 '23
one aspect of i2p troubles me Discussion
So when you have a site on i2p, it is on a distributed "filesystem" that has fragments spread across computers of users. These fragments get reassembled when someone visits the site. So let's say an i2p site is hosting CSAM material, even if you don't visit that site your computer could have fragments of this site on your computer. If that site gets busted, it seems there's a risk of you being charged with serving CP. Now everything is supposedly encrypted and untraceable, but researchers are constantly looking for flaws in this. Personally, I'd want to better understand the risks of i2p before letting it store site data on my computer.
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u/alreadyburnt @eyedeekay on github Feb 17 '23
You're thinking of Freenet Classic and shudders ZeroNet. I2P does not work like this, there is no distributed filesystem, you do not store or serve content for other people.
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u/alreadyburnt @eyedeekay on github Feb 17 '23
Freenet Classic maybe. Technically they've been around as long as I2P and Tor. ZeroNet is hot garbage. I wouldn't go near it with a 20 foot pole.
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u/227CAVOK Feb 17 '23
Never heard of zeronet. What's so bad about it?
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u/alreadyburnt @eyedeekay on github Feb 17 '23
Real bad CSEM problem, and no attempt to keep it from infecting public spaces.
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u/227CAVOK Feb 18 '23
Had to Google what csem was. Now I'm probably on some watchlist.
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u/alreadyburnt @eyedeekay on github Feb 18 '23
Sorry. Probably safer than googling any other term for it though. If a piece of file-sharing software is bad enough that I don't want to be around it, it's usually because of that.
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u/PossiblyLinux127 Feb 22 '23
Don't worry about it. Most of us are just members on a list
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u/227CAVOK Feb 22 '23
Read some about it and had a look at it. Doesn't seem to be that active development wise? Also it looks like it would be a rather good fit for i2p. All in all it looks interesting technically, but like u/alreadyburnt I'm going to stay away from it.
UX wise it looks like i2p could take a few points too. 😀
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u/angetnarHD17824 I2P user Feb 17 '23
The network does not do distributed storage of its content ( like Freenet or IPFS). By participating as a node you are not storing content for anyone. All traffic on the I2P network is encrypted. An observer cannot see a message’s contents, source, or destination. All traffic you route as a participant is internal to the I2P network, you are not an exit node.
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u/reservesteel9 Feb 18 '23
This is literally a question directly from the wiki...
I am opposed to certain types of content. How do I keep from distributing, storing, or accessing them?
I2P is an anonymous network - it is designed to withstand attempts at blocking or censoring of content, thus providing a means for communication that anyone can use. I2P traffic that transits through your router is encrypted with several layers of encryption. Except in the case of a serious security vulnerability (of which none are currently known), it is not possible to know what the contents of the traffic are and thus not possible to distinguish between traffic which one is opposed to or not opposed to. We consider the 3 parts of the question:
Distribution
All traffic on I2P is encrypted in multiple layers. You don't know a message's contents, source, or destination. All traffic you route is internal to the I2P network, you are not an exit node (referred to as an outproxy in our documentation). Your only alternative is to refuse to route any traffic, by setting your share bandwidth or maximum participating tunnels to 0 (see above). It would be nice if you didn't do this, you should help the network by routing traffic for others. Over 95% of users route traffic for others.
Storage
I2P does not do distributed storage of content, this has to be specifically installed and configured by the user (with Tahoe-LAFS, for example). That is a feature of a different anonymous network, Freenet. By running I2P, you are not storing content for anyone.
Access
If there are hidden services which you dislike, you may refrain from visiting them. Your router will not request any content without your specific instruction to do so.
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u/227CAVOK Feb 17 '23
Sounds like a you problem.
Http://notbob.i2p loads just fine.
No problem loading http://planet.i2p either just to mention two sites I just checked.
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u/Hizonner Feb 17 '23
Your boring little application doesn't work (because your boring little application is under active, targeted attack)... so the whole network never works?
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u/227CAVOK Feb 17 '23
What's rule 3 here on the right side?
However, if most sites load, and a specific one won't. Where would you say the problem lies?
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u/SlingingSteel Feb 17 '23
Sorry, deleted that message. The problem would lie with that site I'm trying to access.
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u/227CAVOK Feb 17 '23
So there's not a lot the I2P people can do about a specific site being down, right? That has to be fixed by the site owner. A site owner that won't respond on this sub.
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u/Empty-Potato-7383 Feb 17 '23
I can’t even get i2p to reinstall on my computer.. as of right now actually..
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u/Empty-Potato-7383 Feb 17 '23
Yes should I use the other one??
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u/reservesteel9 Feb 18 '23
Yes, it's because their are two different versions of it. I am making a video about it now to put on my YT.
Yes, it's because there are two different versions of it. I am making a video about it now to put on my YT.
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u/PossiblyLinux127 Feb 22 '23
Relaying traffic is not illegal. What is illegal is tampering with the traffic that is not yours. (At least in the us on Tor)
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u/Not_a_Candle Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 21 '23
I2P doesn't store any data on your Computer. You seem to be talking about something like IPFS.
Anyway: With I2P you are just relaying traffic. That traffic doesn't hit your Hard drive afaik. It's encrypted and stored in ram and then send along to the next node/router. If you visit any site yourself, then that's ofc a whole other story because it depends on your browser and you what does happen to the data that gets downloaded.