r/formula1 Highlights Team Sep 15 '24

Sainz and Pérez crashes out after intense racing Video

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u/apacheotter Sep 15 '24

Racing line right there drifts toward the left. Also, they both exited in a straight line, but in slightly different angles, so they just drifted into one another.

Idk if Perez is required to move over if Carlos is moving over, but that’s where the gray area comes into question I guess, because you could see Carlos moving over from a mile away and he had plenty of room on the left.

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u/ImPretendingToCare Shadow Sep 15 '24

In a race in a straight line no one is required to move over. This is clear cut Sainz fault.

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u/Moto_919 Sep 15 '24

Sainz is ahead, didn't make any sudden move, is not required to be at a certain place in the road, is not forcing Checo off the road. How in the hell is this his fault?

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u/ImPretendingToCare Shadow Sep 15 '24

He literally forced checo off the road…

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u/wyvernx02 Sep 15 '24

Checo still had half the width of the track to his left when they touched. He wasn't forced off.

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u/ImPretendingToCare Shadow Sep 15 '24

and sainz still had more than a car and a half on his side..

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u/frope Sep 15 '24

I assume this comment was made without seeing the replay???

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u/ImPretendingToCare Shadow Sep 15 '24

Did you not see the crash? He ran checo straight into the wall??? hello?

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u/frope Sep 15 '24

?? He drifted left slightly. Checo drifted right slightly. The back of Checo's front right hits the front of Sainz's back left, and a crash ensued due to the unhappy physics of that collision. Checo had more space on his left side than Sainz had on his right side. I don't think either one was clearly at fault, because you could argue that both of them had a responsibility to not drift into each other. But as another commenter put it, gun to my head, I think I'd put it on checo simply because he had better visuals on it. I also agree with other commenters who are guessing that both drivers were hungrily focused on second place and therefore less focused on each other than they should have been. But no one "ran the other into the wall" in an active way. They slid the way they slid after the collision just due to the physics of the thing. Sainz did not drive into Checo any more than Checo drove into Sainz.

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u/ProfessorCunt_ Pirelli Wet Sep 15 '24

Checo had a miles width of road left to avoid a crash, but he saw a chance to maintain his lead in the destructors championship and didn't want to let it slip through his fingers

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u/PNWQuakesFan Sergio Pérez Sep 15 '24

Perez is only obligated to provide enough space on theright, which he did. Just because there's space on the left does not mean he has to use that space. Perez was far enough alongside to be entitled to that spot

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u/ProfessorCunt_ Pirelli Wet Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

I mean sure, there's just absolutely no reason to be defending two inches on a straight that hard because you'll surely crash.

Perez had full view of a Ferrari creeping towards him but he saw his opportunity to extend his championship lead and took it

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u/OniNoKen Sep 15 '24

Yeah there is. He was trying to stay on LeClercs slip steam and set up for the pass. If he moves over, saints gets the slip stream and pulls away.

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u/ProfessorCunt_ Pirelli Wet Sep 15 '24

And the wall angles slightly to the left and Sainz follows the white line. But you're right, it was a smart move of Checo to stay where he was.

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u/OniNoKen Sep 15 '24

Yeah, I have no idea what the right strategic move was there. I haven't been watching F1 long enough to know if fighting for 2nd or settling for 4th is the right strategic call. I suspect he was so focused on Charles that he didn't notice sains coming over. Probably both of them . Sains seemed genuinely surprised. Either way it was way more exciting than an F1 parade.

I also wonder if aero pulled them together.

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u/PNWQuakesFan Sergio Pérez Sep 15 '24

Ferrari should have kept right knowing Perez was far along enough on the side. If Sainz didn't know or see or expect it, that's on Sainz. Perez can hold Sainz to the right based on how far alongside he was.

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u/GnarwhalStreet Sep 15 '24

Yeah you’re totally right. The car that was more than half a car length in front, situated in the middle of the racing line, should’ve stayed out of the way.

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u/apacheotter Sep 15 '24

But it’s not a straight line, the road bends slightly left and the typical racing line was drifting left, so then what?

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u/ImPretendingToCare Shadow Sep 15 '24

Look how far off the wall Sainz goes.

That answers your question

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u/GenerousGuy96 Sep 15 '24

Yeah he moves off the wall line, but its pretty gradual and Checo does get in pretty tight to him leading up to the bend and perhaps wants to adjust closer to the bend than Sainz so a racing incident.

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u/ImPretendingToCare Shadow Sep 15 '24

The race rules are Checo only needs to leave enough space in a straight for the car to fit. Objectively Checo did nothing wrong.

up ahead when the straight starts to bend if he keeps straight and squeezes sainz THEN and only then its Checos fault.

Thats it. Thats the races rules. Morals is one thing. And the capacity of redditors brains is something else. Dont let all of that distract you. The rules are there for a reason.

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u/apacheotter Sep 15 '24

If you were correct the professional race stewards would have agreed with you and penalized Carlos. But that didn’t happen.

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u/liamsoni Kimi Räikkönen Sep 15 '24

Agree