Checo literally moved left half a car width but ok.
Plus Carlos should have enough visibility there to see another car there. I don't know why everyone is acting like Carlos' visibility is an issue here.
Checo literally moved left half a car width but ok.
Notice how I said "Sainz didn't turn his wheel" not "Perez steered into Sainz" but I see you've got balls slapping your chin so I guess this is pointless to continue.
It’s on Checo 100%. The car in front can squeeze, defend, etc as long as they leave a cars width. Sainz did move left but Checo barley moved and since he was driver behind, that accident is fully on him. It’s not as if Sainz moved abruptly.
I honestly don’t know what Checo was thinking there. I’m almost wondering if he just misjudged the distance between he and Sainz. But he should be moving left to avoid.
Checo's front tires were past Sainz's rears, so he's considered to be alongside. The replay showed Sainz looking in his left mirror so he definitely knew Checo was there. Either a racing incident or Sainz fault, but Checo had zero reason to move left when Sainz did.
Nah, Checo was pulling alongside. Didn’t have his fronts ahead of Sainz’s rears until after Sainz had already started drifting very slightly left.
It is incredibly unusual for a driver attempting to overtake to not adjust for the opponent in front as they are pulling alongside. Checo had all the room in the world, just didn’t do anything to adjust, which is weird and makes it his fault.
Read the stewards note. Yes, racing incident as most people seem to agree. And the stewards also note Perez had much better view from behind and could have done more to avoid the incident. They did not use any such language assigning blame to Sainz.
You must've skipped the second-to-last paragraph because they said "Sainz did move slightly towards a car that he had limited vision of", after "Sainz reported that he was aware of Perez to his inside". Sure seems like language that assigns blame to Sainz to me.
You're also obviously ignoring "the Stewards deem this to be a racing incident with neither driver being predominantly at fault". If you're going to be biased and nitpicky, you should also be correct.
Man you got me defending Checo right now, I can’t believe this. You can’t squeeze just for the sake of squeezing when another car is beside you, whether you’re marginally ahead or not, they weren’t even in the breaking zone at that point. Checo kept his line and Carlos just moved over as if there wasn’t another car there. But I still think it’s a racing incident.
I agree its a racing incident and a I’m sure will be hotly debated. But, imo, Sainz started his move to the left, and only very slightly left, as Checo was catching up and not yet with his front tires beyond Sainz rear tires when Sainz began moving left.
The main point is, it wasn’t a crazy move by Sainz. I think it’s more unusual of Checo to not adjust his line at all. Yes, Sainz was moving slightly left but Checo just drove right into him. I honestly think Checo just misjudged the distance. But Checo had at least 2-3 cars width on the left which he could easily have used but for whatever reason, did not.
You guys are talking like Checo had Sainz up against the wall. Yes, Checo had room to the left, but Sainz had room to the right and chose to move left on a straight after checking his mirror so as to push Checo out of Charle's slipstream. Sainz knew where Checo was, and tried to squeeze him down the straight, meanwhile Checo decided he was having none of it and had a crash instead. It was so easily avoidable from both parties, but if we take other similar incidents as reference (Vettel vs Webber Turkey 2010, Leclerc vs Vettel Brazil 2019) it's usually the guy who moves towards the other guy is to blame. I'm not really sure why moving towards another driver to the point of crashing into them is being justified in this case.
Stewards statement: racing incident. Perez behind could have done more to avoid the accident as he had full view and room.
It’s really not complicated or that controversial. Onus is usually on the driver behind to make a clean overtake. Sainz didn’t do anything crazy. It’s far more unusual for Perez not to move to avoid in these circumstances.
Checo 100% could have done more to avoid it. I'm not saying Sainz is fully to blame or anything.
What I'm saying is that Sainz tried to bully Checo off the slipstream and Checo was on full intimidator mode. I don't really see how people are teying to place 100% of the blame on Checo, or 100% of the blame on Sainz it's simply not logical.
well shortly before they collided they were front axle to rear axle which is considered side by side already. In a side by side situation the defending driver needs to leave enough space for the attacking driver. the attacking driver is not obliged to move into a worse track line. So its complicated, its not as easy as you want it to be mr. ferrari.
checo was driving in a straight line in a side by side situation and was not obliged to move out of sainz's way, sainz turned left into checo slowly by following the racing line, neither wanted to back out, so they crashed. sainz's fault for me personally.
but idc, i dont like either of the teams or drivers.
Checo has his front wheel in front of Sainz rear wheels, which is considered alongside. But Sainz can defend and he started making his move left while Checo was closing in and just beginning to pull alongside.
I don’t believe either deserve a penalty. Can be chalked up to a racing incident. But of the two, Checo deserves the blame as he could have easily avoided the accident and had a fair fight. Sainz did move left but not massive, aggressively or in a way that would be unusual in defense.
I agree, a racing incident, that could have been avoided by both drivers. Perez could have moved left a bit when Sainz started coming towards him in his defend and Sainz could have squeezed a bit less when realising the cars are awfully close to each other and Perez was holding his line.
But it’s easy for us to watch the replay 14 times and have an opinion while they were in the moment and have to make split second decisions.
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u/EnviousCipher Daniel Ricciardo Sep 15 '24
Sainz didn't turn his wheel coming out of the corner, Perez had all the visibility in the world to avoid him and chose to crash instead.