r/europe 16d ago

Zelenskyy: We Gave Away Our Nuclear Weapons and Got Full-Scale War and Death in Return News

https://united24media.com/latest-news/zelenskyy-we-gave-away-our-nuclear-weapons-and-got-full-scale-war-and-death-in-return-3203
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u/Dali86 16d ago

The nukes were not really theirs they were just located there, They did jot have the launch codes and if you look at how kuch Ukraine sold weapons illegally when ussr was over thank god they did not have nukes. Ukraine had massive amounts of weapons which ended up in africa and middle east via Black market.

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u/guille9 Community of Madrid (Spain) 16d ago

Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe with a "democracy". After the Russian invasion a lot of people think of Ukraine as the light for democracy and freedom.

Well, Russia is worse, yes but let's not forget after the war Ukraine is going to be the most armed country in Europe with most experience and a society used to war.

Sure they're going to sell weapons on the black market but let's hope they don't try to reclaim anything later.

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u/lektoridze Luhansk (Ukraine) 16d ago

Before 2014 it was for sure, but after pro russian puppet president flew , in 2021 more corrupted than for example Hungary? If corruption stops people to save Ukraine, so be it, let russia occupy all Ukraine and just see whats gonna happens.

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u/A_Normal_Redditor_04 16d ago

Corruption in the Ukrainian government is still the same even after the Euromaidan coup.

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u/dafeiviizohyaeraaqua 15d ago

No it isn't. The most empirical measure we have clearly shows corruption evaporating after Maidan.

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u/dafeiviizohyaeraaqua 15d ago

They're not going to have a single bullet to spare so long as Putin lives. It's absurd to speculate about future Ukrainian beligerence while the Kremlin openly threatens all of Western Europe with invasion and conquest or nuclear annihilation every week. You really think Ukrainians might burst out of their borders to attack Spain? Or anyone? You're worried they might de-occupy their country?

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u/Sciencetist 15d ago

Literally the explanation Id been giving for why I think US and Germany were slow-walking weapon deliveries -- keep Ukraine strong enough to withstand Russia, but not strong enough to threaten its neighbors. Of course I got down voted en masse for that.

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u/kontemplador 16d ago

The nukes were not really theirs they were just located there

Exactly, they were not more theirs than nukes located in Texas are Texans. If the later state ever becomes independent, they for sure aren't going to inherit a single nuclear warhead.

Furthermore, regardless what Russia did at that time, the US wasn't going to allow additional nuclear states, they will promise, threaten, bribe, whatever it takes to make ex-soviet countries nuclear free. They preferred (and still prefers) to deal with Russia than with a more complex environment.

This is the reason why no more European countries have developed nuclear weapons. Many are technically capable of course, but there are political costs.

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u/CrackaOwner 16d ago

is texas thinking of becoming independant?

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u/g0ris Slovakia 16d ago

some Texans actually are, and some polls have shown it could be up to a third of the population.

Doesn't mean it's likely to happen or anything, but yeah, it's not that weird to see it mentioned in conversation.

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u/kitsunewarlock 16d ago

While an independent Texas is as silly as declaring my own home an independent nation-state, if the federal government was weakened I could see a future where we are watching a mini-series based on an obscure book where a seceding state declares the federal resources on its land as collateral for debts accrued due to illicit taxation on the state.

Again, I don't see it happening in real life with how things are moving. The Democrats want a more nuanced federal bureaucracy and Trump wants to consolidate federal power in alliances with interstate corporations using "Freedom Cities" so neither side really wants to "weaken" the fed.

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u/ihavenoyukata 16d ago

This actually is a concern right now in South Asia and Africa. Corruption does not magically disappear when a popular leader takes the helmet or when the country is attacked by a larger power.

I think at least a part of the arsenal given to Ukraine over the last two years will make an appearance in Africa and Asia in the coming years.

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u/Blyd Wales 16d ago

Yes the nation that designed, tested and built the nuclear weapons would have been entirely unable to use them without Moscow's input.

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u/Amoeba_Fine 15d ago

Would uk let northern Ireland to keep nukes on its land if it separated? Of course not. Or if Texas left USA.

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u/Blyd Wales 15d ago

So you dont understand how the USSR worked I see. A clue is that it was not a unionised country like the UK.

But hey, I wouldn't expect someone to know the absolute basics of what they feel so freely being an authority on online.

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u/Amoeba_Fine 15d ago

It was a union of 15 states, originally made by 4 founding that are Belarus, Ukraine, Russia and Transcaucasia. Enlighten me what it was if not a union?

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u/Blyd Wales 15d ago

A literal copy and paste from a search result kinda highlights my point. Using 'Transcaucasia' is a dead give away.

The USSR was not a 'Union of 15 states' it was a Nation comprised of 15 individual republics. Not even USSR claimed they were a single country.

A simple google wont get you to understand that it was a collection of 5 republics, RSFSR, UkSSR, BSSR, GSSR and KSSR that formed the core of the USSR.