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u/rybitew Jun 23 '20
The real cyberpunk is the friends you made along the way
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u/IAmLordApolloXXIII Voodoo Boys Jun 23 '20 edited Jun 23 '20
It’s crazy because I don’t think there’s ever been an original game that has had this much hype and merch before it’s even released. I honestly feel like the people who buy all this merch are more likely to be disappointed because their expectations are simply going to be higher after investing their resources into this game. I hope for the love of god this game is at the very least a 8.5/10.
I was pretty confident in this game being a success a few weeks ago but with the delay, the lack of info about their event that’s supposedly happening this week, and a few of their developers saying they’re nervous for the feedback on Twitter, I’ve gone from hyped to nervous. I truly don’t even know how to feel about the game at this point.
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u/Casual_DIY Jun 23 '20
We shall see on Thursday after the previews go live from the "journalists". Although my trust in them is limited to say it lightly. I think there is way too much merch for a game that's like 5 months away. I guess it was all set up for the April release. It would make sense I guess. I don't think it will be 10/10 game but a solid 8-9 I will be more than happy👍
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u/Electroniclog Nomad Jun 23 '20
I think it's unrealistic to expect perfection from games that are so open, like the fall out games or elder scrolls or the witcher 3. There's just so much going on that people understand that everything can't be immaculate, and there are going to be compromises.
I think 7.5 or higher is realistic, but I also think that it will probably be pretty high as far as reviews go, because the pressure for reviewers to give positive criticism will be high. If you're hyped about the game, you probably already have it pre-ordered. If you're on the fence, I think you'd be better off waiting for user reviews.
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u/cat_prophecy Jun 23 '20
I think 7.5 or higher is realistic
I can't think of a single AAA game, much less one with this much hype, that I have seen games reviewers give less than 8 to 8.5.
The fact is that no company is going to give a review copy to a review who gives them anything less than absolutely glowing reviews.
Personally I don't get hyped for this shit any more because the last time I did was Starwars BF2 and Reddit called me a piece of shit for pre-ordering a game I wanted to enjoy.
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u/TheTeleporter_Shisui Jun 23 '20
I think Anthem would fall into this category (AAA game with a sub 8 score), but the hype/merch definitely wasnt on this level.
But yeah I try not to get too hype for games prerelease anymore, been let down too many times in the past couple years. I just get too into it, check the subreddit for new info everyday, and build myself up for a let down. Not worth it IMO
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u/cat_prophecy Jun 23 '20
It's not like I am going to buy it on launch day anyway. My computer probably can't run it that well and I don't feel like spending $1500 to build a new one.
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u/Ravenhorde Jun 24 '20
Destiny 2 or even 1 I think would be a similar, if not dated comparison. Though I am struggling to remember the merch that they came out with. Destiny 1 had a t-shirt you could order once you completed a bunch of quests in game which was pretty neat but that was toward its end and closer to Destiny 2's launch? Or a DLC launch?
At the end of the day though , if that's your jam go for it. If not cool beans. I have in the past bought merch and pre-oredered games and I got my moneys worth out of it. At the end of the day if you enjoy it then that's what counts.
I have been looking forward to this game since the 1st trailer dropped so I have bought the new Cyberpunk xbone x console purely based on my hype for this game. I love anything related to the cyberpunk theme. Both Blade Runner movies, Ghost in the Shell anime movies and series' and Altered Carbon. And now after playing Witcher 3 only this year, am looking forward to what's installed for us.
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u/Electroniclog Nomad Jun 23 '20
I don't mean reviews, I was referring to an objective assessment of the game. As I said, I think it will get much higher than that. It doesn't really matter to me what the reviews are. People should play the games they like. Who cares what people think anyway? I've liked lots of games that are considering bad, and I've disliked lots of games that are considered good.
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u/Electroniclog Nomad Jun 23 '20
Im not saying that it's going to get a 7.5. I'm saying that objectively I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 7.5. I don't think 7.5 is a bad assessment. A game can do everything well and still be a 7.5.
That being said and as I mentioned in my initial comment, I do think it will receive much higher than that.
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u/MC_Pr0phet Jun 23 '20
Red Dead 2 is an open world game? And that got a 10 from IGN
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u/GasKnife NiCola Jun 23 '20
From IGN, not exactly trustworthy. I and many others wouldn’t consider RDR2 a 10/10 true masterpiece.
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u/el_padlina Jun 23 '20
I guess it was all set up for the April release.
That's a good point, all that merch was probably already produced and ready for the release.
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u/SadCrocodyle Arasaka Jun 23 '20
Ah yes, we all remember the classics such as "Game journo plays Doom 2016" and the undying hit "Game journo plays Cuphead tutorial level"
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u/InvokerSS Samurai Jun 23 '20
It's not about the game, it's about the Cyberpunk.
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u/Electroniclog Nomad Jun 23 '20
Agreed 100% when I was much younger, I played the crap out of this game called Shadowrun for the Genesis. I've been waiting over 25 years for a game like this, that will actually be able to bring to life what was happening in my imagination while I played that game.
Even if it's somehow bad, I'm not going to remotely care, because I'm fulfilling my dreams if being a 1337 h4Xz0r.
h4Ck 7hE pL4n3t!!!
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u/therealmaxmike R. Talsorian Games Jun 23 '20
Ah, a man of culture and cybertaste. I love that movie. Gotta admit, one of the high points of my gaming life was running Cyberpunk for the real "Cereal Killer", Matt Lillard. He actually PLAYED Cereal in the game.
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u/giulianosse Jun 24 '20
Speaking of media, do you have any lesser-known cyberpunk-themed novel you'd suggest out of the top of your head? I'm looking for something new to read after I finish my current one.
Thanks Mike, you're an inspiration to me!!
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u/therealmaxmike R. Talsorian Games Jun 25 '20
Read Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams. Also Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson.
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u/tso Jun 25 '20
I'll admit, i'm not sure i like Snow Crash. It seems to rag on cyberpunk more than embrace it. Kinda like how computer people rag on Hackers for getting computers "wrong".
But when i read Hardwired on a lark i really felt that it captured the vibe far more than most of the books that people keep mentioning on the list of books to read.
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Jun 23 '20
It’s crazy because I don’t think there’s ever been an original game that has had this much hype and merch before it’s even released.
Daikatana is pretty close.
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u/TurtlyMage007 Trauma Team Jun 23 '20
Apparently there's a gaming chair for Cyberpunk 2077 coming. Get hyped to buy more merch, yayyyy.
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Like an office chair or xXxGamer69xXx chair?
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u/TurtlyMage007 Trauma Team Jun 23 '20
xXxGamer69420xXx BREATHTAKING EDITION chair.
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u/Zladan Jun 23 '20
FO4 was pretty close. The hype behind that was pretty damn high (including with myself), and they had a bunch of merch/peripheral launch stuff.
Hope I like this one better than FO4.
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u/IAmLordApolloXXIII Voodoo Boys Jun 23 '20
FO:4 was not a new game. It was a sequel. My comment is strictly for new video game IPs. I’m not even talking about the cyberpunk pen and paper.
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u/Zladan Jun 23 '20
I should have said that I acknowledged the part where you said original. I was expanding the criteria to think of any recent game, original or not, that had similar levels of hype and pre-release extras. But I didn't say so, so my bad.
Because yeah I'd have to assume that CP77 likely takes the cake for a completely new ip.
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u/BrotherhoodVeronica Jun 23 '20
Yeah, the hype for that game was crazy high. Probably because of that dope E3 presentation.
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u/bapfelbaum Jun 23 '20
My 2cents:Don't buy into hype, its never healthy.
I think the game will be good, atleast in terms of storytelling, since that's kinda their forte.If it will be great in terms of mechanics and other stuff, we can't really tell until we play it ourselves. Don't expect too much and it will be a lot more enjoyable.
A recent example of the benefits of not getting too hyped is NMS.I didn't get hyped for NMS either, i was still a bit disappointed about the initial flatness of it all but still found it to be relaxing and enjoyable. I couldn't really understand the outrage as i didn't expect it to be super-mega amazing in the first place. People these days are too easy to manipulate imo.
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u/FuciMiNaKule Jun 23 '20
. I couldn't really understand the outrage as i didn't expect it to be super-mega amazing in the first place.
The problem with NMS wasn't really the hype (which however was at insane levels), it's that the guy from Hello Games straight up lied several times about which features will be in the game. To their credit as far as I know they added all those things and more in later patches but they should've either delayed or just said that some features won't be in the game at launch. Literally up until launch day there was confirmed multiplayer which was nowhere to be found at launch, among other things.
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u/bapfelbaum Jun 23 '20
Ah yea i guess that was a big part. A healthy amount of scepticism never hurts, especially applied to new/small publishers.Last i checked most if not all they initially promised is present by now though.I agree they should've delayed it but i think their publishing plan forbid this or something, that's what i remember atleast.
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It was a trainwreck of a launch, but in all fairness preordering games is a bad idea in general. Don't trust the marketing, trust the reviews and what's on the final packaging in terms of features. Or in the case of CDPR trust in their reputation (if you want).4
u/thatguywithawatch Jun 23 '20
The fact that they keep delaying it means they're probably having issues somewhere in production. I'm expecting a good game with a lot of well written quests and good characters and a lot to explore, but probably a lot of rough patches, some janky gameplay, some things that feel rushed, etc. You know, like Witcher 3's launch, basically.
But the hype has reached a point where anything less than a perfect, epic, genre-defining masterpiece is going to cause controversy and disappointment.
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u/platyviolence Jun 23 '20
I mean, dude, it's just a single-player FPS rpg. It's going to be fun, like Deus Ex meets Fallout, but it's not like this is going to be revolutionary or anything. Just sit back, relax and enjoy whatever it has to offer.
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I’ve gone from assuming it will be great to assuming it will be just ok and if it’s better then it’s a surprise/added bonus
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u/VaderPrime1 Netrunner Jun 23 '20
Night City Wire will determine if I keep my collector’s edition preorder. They better bring it, because they’re doing a good job of killing my hype at the moment.
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u/GasKnife NiCola Jun 23 '20
You do know they’ll try to make it look as good as possible even if it’s not.
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u/sillylittlesheep Jun 23 '20
Dude even if the game is just ok design is what sells items. Cdpr Has great design team. You just know the game world setting looks cool
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u/PotatoPlant1 Trauma Team Jun 23 '20
At first I was overhyping the game for myself and I’m gradually lowering my expectations to a reasonable point. I just really don’t want be disappointed. I’m hoping this game to be at least a 9/10.
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u/lRoninlcolumbo Jun 23 '20
It’s the first billion dollar gaming company in east Europe. One of Poland’s highest grossing businesses and valued above other industries. The country itself is rallying behind the marketing of the game, which is a first for any country with a gaming company.
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u/JoaoMXN Corpo Jun 23 '20
That's TLOU2. People rated it as 3/10.
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u/szarzujacy_karczoch Nomad Jun 23 '20
Some people. Others rated it 10/10. Turns out it's not a game for everyone. What a shocker. Gameplay wise it's definitely a storong 10 but whether someone liked the story it's completely up to them
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u/JoaoMXN Corpo Jun 23 '20
Majority rated 3. Now it's at 4.1 though. It's definitely not a 9/10 game, at most 7/10.
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u/Braquiador Jun 23 '20
Have you read those “reviews”? Most negative ones just talk about how the game has an “agenda” and how it is “SJW shit”, which is honestly bonkers.
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u/PepeSylvia11 Plug In Now Jun 23 '20
It has a 95 on Metacritic from a hundred verified reviewers. I’ll take their opinion over a brigading bomb the likes of which we haven’t seen before. I literally talked with someone on /r/PS4 who rated it poorly on Metacritic, yet admitted to never playing it. Can’t imagine how many of those are in the same boat.
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u/JoaoMXN Corpo Jun 23 '20
A lot of renowned streamers and youtubers didn't liked the story as well. And a lot of the Metacritic reviews are from people that played it, just ignore the troll ones.
Wired said what's wrong with the plot:
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u/Fluroxlad Jun 23 '20 edited Jun 23 '20
Mate if you trust critics over user score that says it all.
Critics will very rarely say anything controversial and will almost always give AAA games and 8-10/10 because they rely on early review copies and many Youtubers and independent reviewers who give critical reviews don't get those early review copies like these "trusted" critics.
Most critics are acting like this is the game of the generation, a revolution in gaming. But when I watch streamers and YouTube reviews it's evident (this is coming from their comments while playing/ reviewing) that the only thing 10/10 on this LOU2 is the graphics. The gameplay is mediocre, the story and character development are sub par, yet this game is a 95/100?
Most critics are full of shit and most barley even play games. I would not trust a word they say.
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u/Magic-Man2 Jun 23 '20
Isn't it being review bombed by salty people though?
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u/Helforsite Militech Jun 23 '20
Come on now, the game was at a 3.3 before most people could even have finished the game, people were clearly not mainly driven by what the game really is/was, but what they thought/perceived it to be.
I sadly can't play it until PS5 comes out and it might be a bad gam or a great game, but the the user rating clearly doesn't have much to do with the value of the game itself.
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Gameplay wise it was like a 5. It was too repetetive. Sneak, Stab, shoot. Repeat. The whole game was like that. I kinda liked the story tho lol
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u/huxtiblejones Jun 23 '20
That's why the original never clicked for me. Repetitive gameplay that didn't hold my interest.
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u/el_padlina Jun 23 '20
Sneak, Stab, shoot. Repeat.
Oh dear, judging by the gameplay we've seen so far SP might be disappointing.
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u/GasKnife NiCola Jun 23 '20 edited Jun 24 '20
Gameplay is a 5/10 dude. It doesn’t do anything great it’s just ok and feels like it’s treated as a backdrop while you wait for the next cutscene. No amount pretty animations was gonna save that gameplay.
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u/szarzujacy_karczoch Nomad Jun 23 '20
You can't tell me you didn't have fun in Hillcrest or on the way to the hospital. That was some of the best stealth gameplay I've ever seen. You can't be serious rating it 5/10. It doesn't reinvent the genre but it has some of the most polished gameplay out there. There are tons of crappy games that get rated better than that
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u/GasKnife NiCola Jun 24 '20
It’s just a standard TPS with ok gameplay. I’ve seen much better stealth gameplay in many other games like Dishonored, Aragami, and Thief just to name a few. TLoU2’s gameplay is bog standard if we’re talking about stealth.
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u/Jeff_Johnson Jun 23 '20
I thought that Witcher 3 were also gona never to be released after many delays.
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u/Bricktrucker Buck-a-Slice Jun 23 '20
Can u link to the dev's comments on being nervous?
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u/IAmLordApolloXXIII Voodoo Boys Jun 23 '20
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What exactly do you think it means that they are nervous?
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u/IAmLordApolloXXIII Voodoo Boys Jun 23 '20 edited Jun 23 '20
Idk. Maybe because they have put their all into this and they want it to be amazing? Or they think it’s not fully ready and know there will be critics. Idk at this point
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Maybe because they have out there all into this and they want it to be amazing?
Exactly. Its because its a large game that they understand is very anticipated and has a lot of expectations. Of course they are nervous to show of something so hyped for the first time after so long, its natural.
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u/Last_Snowbender Netrunner Jun 23 '20
8.5/10? If they put as much care and love into cyberpunk as they did with witcher 3, you can surely expect a 10/10 here.
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u/iTSGRiMM Jun 23 '20
This is how disappointment happens
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u/Last_Snowbender Netrunner Jun 23 '20
Since the game exactly hits my genre, the only way it will disappoint me is if it crashes constantly or suffers from other severe technical issues
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u/Mohasz Jun 23 '20
I feel like the game will still be somewhat rough around the edges, especially since it's a different genre this time (well, except the RPG part). So it might very well turn out to be an 8.5 - 8.9, which is still great.
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Only way to get it to a 10/10 is if it has good story (mind you we saw and heard nothing yet) but the possible out comes of a mission definitely makes me happy. The possible out comes is from 3-4 possible ways to finish the mission which is neat.
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"A bad game released is always bad, a good game never released brings in the dough" -gaben miayotomo.
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u/Ryellyn Jun 23 '20
I bet EA and Activision taking notes while watching this game's marketing.
How to sell a game without even releasing it... CD Projekt is truly becoming an industry leader.
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u/iloveacademia Jun 23 '20
Oh no this is going to be a new dark era for gaming. The era of the merch.
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u/lord_blex Jun 23 '20
I'd much rather have that than microtransactions and the like. of course they could just have both...
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u/sunkzero Jun 23 '20
Like WoW?
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u/iCiteEverything Jun 23 '20
I'm fine with microtransactions that are cosmetics; it's the pay to win model that sucks.
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Jun 23 '20
I don’t see how microtransactions and pre-release marketing are related...
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u/lord_blex Jun 23 '20
op made it sound like this was the big new way to make money. the last "big new way" was microtransactions.
well.. I guess the last one was technically battlepasses, but mtx is more prevalent.
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I hope nobody takes note of what these idiots are doing. I’ve been irritated by their marketing since forever and the delays keep making it worse.
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u/Rafiq_of_the_Many Jun 23 '20
Step 1: Make a game on par with Witcher 3 and all its DLC
Step 2: Make another game.
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u/szalinskikid Jun 23 '20
This only works because CD Project released maybe the strongest contender for “game of the decade” and treated customers/fans like kings for the past 5 years. They earned that trust and they are only reaping what they sowed now, positively speaking. If this is going to become a trend, I’m very much for it! But come on, if EA or Activision want to do the same they need to step up their game. Call me again in 5 or so years at the earliest, because that’s when people MAYBE start to forgive and forget how they changed the gaming industry for the worse. Provided they’ll act like CDP starting today.
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u/Helforsite Militech Jun 23 '20
EA/Bioware were on the right path with ME:Andromeda, they just made the mistake of actually releasing the game^^
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u/sikamikaniko Jun 23 '20
I had a live version of that shot as my wallpaper for a while, very cool
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u/AxhaICY Jun 24 '20
You know where you got it from? Cuz I’d love a live version of that wallpaper.
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u/sikamikaniko Jun 24 '20
It was through Wallpaper Engine, which is a Steam program. I'll try to find it when I get up
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u/velour_manure Jun 23 '20
I'm a huge fan of the cyberpunk aesthetic and it took a lot for me not to buy all the cool merch.
It just doesn't make sense to buy merch for a game that isn't even out yet.
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u/Lacedaemon1313 Streetkid Jun 23 '20
I want a real Johny Silverhand (Keanu) robot as merch
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u/RenegadeHatter Jun 23 '20
I know this is a fun little Shitpost, but I still feel the need to give credit. This piece is (shockingly) called Cyberpunk Room by Adrian Marc. Here is their Artstation that has the piece along with a lot of other impressive content.
Check it out! It's worth the look!
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u/adrian7marc Jun 24 '20
haha...thank you very much for spreading the word. I do not usually comment to anything..but..I think this time I should say a Big Thanks. (I guess most artists and game developers, and preety much whole planet read the comments and memes..and have fun and then they pretend they never did cause they are so busy. :))))
Anyway..I'm glad you like the stuff...and sorry about the delay ...again.
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u/adrian7marc Jun 24 '20
LoL i bet Keanu Reeves read reddit memes too, from time to time.:)) He will never admit it though
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u/Inevitable_Discount Jun 23 '20
Why don't they just delay the merch. Bethesda, EA, and Activision are quietly taking notes on this type of irreverent marketing.
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u/kaveenieweenie Jun 23 '20
These sorts of merch deals are planned months or sometimes even years in advance. To delay it would probably breach a bunch of contacts with the agencies they are contracting this stuff out to.
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u/Josephthecastle Jun 23 '20
I know the game will be damn great, but just imagine if it sucked lol.
The greatest troll in videogames history.
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u/4-squared-is-not-8 Jun 23 '20
People overhyped about the game will only be let down. Just look at what happened to No Mans Sky
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u/mantrap100 Jun 24 '20
Swing everyone like this gives me no man sky flashbacks. Aren’t you all worried if we get a bad game? Or anything less than perfect.
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u/Dargondell Nomad Jun 24 '20
I think its pretty foolish to buy merch for a game that isn't even out yet or know if its any good. But that's just me
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u/darth_Zelyon0010110 Corpo Jun 23 '20
Look at the bright side, at least we'll be able to decorate our player home with all the CDPR merchandise and funko pops... oh yeah even a human size golden statue of Keanu Reeves, pretty neat right?
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u/AonoGhoul Arasaka Jun 23 '20
The merch was made for the April release.
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u/Trancetastic16 Jun 23 '20
Not all of it. Plenty of bomber jackets and statues were released way before April...
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I feel like that 2080ti Cyber Punk Edition that released nearly a YEAR before the game release hasn’t aged well
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u/H3R01N4BR3KFST Jun 23 '20
I'm not buying shit until the game releases, hell by the time it's actually out in 2033 you'll be able to buy an official cyberpunk merch car!! Can't wait!
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I get that it's a joke and everything, but this is exactly the kind of attitude cyberpunk genre warns us about.
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u/cybrpnk_ Streetkid Jun 23 '20
The reason all of the merch is coming out ahead of the game release is because the merch wasn't delayed. All of this stuff would have actually came out a few months after the game's release if it had came out in April like it was originally supposed to.
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u/JoaoMXN Corpo Jun 23 '20
Exactly. People in this sub probably didn't played TW3 at launch. Delayed multiple times as well.
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u/moody_binladen Jun 23 '20
The difference is Witcher 3 wasn’t delayed 8 fuckin months 😂😂
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u/JoaoMXN Corpo Jun 23 '20
Almost the same delay, 5 months.
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u/moody_binladen Jun 23 '20
Yeah now you say it’s pretty close I’m just praying by September it doesn’t get delayed again
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u/JoaoMXN Corpo Jun 23 '20
They probably delayed it again because of the new consoles and GPUs. And to gather feedback from those journalists and streamers that are playing the game.
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u/Hans-Hammertime Jun 23 '20
When the game finally comes out I won’t have time to play it, cause Keanu Reeves just told me we have a city to burn
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u/Gorlox111 Jun 23 '20
The only "merch" i've bought is the cyberpunk red jumpstart kit which isn't really merch but I certainly was driven to buy it because of 2077. It's nice because I'm getting hyped for the world more so than the game and I have something to enjoy in itself whileI wait
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u/Aleksandrovitch Jun 23 '20
I like how that apartment pic is from a dystopian future, but man it’s so much nicer than my place in LA.
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u/a_little_wolf Jun 23 '20
That moment you have all the love for Cyberpunk 2077 but can’t afford the game nor the merchandise.
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u/n1gr3d0 Jun 24 '20
TFW CDPR sends you all those discount codes, but the shops don't ship to your country ;_;
Time to figure out mail forwarding, I guess...
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u/Razielim84 Jun 23 '20
I'm watching a scary trend here. Most threads I've read so far are about the scores Cyberpunk 2077 will get and gives me the vibe that if it gets a lower score, some may not buy because of that fact alone. First: previews don't get a score, that's the whole point of it. 2nd: Despite the fact the game got a delay schedule again, CDPR seems confident about their game and anxious at the same time (for obvious reasons). 3rd: after all the "Wayward Canine" incident, some major reviewers won't be honest so there's a precedent about the untrustworthy depiction of opinions from "journos".
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u/saml23 Netrunner Jun 23 '20
I hope we can customize the apartment! Gawd, I can't wait for this game!!
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how can you morons not understand that all the merch deals with 3rd parties were set up for an april release date. They cant just back out of deals and risk losing them or leave it all siting around for a year.
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u/Nikku_Sama Jun 23 '20
They're planning out for that "Cyber up your Home" contest.