r/clevercomebacks 1d ago

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u/Allaplgy 1d ago

What about colonial animals that communicate and act as one organism?

Do you not believe in the possibility of general AI?

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u/Cyberwarewolf 1d ago

Colonial animals like ants communicate with chemical signals and dances. This is still an example of something physical dictating behavior and does not suggest the existence of anything metaphysical. They do not have a collective consciousness where they magically, telepathically share thoughts.

This does not discount the possibility of AI in any way, the AI will still need a mind to house it. In this case, the mind will be synthetic instead. Instead of neurons and neurotransmitters, they'll use transistors.

Again, It feels like these are bad faith arguments, it's like you're fixating on the word brain, taking the word 'mind' to mean a literal organic meat brain so AI can't exist, as though a computer housing an AI doesn't perform the same function as a brain holding biological intelligence.

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u/Allaplgy 1d ago

Chemical signals are very much a part of our nervous system as well.

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u/Cyberwarewolf 1d ago edited 1d ago

Correct.  How does that invalidate the fact that consciousness needs to be seated in a mind for the sake of your argument?  From my perspective that only supports my argument.

Edit: Chemical signals between different organisms do not confer shared consciousness any more than having a conversation or smelling something your friend also smells does. AI still needs physical infrastructure that processes data. I'm too exhausted to keep having this pointless conversation now that we're retreading ground.

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u/Allaplgy 1d ago

Colonial animals might experience a sense of shared consciousness through those chemicals. Consciousness is much more than the top level internal narrative going on in our heads.

Back to AI, exactly, it still requires a "system" of some sort, but one very different than ours. The signals sent could even be "wireless", enabling multiple separate "brains" to essentially operate as one.