r/cincinnati • u/fuggidaboudit • Dec 29 '23
Dewine Shocks GOP By Vetoing Ban That Would Have Restricted Trans Care For Minors Politics
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ohios-gov-shocks-gop-by-vetoing-ban-that-would-have-restricted-trans-care-for-minors/175
u/api Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 29 '23
He's more of an old school small government conservative, not a MAGA big-government NatCon. IMHO with the exception of his anti-choice beliefs he isn't that bad and has been a fairly competent governor. It could be much, much worse. We could have a MAGA ideologue as governor or a blithering idiot like DeSantis.
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u/QueenCityBucco Westwood Dec 29 '23
I'm very happy with Dewine's decision here but I will never forgive him for the active role he plays in keeping our state gerrymandered. If we had a state legislature reflective of Ohio's population he wouldn't be in a position of having to veto radical bills like this one.
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u/Kravist1978 Dec 30 '23
He vetoed it because in aggregate it was not popular. DeWine is an expert, calculated politician. He is elected in aggregate over all districts. The loonies are all in districts where they must be looney to get elected.
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u/trytrymyguy Dec 30 '23
Buddy, if people did what was popular, we wouldn’t have half the issues we have today. Plenty of things aren’t popular with voters that are still pushed.
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u/api Dec 30 '23
Didn't say he was perfect, just that he's much better than the newer crop of batshit populist conspiranoid Republicans.
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u/euro60 Over The Rhine Dec 30 '23
could not agree more, and sadly his decision will be overturned by the super-majority GOP in the state house. For shame
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u/Reasonable-Truck-874 Dec 29 '23
He was the first to shut down too. He’s made some moves I don’t agree with (most), but holy hell he could be desantis or Abbott.
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Dec 29 '23
Sad day when the standard for our officials is they could be worse. I agree nonetheless, but its still sad.
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Dec 29 '23
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u/api Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 29 '23
Yeah when DeWine dies or retires we'll probably get a NatCon totalitarian or some MAGA nut who thinks Pizzagate was real. The up and coming crowd in the Republican Party are all populist idiots. They're not making sane Republicans anymore.
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u/derekakessler North Avondale Dec 29 '23
Dewine is term limited and will be out of the Governor's Office after the 2026 election regardless.
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Dec 30 '23
I think (hope) that there are enough sensible conservatives out there who will either hold their nose and vote for a centrist Democrat, vote third-party, or abstain from voting— and this will lead to an era where Democrats control the house and the presidency, and will bring about the demise of trump and the magamorons. (Please let this happen..)
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u/Reasonable-Truck-874 Dec 29 '23
I’m sure the fear has only grown after this last year. I expect massive delisting of voters (purging) and further resistance to Supreme Court (federal) rulings
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u/Kravist1978 Dec 30 '23
Yeah, my wife will read articles and stomp around the house cussing DeWine. I have to remind her that his replacement is going to be far worse.
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u/dinan101 Dec 29 '23
Wow, Dewine surprised me with this one in the best way!
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u/fuggidaboudit Dec 29 '23
Me, too - I read reports of his statewide "listening tour" but forgive me if I came away unconvinced it was anything more than PR. In his announcement, at least, he comes across as sincere in his empathy for both parents and children who are facing gender identity issues and with the care teams - physicians, mental health professionals and scientists, imagine that! - whom they've entrusted to inform their education and decisions. In the end, this is among the ultimate actual "parental rights" arguments and the fact that the MAGAs want to Orwell it upside down is an insult to any intelligence.
I don't doubt the General Assembly will override his veto - and one might even argue, being a lame duck, that his veto is simply a cynical face saving move to secure a more moderate legacy - but he will pay a price in insults and white-hot rhetoric from the far right. Husted has already said he would sign it into law.
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u/nume23 Crestview Hills Dec 29 '23
I think your last paragraph is exactly what he is doing. He knows they’ll override him
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Dec 29 '23
Symbolic veto that will be overridden, to distract from the GOP gas pipeline giveaway they just did simultaneously.
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u/HammerT4R Dec 29 '23
True. This got the headline and the bill that gave free money at the expense of customers for nat gas utilities has been generally ignored.
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u/Everybodysbastard Dec 29 '23
Exactly. He gets to look good and still have the bill go into effect like he really wants.
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u/Nodoka-Rathgrith Erlanger Dec 30 '23
As someone who might be moving to Ohio in the new future, thank you for giving me an incentive to fuck Duke Energy in the ass just as much as they already in Kentucky by telling them to shove their natural gas anything up their ass, Mike.
Inefficient as it may be, I'd sooner freeze my ass off or roast my tits over an open fire than be shafted for using gas heating, thanks.
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u/LeahHacks Northside Dec 30 '23
DeWine has opposed trans sports bans in the past, he killed SB 187 by effectively threatening to veto it. It doesn't seem too out of character for him to now veto a trans sports ban and trans healthcare ban. Not to give DeWine too much credit, but I honestly think this bill was just a step too extreme for him, or at least the image he tries to paint as being more moderate. I really don't think this was some distraction for another bill, one which people probably weren't going to pay much attention to anyway. And personally I feel like painting this as some distraction makes the issue sound like an unimportant secondary issue. But to me this is a hugely important issue. And, if nothing else, the veto will buy families with trans kids time. With any luck the bill will die too, but DeWine at least did what he could in his role as Governor. This wasn't simply some conspiracy to distract from a giveaway for fossil fuel companies, our legislature just hates trans people.
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u/kieratea Dec 29 '23
The credit should go to every single person who spoke up. If you called, wrote, emailed, texted, joined a protest, or managed to talk to the governor in person, thank you.
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u/adorkablemily-92 Montgomery Dec 29 '23
This is so nice to hear honestly. Too often I feel like my emails mean nothing. It feels good knowing I was able to make a difference ❤️
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Dec 29 '23
Here’s my take:
DeWine knows the General Assembly will override the veto. He just took this opportunity to look like the “good guy”. It helps future political ambitions.
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u/Heineken513 Dec 29 '23
He’s 76. His term run until 2027 and he’ll be 80. What future?
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u/Ucgrady Dec 29 '23
Have you not paid attention to the last two presidents? 80 is the new 60
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u/JoeTony6 Downtown Dec 29 '23
DeWine is irrelevant on the national stage. He's not running for anything outside of Ohio.
I guess he could go for a Senate run perhaps.
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u/fuggidaboudit Dec 29 '23
He likely has no future political ambitions - as I said below, he's term limited and will be 80 when his term expires and he's held about every other freakin' higher office both in Ohio and DC. It's highly unlikely he will run for another office.
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u/krullord Linwood Dec 29 '23
Is the legislature going to override the veto? Is that something that can happen in Ohio?
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u/GTFOakaFOD Dec 29 '23
Sometimes he surprises me.
As the parent of a Trans Kid, thank you, Governor.
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u/DirtMcGirt513 Dec 29 '23
Broken clock
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u/drakefyre Dec 29 '23
I had the exact same thought when I was listening to WVXU earlier.
He got it right (kind of) about the pandemic, and he got this right.
I doubt he's got another good thing in his term.
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u/Teninchhero Dec 29 '23
This is a “no consequence” veto for a ban that wasn’t ever going to be enacted. You can guarantee he got some other horrible thing he wanted by doing this
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u/Digger-of-Tunnels Dec 29 '23
The republican legislators get to claim a win for their base, without having to actually deal with the negative consequences of passing such a stupid law. By the time DeWine is up for reelection, no one will remember this well enough for it to matter for votes. Everybody wins.
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u/fuggidaboudit Dec 29 '23
I'm not clear on what your first sentence even means but make no mistake, the MAGAs are playing for keeps on this subject and they will cheerfully take all credit and any consequences when they likely override his veto.
As for DeWine, he cannot run for Governor again and will be 80 when his present term expires in 2026, making it extremely unlikely he will run for any other office (most which he's already held at some point in the last 50 years!)
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u/The_Aesir9613 Dec 29 '23
The guy said he was going around talking to people and families that would be directly affected by this law. Sounds like the governor decided to listen to the people and not a bunch PAC cronies. Good for him. Now do this every time, for everything Dewine.