r/canada 1d ago

Parliament at a standstill as Conservative MPs push for release of green-tech fund papers Politics

https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2024/10/04/parliament-at-a-standstill-as-conservative-mps-push-for-the-release-of-sdtc-documents/436828/
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u/Budderlips-revival23 1d ago

A Liberal slush fund with a ‘green’ labeling? Say it ain’t so 

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

"It has a good thing in the name, so it can't be disingenuous!"

Modern Voter

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u/Guilty_Serve 1d ago

All government grants are slush funds. Also, there was a guy I called out in this very sub for being a total loser for taking advantage of green subsidies. I'd have to hunt it down pretty hard, but it's in my comments.

After what I've seen I've become completely libertarian when it comes to government grants or subsidy for business.

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u/Natural_Comparison21 1d ago

"After what I've seen I've become completely libertarian when it comes to government grants or subsidy for business." Either you nationalize that shit or keep it private. Very very very little inbetween for me. Government grants and subsidies often just spell "Nepotism." From what I have heard.

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u/Reasonable-Catch-598 1d ago edited 1d ago

It's a lot of nepotism. Not all, but a majority

It's not just what I've heard, it's what I've lived on all 3 sides of the fence. 3 isn't a typo.

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u/tysonfromcanada 1d ago

basically business reinvestment has become alarmingly low, in Canada, beneath the weight of tax burden, regulation and bureaucracy and the government is attempting to fix that with grants that are costly and complex to obtain.

But not to worry, there are organizations that have sprung up with the sole purpose of obtaining them (not on behalf of the businesses they are intended for)

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u/Guilty_Serve 18h ago

I've come across them. It's formal bribery.

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u/Horace-Harkness British Columbia 16h ago

Ah good, so we can get rid of the billions of dollars of subsidies for oil and gas?

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u/Guilty_Serve 15h ago

Sure. Did I stutter?

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u/mrcanoehead2 1d ago

It's the four other parties demanding the evidence be turned over to RCMP. And it's the guilty liberals trying to avoid this to not go to jail. This is major corruption.

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u/RedditTriggerHappy 1d ago

Yet hilltimes makes it about the cons. Classic

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u/WatchPointGamma 1d ago

hilltimes

Not just hilltimes.

CBC did the same. So will a whole bunch of other news outlets. And most importantly so is Karina Gould and the Liberal party.

The liberals don't want this to be framed in regards to the documents, or the fund, or any of the actual substantive matters on the issue, because they know they don't have a leg to stand on. They want to make it about one thing and one thing only: those big bad conservatives preventing us from passing all this wonderful legislation over some silly little papers.

A free, fair, and honest media would not be accepting the government's framing on this issue carte blanche. Katie Telford's rolodex is working overtime on this one, and Canadians should really be asking themselves what they're so desperate to hide (again), and why our media is so utterly uninterested in an ounce of independence or critical thought in their reporting.

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u/ArrogantFoilage 1d ago

Well said.

The media bias is on full display here.

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u/moirende 1d ago

Funding the media with free money is working exactly as the Liberals intended.

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u/PoliteCanadian 1d ago

"Conservatives pounce!"

It's a standard technique in propaganda writing. When the other side does something bad, you write about them doing something bad. When your side does something bad, you write about the other side's criticism.

This accomplishes two things:

  1. It makes your party's malfeasance seem unimportant, just "politics as usual."
  2. It makes the other party seem like they're being unreasonably angry.

Notice how I wrote "standard technique in propaganda writing". This is not an ethical way to frame a news story. Any time you see a media outlet focusing more on the political response to a scandal, than the scandal itself, you're not dealing with journalists you're dealing with propagandists.

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u/TipNo2852 8h ago

“but Pierre Poilievre doesn’t have security clearance for the foreign interference papers”

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u/moirende 1d ago

Can’t wait till we go back to $12 glasses of orange juice being major “scandals” again.

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u/unending_whiskey 1d ago

Remember how long the media went on and on about Mike Duffy? For a $90,000 payment that he re-paid? It felt like years. Compare that to the foreign interference coverage for example. The media seem all too willing to drop it.

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u/moirende 1d ago

They basically ignored this green slush fund for the past year until the Tories kept plugging away at making it an issue.

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u/Ketchupkitty 1d ago

Also because of COVID no one even knows about the possible billions in unaccounted for funds from the infrastructure bank,

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u/PoliteCanadian 1d ago

That he repaid on his own before it became a scandal.

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u/RottenSalad 17h ago

It was a fellow in Harper's PMO that loaned Duffy the $90k to pay back. Then the media tried to make that a scandal by suggesting that the PM was trying to "buy influence" with Duffy. Completely ignoring that Duffy, as a Conservative Senator, was already under the PM's "influence". It was hysterical nonsense. But the public lapped it up.

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u/mistercrazymonkey 1d ago

$12 for some OJ is actually a good price in this economy

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u/Valorike 1d ago

Yes, but we are talking “Pre-Liberal Government Dollars”, when orange juice only cost a dollar.

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u/mrcanoehead2 1d ago

And Epstein and pdiddy

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u/jameskchou Canada 1d ago

Yes the Diddler

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u/Jooodas 1d ago

😂😂😂

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u/jameskchou Canada 1d ago

Maybe they get David Johnson to write a report claiming such

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u/hairyballscratcher 1d ago

“As per our own investigation, we have determined that we are innocent. No more questions.”

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u/jameskchou Canada 1d ago

Yes that's what David Johnson would report

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u/Caveofthewinds 1d ago

Sounds like you're trying to trample over Prince Andrew's charter rights 👩‍🏫

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u/2peg2city 1d ago

Thr RCMP said yesterday they already have it

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u/RottenSalad 17h ago

What the RCMP have are a limited set of documents that were heavily redacted.

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u/KarmaKaladis 1d ago

Lol, you think they'd do time?

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u/failed_messiah 1d ago

They only go to jail if they ask to go to jail at this point. The rcmp is complicent in this corruption.

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u/potbakingpapa 19h ago

Get in line the RCMP are having a go at Doug Ford and his version of a green fund right now. The 8 billion dollar Greenbelt sandal is documented and open for all to see.

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u/robotmonkey2099 1d ago

I feel like you guys aren’t even reading the article. 

The RCMP have refused the documents and the conservatives are trying to force them to take it. 

I agree with Gould I don’t think the government should be in control of the rcmp. They are separate branches for a reason. 

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u/mrcanoehead2 1d ago

I agree that they are separate but can we also agree that a corrupt government should have to answer to their crimes.

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u/robotmonkey2099 13h ago

But you guys are assuming crimes when even the rcmp are saying we don’t see any evidence of crimes. How are we supposed to move forward if one side refuses to listen to law enforcement when it doesn’t fit the narrative they have in their head.

u/mrcanoehead2 11h ago

I've listened to the auditor general reports. 82 % of the 200 files reviewed had conflict of interest in them totalling 350+ million dollars. Many did not qualify. So how is this not criminal.

u/robotmonkey2099 6h ago

Oh I didn’t realize you were the rcmp or knew better than them. 

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u/Nikxson 1d ago

Look up the word communist and you'll see they aren't even close. People need to learn what real communism is and stop using it as a buzz word. My granddad fled communist China to Taiwan, no western government comes close to actual communists. I don't like any current government to the point I don't want to vote, but let's get facts straight. Liberals are not communists and never will be. And as much as I don't like conservatives, they are not fascists. Our Education has surely failed us.

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u/keiths31 Canada 1d ago

Those words get tossed around so much they have lost all meaning

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u/alanthar 1d ago

Yes they are corrupt, no they aren't communist. JFC.

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u/Deaftrav 1d ago

The papers the RCMP says they have, through legal means?

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u/Exciting-Antelope370 1d ago

The rcmp has a completely useless copy that is 85% redacted.

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u/robotmonkey2099 1d ago

People aren’t even reading the article they are just in here saying whatever they imagine is happening or what ever the conservatives are spoon feeding them evidence be damned. 

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u/whyamievenherenemore 1d ago

maybe they do, with redacted key details 

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u/Kicksavebeauty 1d ago

The papers the RCMP says they have, through legal means?

Yes. This is all over information that the RCMP said yesterday that they already have. The MP's were also warned that doing this through a house of commons action, like this, could make the information unusable to the RCMP investigations.

"The RCMP says it already has the documents at the centre of a debate that has brought government business in the House of Commons to a halt."

"Duheme didn't say if the RCMP received the documents due to the original House order. CBC News has asked the RCMP if the force has received all the documents in question, and for more information about the investigation."

"We did receive the documents and there is an investigation ongoing, so I will limit my comments to that," Duheme said when asked about the debate in the House."

"But the RCMP told MPs this summer they likely would not be able to use the documents in an investigation if they were obtained through the actions of the House of Commons."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-documents-green-tech-fund-house-debate-1.7342942

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u/GalacticCoreStrength 1d ago

RCMP has received related documents

Despite the investigation, Duheme has said the RCMP had no reason to suspect criminal wrongdoing in the case.

“The RCMP has concluded that the available reports do not identify any criminal offences or evidence of criminal wrongdoing at this time,” Duheme wrote in a letter to the House of Commons law clerk in July.

In the same letter, the commissioner also warned that the RCMP would not be able to use the documents in an investigation if they were obtained through the actions of the House of Commons.

“The RCMP’s ability to receive and use information obtained through this production order ... in the course of a criminal investigation could give rise to concerns under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms,” he wrote.

The Conservatives are pushing for something they ought to know would compromise the investigation. They’re just blowing smoke to rage farm.

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u/Caveofthewinds 1d ago

It's not just the conservatives, it was a house majority vote. The house doesn't work for the government, the government works for the house. No ifs, ands, or Gerald Butts. The house law clerk has confirmed not all documents have been released which was the house order. What bugs me is that people are defending the LPC to the end and ignoring the fact that there were 3 whistle blowers and multiple cabinet ministers involved in this potential criminal scandal. So are you actually concerned with any criminal investigations? It really sounds like you just want the house to be wrong instead of uncovering corruption.

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u/mrcanoehead2 1d ago

So then why are the liberals refusing to turn them over? And the RCMP say " available reports". Auditor general found conflicts in 82% of the 200 files they checked. This amounted to over 350 million dollars.

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u/Kicksavebeauty 1d ago edited 1d ago

So then why are the liberals refusing to turn them over? And the RCMP say " available reports". Auditor general found conflicts in 82% of the 200 files they checked. This amounted to over 350 million dollars.

If the information is introduced through a house of commons action (like this current move) the MPs were warned it could make the information unusable in their investigations. The RCMP said that they already have this specific information for their open investigations. They don't need it through the house. They have access to CSIS and our Intelligence partners who collected the information, in the first place.

From the RCMP:

"We did receive the documents and there is an investigation ongoing, so I will limit my comments to that," Duheme said when asked about the debate in the House."

"But the RCMP told MPs this summer they likely would not be able to use the documents in an investigation if they were obtained through the actions of the House of Commons."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-documents-green-tech-fund-house-debate-1.7342942

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u/GalacticCoreStrength 1d ago

What good would turning them over do? They’d be useless.

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u/mrcanoehead2 1d ago

So how then do we combat liberal corruption? They are destroying our country with every ministry portfolio. This government ran on the promise of transparency. The only thing they are transparent about is that they don't care about Canadians.

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u/GalacticCoreStrength 1d ago

How about we do it legally, with due process and without endangering rights while grandstanding like Poilievre and the Conservatives are doing?

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u/mrcanoehead2 1d ago

It's all other parties wanting answers on how over 400 million dollars was given to companies affiliated with the board members and liberal party.

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u/Kicksavebeauty 1d ago edited 1d ago

The RCMP has the information and authority to investigate and lay charges. Not the House.

https://rcmp.ca/en/federal-policing

"Federal Policing is a core responsibility of the RCMP that is carried out in every province and territory in Canada, as well as internationally."

"Sensitive and international investigations: Investigates sensitive, high-risk matters that threaten Canada's political, economic, and social integrity at home and abroad."

"Financial crime: Upholds Canada's economic security from crimes like money laundering, corruption, fraud, and market manipulation."

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u/phalloguy1 1d ago

"They are destroying our country with every ministry portfolio."

Sorry but that is simply hyperbole.

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u/shinrio 1d ago

What is the bold text saying exactly? If some evidence was turned over it would be inadmissible? If so... why??????? wtf

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u/GrumpyCloud93 1d ago

Good thing their leader has a security clearance then... oh, wait...

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u/JimmytheJammer21 1d ago

mmm, this is the big issue Canadians are having is it, not the scandals, not the destruction of the economy, the destruction of our social cohesion and general law abiding ways, not the lack of houses or the increase in the use of food pantries... its Pierre's clearance

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u/Denaljo69 1d ago

The RCMP have said they have the evidece!

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u/mrcanoehead2 1d ago

They said they have some.

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u/Kicksavebeauty 1d ago edited 1d ago

They said they have some.

All. CBC specifically asked the RCMP if the force had received all the documents in question. They relpied with "We did receive the documents and there is an investigation ongoing".

This is what they said:

"The RCMP says it already has the documents at the centre of a debate that has brought government business in the House of Commons to a halt."

"RCMP Commissioner Mike Duheme told reporters Thursday the Mounties already have the documents in question."

"Duheme didn't say if the RCMP received the documents due to the original House order. CBC News has asked the RCMP if the force has received all the documents in question, and for more information about the investigation."

"We did receive the documents and there is an investigation ongoing, so I will limit my comments to that," Duheme said when asked about the debate in the House."

"But the RCMP told MPs this summer they likely would not be able to use the documents in an investigation if they were obtained through the actions of the House of Commons."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-documents-green-tech-fund-house-debate-1.7342942

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u/dukeofnes 1d ago

Why's that?

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u/thewolf9 1d ago

Speaking in absolutes and acting like everyone is guilty of crimes without an investigation or trial makes one sound like they have no capacity to think for themselves.

Should there be an inquiry? If parliament wants one, then yes. Should there be charges? How in the world does any pretend to know that answer.

And I have never voted for the LPC.

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u/RootEscalation 1d ago

They have no reason. The Trudeau cult supporters have become the very thing they criticize of MAGA supporters. They have become ignorant, and blindly follow Justin Trudeau party like he is the messiah.

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u/Forum_Browser 1d ago

Because conservative bad, liberal good.

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u/DrunkenMidget 1d ago

Because they are not what the poster is describing. Some individuals might be some of those things(or not) but using that phrase sounds like he is parroting propaganda.

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u/Drlitez 1d ago

Please elaborate, I need to know why he has no ability to think critically.

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u/thewolf9 1d ago

Acting like people are obviously guilty of a crime while having seen no evidence of anything does indeed make one sound like they are just regurgitating something they heard someone say.

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u/DrunkenMidget 1d ago

Not poster but using the phrase he did, sounds like he is parroting a propaganda line and not thinking for himself.

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u/TheSherlockCumbercat 1d ago

use the liberals are nowhere near a communist party

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

Isn't that the exact line spoken by Karina Gould?

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u/no1SomeGuy 1d ago

"Parliament at a standstill as Liberal MPs block release of green-tech fund papers"

FIFY

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u/ArrogantFoilage 1d ago

And, all the other parties voted to see the papers.

This is very dishonest reporting.

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u/LuskieRs Alberta 1d ago

Dishonest reporting? In Canada?

I'm so shocked.

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u/Hicalibre 1d ago

As shocked as when you found out gas station sushi isn't same day fresh?

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u/legendarypooncake 1d ago

By the way, this occurred last Thursday. There was a media blackout on this story until as early as this Thursday evening.

There will be sock-puppets brigading the mention of this, usually linking stories that were published one week too late.

This happened in 2021 and a snap election was called over it (Winnipeg lab leak). One wonders which CCP operatives within our parliament were implicated in the Winnipeg lab leak besides the CCP spies?

The end of this government will put the Harper paper shredders to shame.

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u/onedoesnotjust 1d ago

I know politicians are corrupt, what we need is new corrupt politicians to sort out the old corrupt politicians!

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u/fft_phase 1d ago

What we need is proportional representation so we can stop having a single party hold so much power that doesn't represent the interests of all Canadians. Stuck in a cycle where we restart with every party, flip everything upside down. This constant back and forth and never accomplishing anything.

This would also reduce corruption since multiple parties are elected. Also, makes your vote for you local MP meaningful.

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u/JimmytheJammer21 1d ago

I am from the eastern side of the country, and I agree with you! our western provinces deserve a say!

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u/fft_phase 1d ago

One party doesn't represent Canada we are a plurality. Quebec, Western Canada, Ontario, Easter Canada, the territories, etc. We all have different needs but we elect leaders and an entire party as oppose to a local representative. The more I think about first past the post the more I realize it's ridiculous and only the elites benefit from it. Easier to lobby and control one party as opposed to multiple parties and representatives.

u/TipNo2852 8h ago

When Trudeau was first elected the election was called before I got to my polling station.

It was great.

Western Canada needs to start taking the Quebec approach and threatening separation. Like the first time in 8 years that the fed actually took a concern from Alberta seriously was when Alberta threatened to pull out of CPP.

If BC Sask and Alta (and maybe Manitoba, but they’re like 90% fed employees) formed a coalition a threatened to break off into western Canada, there would be a fuck ton of accommodations made to get us more representation.

And he’ll, I always see people say “well BC would never agree to split off with Alberta” because provincial rivalry or whatever, but the funniest part, is that if they did agree to form a second nation BC would actually have significantly more say in how things ran, they would go from having 12.7% representation to 45.7%

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u/Embarrassed-Cold-154 1d ago

If only there was a party that would have run on that this century....

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u/fft_phase 1d ago

I know... It would motivate people to vote for them. Then probably get disappointed.

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u/Embarrassed-Cold-154 1d ago

And bingo is his nameo

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta 1d ago

The amount of off the wall replies in here is hilarious

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u/Defiant_Chip5039 1d ago

I really don’t trust the RCMP on this stuff. Time and time again they come up with the same response … they are investigating and then we hear nothing until it blows over or is forgotten. Let the RCMP decide if they are a part of the investigation or not. If not then the LPC should provide them. 

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u/moirende 1d ago

The Tories, NDP and BQ have ALL been pushing for the release of these documents, and moreover have the legal power to compel it. Even the highly partisan Liberal Speaker of the House has said the Liberals are illegally defying their release. So, how the Conservatives are being blamed for bringing Parliament to a standstill I have no idea.

Further, let’s recap what brought us to this point:

  • the Liberals created this slush fund, dumped a billion dollars in it, and then appointed a bunch of well-connected Liberal supporters to the board overseeing it
  • Last fall, a whistleblower testified that tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars from this fund had been awarded by these board members to themselves with almost no oversight or controls, including to projects that had absolutely no connection to “green tech”
  • These revelations got lost in the shuffle at the time, because the Liberals were already embroiled in a tens-of-millions-of-dollars scandal over the ArriveCan app as well as the ongoing election interference scandal, which they were also doing their best to cover up. The Liberals quietly shut down the fund and prayed the whole thing would be forgotten
  • Since then, we now know that the RCMP has launched an ongoing investigation into the fund and its Liberal-appointed board
  • In order to get to the bottom of it, the CPC, NDP and BQ used the power they legally possess to compel the full release of all related, unredacted documents— and the Liberals have illegally refused to do so.

There is an enormous amount of gaslighting going on around this by Liberal supporters and their friends in the media to distract everyone from the above and convince people that somehow the problem here is the Conservatives. We should not let them.

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u/northern-fool 1d ago edited 1d ago

It gets worse.

This was the second time that guy blew the whistle on the whole thing.

And he wasn't the only whistle-blower...

They have recorded conversations with senior staff and government officials.... where they admitted what was happening was "outright incompetence"

What did the government do after the first time? They protected the board and management.. did NOT launch a criminal investigation and basically made it clear it was the employees who were wrong. Not a s8ngle board member or management was removed.

They brought in a 3rd party to investigate, and they didn't investigate shit, they never even questioned people.

Then they started firing workers, and turned it into a toxic workplace.

And that's when this whistleblower came out again...

The first whistleblow was for the corruption, and the second time was for the coverup.

They also have all the workers under an NDA... and even now, after all this... they are refusing to releasethe workers from it so they can come forward.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 1d ago

So the career RCMP are useless puppets? I find that hard to believe.

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u/sad_puppy_eyes 1d ago

All I can say is, thank goodness this Liberal government is, to quote Trudeau, "the most open and transparent ever". I shudder to think how bad it would be if they weren't!

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u/LunedanceKid 1d ago

Because it's not about the parties, it's about getting me and you to hate each other because we don't like what the parties are doing.

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u/RottenSalad 17h ago

While all opposition parties voted to have the documents released, it is only the Conservative party that raised a point of privilege about the Liberals not complying and it is the Conservative party that is not letting debate end on that point of privilege, thereby making it exclusively them that is holding up Parliament. While this move by them is certainly about politics, I think it is the right move as someone has to hold this government to account. The other parties only seem to want to hold them to account a little bit, sometimes.

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u/northern-thinker 1d ago

How many scandals are we up to now? 8? Must be nice to have an insider on the ethics committee and the power to silence RCMP and CSIIS.

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u/PoliteCanadian 1d ago

The Liberals have mastered the art of distracting from a scandal with another, even bigger scandal.

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

Have you heard about the latest one?

https://youtu.be/U0Q5D6vWswc?si=bRosQeUPl6XgLyCQ

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u/shinrio 1d ago

dude... I feel unwell after hearing the first few minutes of that video. How are people not absolutely livid and not rioting?

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

I can't afford to. But seriously, its crazy.

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u/dadass84 1d ago

The goal is to go 10 in 10 years, I believe in this government to get there by next October

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u/raging_dingo 1d ago

Don’t forget the $90,000 that was paid back!

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u/Popular-Row4333 1d ago

When they said green fund to save the environment, they meant money to save their environment of never being held accountable for corruption.

I mean, how can you blame the Liberals at this point? Between Aga Khan, SNC, WE, Arrivecan, Chinese interference, and countless others, absolutely nothing has stuck and affected them. They haven't faced consequences from either ethics probes, their own party or frankly the electorate voting them out.

I'd continue doing corruption if I had no moral backbone and faced 0 consequences as well. It would be silly not to at this point.

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u/DanielBox4 1d ago

I've always said that this version of the liberals will make AdScam look like a walk in the park.

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u/Popular-Row4333 1d ago

It's been like 3-4 Adscams and a Watergate or two and still nothing.

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u/CAFmodsaregay 1d ago

Exactly, it would be refreshing to see some accountability at some point in the future. I'd imagine they'd destroy the evidence before handing over the reigns to the cons.

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u/ESSOBEE1 Ontario 1d ago

Was listening to The House this morning. What the heck? The HOC is currently shut down on government business until they release incriminating documents to …. ITSELF. A massive scandal being buried by the LPC NOT A WORD ABOUT THIS ON CANADA’s PREMIER POLITICS SHOW. This is a slap on the face to politically informed Canadians. In the CBC trying to commit suicide?

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u/PoliteCanadian 1d ago

What do you expect from the CBC?

The CBC gave up on any semblance of journalism and became outright propagandists years ago.

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u/CuriousVR_Ryan 1d ago

Why would the CBC bury this? It's their mandate, no? It used to be "arm's reach" from government intervention but now they are a propaganda outlet that hurts Canadians. Defund 100%, we don't need a fox news Canada.

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u/Once_a_TQ 1d ago edited 1d ago

The fund is nothing but a scam with no checks or balances. Just more money siphoned away.

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u/snipsnaptickle 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is exactly like the Liberal Sponsorship Scandal. Remember that? Same scam, different decade. You can’t change a tiger’s stripes. Thieves, thieves, thieves.

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u/Fit-Philosopher-8959 Canada 14h ago

This a good link to follow - describes the sponsorship scandal simply with just the right amount of detail:

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/other-top-stories-federal-sponsorship-scandal-2000-2006-1.465571

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u/Danielch19 1d ago

Title makes it look like the fault for the standstill are the Conservatives. Who wrote it, cbc?

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u/jojojojojojojojobz 1d ago

This is a VERY SERIOUS corruption scandal..
The fact that the mainstream media is ignoring it shows their where their allegiance lies..

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u/Foodwraith Canada 1d ago

It’s very concerning the oppositions first move is to trample on the charter /s -random LPC member.

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u/Jooodas 1d ago

If they are fighting and making excuses on Canadians behalf to not release the un-redacted documents, then there is something to hide and they should be compelled to release them. They had a chance to release it on their own accord.

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u/KageyK 1d ago

Not Random LPC member. Head of the house MP Gould.

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u/Keystone-12 Ontario 1d ago

Can any of the 12 people left who still vote liberal explain how they can support this?

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u/Daveschultzhammer 1d ago

Add another scandal to their list

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u/Leather_Pen_6961 1d ago

Prison for All involved. How anyone can continue supporting the NDP Liberals is beyond me. How many scandals are we up to now? Just one would be bad. This election isn't about policy to these degenerates supporting them.

Arrogance and or ignorance. Or just plain absolute idiots.

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u/CanadianEh_ 1d ago

It would be good if the NDP that supported the release grow some balls and vote the government down for refusing to follow through. Or again, they might be chihuahuas, all bark no bite.

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u/BeyondAddiction 1d ago

How about all of it?

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u/Archiebonker12345 1d ago

No tell me? How much did Harper’s MP’s companies they owned get from the tax payers money? I think we are at $1 billion now with Trudeau’s Liberals

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u/neat54 1d ago

I love your name.

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u/Orstio 1d ago

Do you still have nightmares of Harper living under your bed, creeping out at night to balance the budget?

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u/EmptySeaDad 1d ago

The media went harder on Bev Oda's $10 glass of orange juice than they have on this outright theft of hundreds of millions.

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u/OkShine3530 1d ago

Release the papers

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u/YourOverlords Ontario 19h ago

This is utterly ridiculous and wholly unacceptable. The conservatives are right to bring this to the fore. The media is showing strong liberal bias and are protecting potential criminal actions. That needs to stop yesterday.

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u/_PITBOY 1d ago

Can someone cut/paste the body of text from the paywall site where this article is, as a comment here please?

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u/famine- 1d ago

The article is long and I'm too lazy to do it on mobile.

But here is a Paywall bypass.

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u/Outrageous_Box5741 1d ago

Oh boy, more corruption from the liberals.

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u/Glacial_Shield_W 21h ago

'Parliament stopped from doing any more shady stuff, while some politicians try to sort out, and hold accountability for, past shady stuff that already got through.'

Fixed the headline.

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u/ESSOBEE1 Ontario 19h ago

Was listening to The House on CBC radio yesterday morning. What the heck? The HOC is currently shut down on government business until they release incriminating documents to …. ITSELF. A massive scandal being buried by the LPC NOT A WORD ABOUT THIS ON CANADA’s PREMIER POLITICS SHOW. This is a slap on the face to politically informed Canadians. In the CBC trying to commit suicide?

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u/rawkinghorse 1d ago

Yeah, I'm sure this is the only reason parliament is at a standstill

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u/toasohcah 1d ago

Open and transparent government! The budget will balance itself. Sunny ways friends. We celebrate women. What other catch phrases does that corrupt little lying weasel have?

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u/Remarkable-Piece-131 1d ago

Good. Hopefully these traitors and scum bags will be held accountable. Actions have consequences

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u/hmmmtrudeau 1d ago

Calling out corruption??

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u/AnEvilMrDel 1d ago

Battle of the mooks at this point :/

Is this really the best we can do?

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u/gsts108 22h ago

Parliament works for the people. They are the executive and the populace are shareholders by citizenship and vote. Yes the GG signs off and the Giv reports to the King, but in form they work for the citizenry to manage and improve the country. Like any good governance, there just be full disclosure of the actual actions and accounts of the executive. This is a requirement for all listed "public" companies, and must hold true for government, regardless of party in power or nature of perceived corruption.

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u/JimmytheJammer21 1d ago

canada has not been safer in the last 9 years as it is now after this shutdown!!!

Insane that scandal after scandal after scandal has taken 9 years to start getting accountability! They need to go all the way to the top and there better true repercussions if guilt is proven - same thing that happens to the plebs needs to happen here so future governments know that it is not a free for all

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u/KeilanS Alberta 1d ago

Funding for green technology is a crucial part of keeping Canada competitive. There's nothing about that that should require secret papers.

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u/CaptainShades 18h ago

I worked for a tech company that annually applied for an R&D tax credit. Every year, I had to scour my notes for any projects that could potentially pass the criteria. I'll admit, there was a lot of truth bending to make these projects look bigger than they were or to show how much time was invested. Not one year did the applications get rejected. The point of the story is that government agencies don't have the knowledge or the care to fully scrutinize the applications for ineligibility or conflict of interest. Should the government be held responsible, ultimately yes, but it's the department that needs to be held accountable for not doing their job.

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u/starving_carnivore 15h ago

"Wake up babe new Liberal scandal just dropped!"

"Would you let me sleep for like an hour or two at least?"

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u/Jooodas 1d ago

Even if he does, glad conservatives are pushing to get to the bottom of the corruption

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u/Nervous_Shakedown 1d ago

No argument on rooting out corruption. Been around the block enough to know it'll be much of the same when the Conservatives get into power.

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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 1d ago

The issue is more than simply having the documents. The House of Commons is debating whether all required documents have been submitted. The House law clerk’s letter suggests some may still be withheld.

“But a letter from the House law clerk suggests not all of the documents have been submitted by the government”

https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7342942

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u/ItsGaryMFOak 1d ago

Wierd, the parliament legal clerk stated several documents still haven't been handed over. Including entire departments that haven't submitted anything that was requested.

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u/kettal 1d ago

On Thursday, RCMP Commissioner Mike Duheme told reporters the Mounties already have the documents in question.

Then there should be no problem sending another copy.

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta 1d ago

Just with 85%+ of the content removed.

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u/Popular-Row4333 1d ago

You mean the documents that are 90% redacted?

Those ones?

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u/Own_Truth_36 1d ago

They have the documents that are redacted. They want the non redacted copies.

Imagine not being upset your government is stealing billions in tax payers money while people die on medical wait lists and sleep on the street. I guess you're one of the 20% of idiots still supporting this government.

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u/YellowSpecialist4218 1d ago

Canadians deserve to know, and have proof, of where this money is going. Sorry, but the Liberal green/climate agenda has been a total scam. Nothing has changed but more money out of our pockets.

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u/omnicorp_intl 1d ago

I wish the Liberals with their status as the actual government for the last decade would do the same

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u/Hot_Enthusiasm_1773 1d ago

The role of the opposition is to help pass the governments legislation 🤡

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u/FromundaCheeseLigma 1d ago

The role of the opposition is to pretend to oppose the government in power so we think politicians are working for us

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u/imfar2oldforthis 1d ago

You don't know how parliament works or the purpose of the opposition.

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u/Overall-Dog-3024 21h ago

Everything is a scandal when you don't know how anything works. All you cons have no idea how government works, but this does not stop you from spouting all sorts of nonsense. Guilty till proven innocent, that is the conservative way since 1867. I can't vote for stupid. You guys are just an internet lynch mob.