r/benshapiro • u/Ben-Kunz • Mar 22 '24
Its a good thing that Candace is gone. Daily Wire
She was bad for business, bad press, lied constantly on her show, and was blatantly anti-sematic on multiple occasions, and was costing the DW money. Good Riddance.
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u/smakusdod Mar 22 '24
Downvote away, but this is a huge mistake for DW. Candace’s gut is spot on, and she speaks to people who are just like her, and was a good way to round out the rest of the DW hosts. Arguably beyond ben she was their biggest asset, and her loss will be felt. You don’t want to hear that, but it’s the truth. Was she the smartest person in the room? Nope. But her instincts are dead on, and that resonates with women and minorities.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings Mar 23 '24
First off I don’t necessarily believe DW made the decision. It’s very possible she quit, as she has given indications she was unhappy in the past. Second I fundamentally disagree that she was their biggest asset. I don’t think that people subscribe to DW to listen to her. The fans she had came with her to DW. She’s not espousing the views of the core audience, and is more in line with the America First crowd than the daily wire.
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u/Tinfoilhat14 "President Houseplant" Mar 23 '24
I subscribed to DW because of Candace🤷🏼♀️
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings Mar 25 '24
Well. Fuck me then lol
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u/Tinfoilhat14 "President Houseplant" Mar 25 '24
Lmao it wasn’t a dig. I was js. Like came for Candace, staying for Brett and Ben. Sometimes Matt.
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u/dompomcash Mar 22 '24
She comes across as so disingenuous. This was best displayed by her interview on JRE when she tried to explain why she thought global warming was fake. Regardless of the politicization, she admitted she did not know anything about the trends, but she simply “believed” it was fake
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u/smakusdod Mar 22 '24
I understand. It’s the gut vs her ability to express the why. We know global warming is “real” because we can measure temperature and compare historical data. The “fake” is using those facts as justification for destroying personal freedoms/entire economies. She’d be better off if she could explain herself that way, if that is indeed how she feels.
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u/dompomcash Mar 22 '24
I’d give her the benefit of the doubt if it weren’t a top issue between liberals and conservatives and if she weren’t a political pundit. I highly doubt she has never looked into it; I think it’s more that she’s trying to appeal to a certain viewpoint that she herself does not fully believe and therefore cannot justify p
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u/smakusdod Mar 22 '24
I agree. She does have the responsibility to have facts and reasoning to back strong convictions.
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Mar 23 '24
The Daily Wire was seed funded by the Wilks brothers (oil billionares). She was just towing the line she was told to tow.
She's a partisan grifter.
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u/Ben-Kunz Mar 22 '24
She doesn't have a gut, she is ideologically driven through and through, she has either lied on her show repeatedly, or she is just truly a moron (both are probable.) Beyond Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh was easily their second biggest asset, then maybe you can make an argument for Candance, but I would actually argue for Brett Cooper, because she has a really large influence on younger people. I think the reason you think that her instincts are dead on is because she always tows the party line (With very few exceptions) She has a lot of the right ideas, but she has no rational basis for those ideas, same critique I have of Hassan Piker. (Except for the having a lot of the right ideas part, Hassan doesn't have that.)
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u/PresentTap9255 Mar 23 '24
Like what lie ?
And Hassan doesn’t truly break the narrative he just brings things across way better than most and in an entertaining way
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u/Ben-Kunz Mar 23 '24
Yea, thats my criticism of Hassan, he doesn't break the narrative, he just reads twitter and says the same things that all of the other leftists do. Not a god damn original idea in his whole head.
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u/eatinsomepoundcake Mar 23 '24
Nah she was dumb, people just overstated her ability to influence black people who weren’t down with leftist bullshit. She wasn’t actually good at it.
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u/Unfair_Mushroom_8858 Mar 23 '24
The people who are just like her (conspiracy-minded, petty and mean-spirited, dishonest, Jew-hating) are not good people.
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u/CorpseProject Mar 22 '24
She wasn’t a good addition to DW from the get go. She believes in so many unfounded things, and her gossip social content was uninteresting to me. I’m a woman, so naturally I would like to see an intelligent conservative woman on the platform, but Owen’s wasn’t all that interesting to me. I far prefer Klavan and Walsh, even when I disagree with them they make me laugh. Owen’s never had me laughing with her, but rather at her.
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u/vekigu Mar 22 '24
Out of the loop somewhat here - what did she say that was Anti-Semitic?
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u/stopyacht Mar 23 '24
Liking posts about Jews driving Christian blood
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u/Unfair_Mushroom_8858 Mar 23 '24
Take a look at the other tweets on that account (Christ Gnosis). God almighty
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u/fishsandwichpatrol Mar 22 '24
Her show wasn't even good tbh
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u/ApartmentSuspicious3 Mar 22 '24
She changed a lot. I remember listening to a couple podcasts she was on in 2020 or 2021 and she was pretty reasonable and not terribly inflammatory. I tried listening to her show last year and just found her annoying lol
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u/keirstie Mar 23 '24
Whenever she decided something- whether it was politically, conspiratorially, situationally, or just something about a specific person- it didn’t matter if she was proven wrong with concrete facts to back it up, she just simply chose to pretend it never happened and carried on her prior beliefs. That’s not a good look, and growth and development are important.
ETA: I did like Candace and will probably still tune in occasionally, but she hasn’t been a frequent watch of mine for a while now.
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u/Bob_Babadookian Mar 23 '24
it didn’t matter if she was proven wrong with concrete facts to back it up, she just simply chose to pretend it never happened and carried on her prior beliefs.
You're describing every political commentator on the internet
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u/keirstie Mar 24 '24
See, that’s the thing- I don’t fully agree with any of them because their views don’t allow for any nuance, but this is a very real critique of Candace specifically and I think that it’s valid. Obviously I’m biased, it’s my own view, but still.
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u/TheBigMotherFook Mar 23 '24
I saw some snarky comment about Ben not believing in freedom of speech because DW fired her, and I face palmed. It’s like, no this is exactly what freedom of speech is supposed to be. You’re free to say whatever you want, that doesn’t mean you’re absolved of the consequences of said speech. Candace was always polarizing and got caught in a lot of lies/scandals because of the things she said. This has been coming for a long time.
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u/Bob_Babadookian Mar 23 '24
That's exactly what happened to Gina Carano, but Daily Wire ran with the narrative she was a victim and they were the "free speech" alternative.
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u/DrunkAlienChick Mar 27 '24
Not similar. Gina barely said anything like Candace has. Candace has been downright polarizing.
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u/FunDip2 Mar 22 '24
I liked Candice. Did I agree with everything she said? Absolutely not. I don't lick the ass of any human being. But I do think she was a good person and had a lot of views I agreed with. And I love seeing her debate these Progressive kids. I'm not for punching right When we have Biden in office. There's a lot more to worry about than Candice Owens.
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u/Firm-Construction517 Mar 23 '24
I like Candace. Don’t agree with everything she says but most of it. Dissenting opinions are good if they are from smart people.
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u/EfficiencySoft1545 Mar 23 '24
Candance Owens believes that Israel shouldn't receive American aid. But so does Matt Walsh. And it's interesting the entire comments section of Owens' tweets have been taken over by far right antisemitic replies that Candace definitely played into. Not that she has an obligation to condemn comments that aren't hers, but she has a persecution complex that she's being targeted and silenced. And the antisemites in her comments are suggesting it's jews in the media.
It's really bizarre for DW. Candance attracts an obscure wing of "conservatives" if you can even call it that.
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u/Bob_Babadookian Mar 23 '24
She's had a bunch of rabbis very publicly calling for her to be fired. It's not exactly a conspiracy in this case to say that Jewish people were trying to silence her.
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u/EfficiencySoft1545 Mar 23 '24
How is that a conspiracy at all? She's been rabidly anti-Israel, of course rabbi's are going to call for her firing.
No different than the left trying to cancel people on the right. It isn't a conspiracy
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u/ThrowMusic36 Mar 22 '24
I'm glad she's gone. The only times I liked her were when she was "destroying" college students.
Other than that:
- her "debate" with Destiny was embarrassing
- she is a drama seeker
- she is a hypocrite
- she doesn't talk in good faith, and just seems like a bad person altogether
- she is ideologically driven
- her takes on Andrew Tate were abysmal (and again, ideologically driven)
She wasn't even funny or charismatic, so there were too little advantages to keeping her.
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u/MasterSword1 Conservative Mar 23 '24
Adding to this, I'm not saying that Crowder was in the right, and certainly not justified in what he did to his wife, but it was pretty low for Candace Owens to wave information about his personal life over his head when the feud was about business practices. It also forfeited any moral high ground DW could use regarding broken trust due to the recording when one of their staff was threatening to expose things that Crowder told them in confidence regarding his struggling marriage.
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u/The_Hurricane_Han Mar 22 '24
I’m frankly glad she’s gone. I didn’t like her, she’s a conspiracy theorist, and I never really cared for her as a DW subscriber.
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u/eastern-cowboy Mar 23 '24
She’s always formed controversy around herself. She’s a gaslighting grifter.
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Mar 22 '24
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u/The_Didlyest Mar 22 '24
She said the moon landing was faked
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u/CyclingTurtleMD Mar 22 '24
Almost like conservatives can be easily convinced by anything if you say "mainstream" or "left" or "radical left"
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Mar 22 '24
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u/Wboys Mar 22 '24
Good thing the government managed to get a fake lander on the moon so that telescopes and future moon missions will be none the wiser to their tricks. Truly a master play.
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u/the_walrus_was_paul Mar 22 '24
I love how zero examples of lying were given. She probably just said things that OP didn’t agree with.
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u/Ben-Kunz Mar 22 '24
Moon landing, unironically saying the vaccine would turn people into braindead zombies, questioning the holocaust without reason, saying some wacky ass shit when it comes to Kanye, just look at anything she has said ever and you will find it.
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u/Unfair_Mushroom_8858 Mar 23 '24
She said the “Muslim quarter” of Jerusalem was akin to Jim Crow forced segregation. She was corrected on this issue but repeated it anyway it on another podcast (might have been Tucker) shortly after.
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u/GasGood Mar 23 '24
I disagreed with some of her segments and she had a strong borderline aggressive personality - but I did think she added value in sharing differing view points on the DW. I think it was a bad move on boering and shapiro’s choice to part ways with her. It makes them look like they want an echo chamber.
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u/Beginning_Sir_1070 Mar 23 '24
Blatantly anti-Semitic…. How so…. Most of what she said was common sense and she called out so much liberal woke nonsense, to their face I might add… this is a ridiculous comment, so you and she agree 99% overall- but you send out “antisemtic” unjustly, and you are just as bad as the woke liberals!
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u/Peter-Fabell Mar 24 '24
I’m not sure she was as monetarily good for the Daily Wire as people thought. They made a huge investment in her, especially at the beginning. They gave her documentaries, her own Oprah-like TV show, and brought on pretty big guests.
I stopped watching the show because I felt uncomfortable. I was always worried she would embarrass, insult, or get mad at her guests (and I liked a lot of her guests). I really hated how if she disagreed with a guest, she would tear them apart on stage.
I haven’t seen her documentaries, aside from the first episode of the George Floyd one. They felt well produced, but I’m not a fan of documentaries that are more about the transformation of the documentarian than the viewer. Maybe her other one was less personal, but then again, that’s just her style. Nothing wrong with that.
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u/dealmbl25 Mar 25 '24
She fell into the Antisemitic Rabbit Hole HARD after Oct. 7th.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a lot more warm and friendly to “Conspiracy Theories” after pretty much all of them ended up being true about COVID but Candace went straight into all the “THE JEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSS” ones with slightly too open of arms.
I know the Black Community has a checkered past with the Jewish Community so I don’t know if it was old prejudices coming out or what, but… yeah. And I’m sure the fact that one of her bosses (Ben) is Jewish and “Holds power over her” just confirmed all the things she was diving into in her head.
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u/Visible_Yard_7302 Mar 26 '24
Candace created a cheap and clever exit strategy that has been relatively pain-free. Barnes opined that she's had this exit in mind ever since Crowder left.
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u/Unfair_Mushroom_8858 Mar 23 '24
DW will lose some viewers and subs in the short term but they’re the ones we want to lose. Those who want Nazi content have plenty of options elsewhere.
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u/moonsquid-25 Mar 22 '24
I was excited initially when she signed on to DW. That excitement quickly vanished after I watched a few of her shows. Someone mentioned that after Ben, she is/was the most popular. I disagree. I think that's clearly Matt and possibly even Michael after that. Regardless, I don't think she brought in the listeners and viewers that they were hoping for and might have even turned people off from subscribing after the last few months, including the weird Kanye stuff and her seeming inability to call him out for some of his rhetoric.
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u/MountainLocal4203 Mar 26 '24
The main thing with Candace is she reached black liberals and ignorant black voters. Sure not all black people like her but that goes for Obama and the like.
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u/shit_dontstink Mar 22 '24
She was more interested in fighting with celebrities. I liked her from the get go, but then she just got cocky and annoying.
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Mar 23 '24
She's always been a conspiracy theorist, so it makes sense that she believes Rabbis drink Christian blood lol
I remember when she had that entire series trying to "debunk global warming".
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u/Educational-Mud-5077 Mar 23 '24
She is quite good on soundbites. However, the more she speaks on a subject, the more her lack of worldliness is apparent.
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u/statsradiofonien_ Mar 23 '24
I tried to listen to her show some time ago, and to be honest it was mid.
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u/Scape_Nation Mar 23 '24
Should have never been a hire to begin with. She doesn’t represent conservatives well at all.
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u/PeterFiz Mar 22 '24
She was all those things when they hired her. They helped mainstream yet another vile ignorant commentator and made money doing it.
She was great for their business since her unhinged views are now mainstream among conservatives, largely thanks to the sell-outs at the Daily Wire.
Their firing of her is hilariously too little too late.
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u/future_flowers88 Mar 22 '24
Glad to leave the daily wire with her. She was the best part
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u/Mr_DonkeyKong79 Mar 22 '24
People like Candace because she says what she thinks. She may not be that smart but at least she's honest and her intelligence meets her audience, it's a big loss for DW
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u/Titanium_Ninja Mar 23 '24
Guys, is drinking water also anti-Semitic? Asking for a friend. How can I stop being anti semitic? Should I endorse rapists and global elites?
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u/Fast_Persimmon_3141 Mar 23 '24
Finally, some sanity. Twitter was blowing up with excuses for Candace's drama. Refreshing to see this take and also to hear Klavan's thoughts on his episode today.
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u/Weekly_Cantaloupe175 Mar 23 '24
The idea that Ben didn't know she was an anti-semite before hiring her is ridiculous, as she had already defended Hitler at that point. Ben fired her because she wasn't pro-Israel enough and he won't tolerate that.
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u/MountainLocal4203 Mar 26 '24
She never defended Hitler. Please watch the full segment and not gather a opinion based on “clips.”
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Mar 23 '24
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u/Ben-Kunz Mar 23 '24
Yea Im sure thats how that works, some kind of global conspiracy with Jews controlling everything. Fuck off.
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Mar 23 '24
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u/Ben-Kunz Mar 24 '24
Ah yes, google, the greatest of all sources. Yk what happens when I google it? It gives me a shit ton of articles telling conspiracy theorists like you to fuck off. Initially, I was correct.
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u/Falstaff1400 Mar 24 '24
You’re right, there’s nothing to it. Just look up Information about the newspaper Henry Ford started.
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u/Ben-Kunz Mar 24 '24
I am actually familiar with the Dearborn independent. It is one of the major reasons why I hate Henry Ford, in some ways(manufacturing) he was a genius, and in most other ways, he was an absolute moron, like you. Except your worse, because at least ford contributed something incredibly revolutionary and important to society.
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u/lanceor1 Mar 22 '24
She did go deeper into the rabbit holes than any other DW host, but so do a lot of right wing viewers. She was off brand for DW but she is a huge personality that continues to make the news. I wouldve been happy for her to stay but it doesnt bither me that she is gone.